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#1 pins_basic
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What's the big deal? Remedy has been working on Alan Wake for how long now? There last game was Max Payne 2 back in 03 and they haven't released any games since. How long since GTA:SA? Halo 3 took 3 years and Fable is now going on to 4 years. So we are talking about 2010 at the earliest which would the same as SNES (US) to N64, N64 to GC and GC to Wii. It would also be the same as PS1 to PS2 and would have been the same as PS2 to PS3 if it wasn't for Blu-Ray.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

This is still a rumour of course, but according to the story gamespot is running, people seem to be speculating that microsoft plan to announce at CES that the 360 will be licensed to other companies. While they deny that they're releasing a 360 with built-in HD-DVD drive, licensing the 360 to other companies would pretty much guarantee Toshiba bringing out an HD-DVD 360 as soon as they possibly can.

So; licensing? Makes the console much cheaper to produce and sell, very bad news for Sony as their biggest rivals step into the gaming market which they've managed to keep them out of until now. Downsides? Well... can we expect consoles to basically become PCs with reiterations releasing every year if more than one company is making them?

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I'm not sure. I don't remember this ever taking place with previous gaming hardware developers. Looking at the unchanging side of things, this doesn't affect current 360 owners in any way; This could pose as an oppertunity for MSFT tap into the hardcore electronics enthusiast, bringing in potentially new gamers.

Given Toshibas track record of reliable electronics, maybe this could be the end of the TRL while taking pressure off of MSFT's shoulders.

This seems likely with New Line Cinema and Warner Bros. going Blu-ray exclusive, this seems like it could be a big counter on Toshibas part.

Now that I think about it, I can't seem any harm done. At best, console gaming would become even more like PC gaming in a sense that, these X360's are able to play games but that may not be sole reason your buying into it. At worse, they won't sell any and the idea will flop but 'regular' 360 sales will go unaffected. For MSFT, it seems like a win/win.

I still think it would work like a DVD player. Some people trust certain brands, you want a Samsung or Panapsonic? Well... here you go. You want extra features? Well... here you go. You want the cheapest available cause all you want to do is play the games? Well... here you go. It could even help in Japan with Japanese companies selling their version.
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When you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense business-wise. Microsoft lose money whenever they sell a 360. And they have to pay other companies for all of the componants anyway. It makes sense to allow a company like Toshiba which can produce the 360 and make profit on it to manufacture it instead, allowing microsoft to just stick to stuff like Live and games where the actual money-making comes in.

So long as they control which companies produce it and what they do with it; nobody wants a Panasonic Xbox, a Toshiba Xbox, a Thomson Xbox.... all of which are different and dont work together do well.

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And they could take the manufacturing cost and use it to make more games. They lost 4B last gen (correct?) imagine if they would be able to spend those 4B on game development. Or even buying developers, 4B would have bought them alot of tallent. Now, how about Nintendo and Sony, would they do the same? If they do, we could see a 360/PS3/Wii combo.
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[QUOTE="lordxymor"]

Well, they would still have the OS lock in the 3rd party manufactured 360s in order for them to play 360 games. They long know making hardware isn't as profitable as making software.

Interesting rumor, where did you heard it?

Ninja-Vox

It's on the gamespot front-page in the article about the rumoured 360 Ultimate. Basically is says that microsoft deny they have any plans to make a new 360 SKU with HD-DVD, and then goes on to quote different publications which speculate an announcement at CES that the 360 is planned to be licensed to other companies.

I still think it would be weird if Sony was to license it.
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[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="Arsuz"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

I guess you could look to the history of licensed consoles to see what could happen.

I know for sure the 3DO was produced by multiple firms and I never heard too many horror stories about the system itself, it's horror stories all came from the price and the software.

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You can think how confusing this would get, especially if that company wanted to use more powerful hardware....what about the developers? Will all of their games work on these licensed consoles? I see many potential problems.

All these problem are quite easily overcome. All companies that hold the license must hold to certain regulations stipulated by microsoft. They would only have freedome to alter things that in no way inhibit the working of the console with all games. They basiacally need to use the xenon for example. The can however use a totally different DVD-Drive, or maybe an HD-DVD or even blu-ray. Differente case maybe? Why not? A different controller? Sure.

All microsoft has to do is slight quality assurance. This would be a dream come true!

They probably wouldn't be allowed to use differnt controllers. It's smart cause they usually lose money on the hardware anyways and make their money on software sales. So now they have the money from the software sales along with royalties from the hardware. Then they don't have to worry some much about the hardware cause the companies would be running their own quality control and stepping on each others toes trying to get the prices lower than everyone else.

*EDIT* They might be the ones supplying all the controllers which they would make a killing off of.

All that is assuming that their versions become popular to begin with.

I don't think ti will matter. It would be like a DVD player (in this case a Game Player) you go to best buy and there are a bunch of them and you choose which one you want though they all do for the most part the samething. People could now chose the lowest price 360 or go ahead and buy the Toshiba for it's name or Samsung what ever.
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this will effectively make consoles into PC's. whats the difference at this point? you start with a base package and add on whatever the manufacturer wants. i think this will ruin console gaming, but perphaps this was MS plan all along. maybe they didnt care how much money they lost to establish an install base, they knew if they licensed out their console when no one else did they would win. how can sony and the wii compete if this happens? all consoles will become the same thing, PC's.cliff122316
I don't see how it would hurt consoles. It would help with prices and that's just about it. It would still still be a 360 and play all the 360 games, so who cares if it say's Microsoft or Toshiba on the box?
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

I guess you could look to the history of licensed consoles to see what could happen.

I know for sure the 3DO was produced by multiple firms and I never heard too many horror stories about the system itself, it's horror stories all came from the price and the software.

Arsuz

You can think how confusing this would get, especially if that company wanted to use more powerful hardware....what about the developers? Will all of their games work on these licensed consoles? I see many potential problems.

All these problem are quite easily overcome. All companies that hold the license must hold to certain regulations stipulated by microsoft. They would only have freedome to alter things that in no way inhibit the working of the console with all games. They basiacally need to use the xenon for example. The can however use a totally different DVD-Drive, or maybe an HD-DVD or even blu-ray. Differente case maybe? Why not? A different controller? Sure.

All microsoft has to do is slight quality assurance. This would be a dream come true!

They probably wouldn't be allowed to use differnt controllers. It's smart cause they usually lose money on the hardware anyways and make their money on software sales. So now they have the money from the software sales along with royalties from the hardware. Then they don't have to worry some much about the hardware cause the companies would be running their own quality control and stepping on each others toes trying to get the prices lower than everyone else.

*EDIT* They might be the ones supplying all the controllers which they would make a killing off of.

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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

I guess you could look to the history of licensed consoles to see what could happen.

I know for sure the 3DO was produced by multiple firms and I never heard too many horror stories about the system itself, it's horror stories all came from the price and the software.

dream431ca

You can think how confusing this would get, especially if that company wanted to use more powerful hardware....what about the developers? Will all of their games work on these licensed consoles? I see many potential problems.

There would probably be set specs for developers so all games would look the same and play the same for the most part. More powerful hardware would just speed up load times and maybe help with frame rates which could be nice.

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It would be intresting. You go to best buy and there is a display of like 10 360's :lol: Sony should license it and make a PS3/360 combo :lol:
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Fable took forever to be released and it was released in 04 and Fable 2 is now finally being released this year (if it doesn't get delayed) four years later. If they have started developing a game for next-gen, than, so what?