layne staley

maynard

eddie vedda

bruce dickenson

dood are you still talking? you got roasted just keep it moving. if you want to know about a theory in particular then fire away otherwise you have failed to bring up anything worth responding to, just more of the same.

the bottom line is this. you have your theory, and i have mine. and when you realize that neither is better or more right than the other then maybe you can start to hear more of the other side, that was around the same time i started to learn alot more. now i cant even take people like you seriously anymore.

x_Martyr_x

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

awesome, not only did you fail in properlly adressing any of the points i came up with,you also failed in coming up with any evidence that i should take you seriously. i don't blame you though, you have so little to work with. how funny is it that you blame the internet, if it were up to people like you we would only get our information from one source. nevermind that, its not like any of what you said was logical.x_Martyr_x

which points were those? all i heard was you complaining about the education system being a system of control. now, there is certainly merit in that stance and i understand if youre reading chomsky where you probably got it from. im a big fan of the chom, even if i disagree with him a fair bit. now, again- which points did you raise? "read the economic hitman" isn't a point, and your contention that the economic crisis is a nefarious plot planned by persons unknown is nonsense. youre making the claims therefore you have to provide the evidence.

also, im a university student and i think zeitgeist is disinfomation peddled to lure people from finding out the real truth. say goodbye to your little stereotype. x_Martyr_x

oh yeah. and what is "the real truth". lol. you sound like every other conspiracy theorist ive ever had the misfortune to encounter. good to know youre not a zeitgeist CT though, then again neither is alex jones

1. there is not alot i can learn from you, ive been where you are and if i brought myself to your level knowledge wise i would have to unlearn years of additional research.x_Martyr_x

oh yeah, sure you have. which is why you swallow books like the economic hitman verbatim. erroneous knowledge isnt worth what you seem to think it is. parroting popular economic conspiracy theories does not illustrate a learned mind, it merely shows gullibility and a possible stunted development of your brain.

2. you must be getting unsure of yourself, because you have resorted to trying to label me as "jealous". what do i have to be jealous of? you? you must think pretty highly of yourself. the only emotion i feel is anger, because its because of people like you that things will not only never get better, but progressively worse.x_Martyr_x

no, of course im not saying youre jealous of me, duh. just jealous of people that get through life with a proper, developed sense of the world. you know, rather than a paranoid conspiratorial one that has only the loosest relationship to reality. i also assumed (wrongly) that you didn't attend school, because most conspiracy nuts dropped out in favour of youtube, prison planet et al.

3. i really only came into this thread so some people can learn something they might not have known, unlike you who attacked me personally to feed your bloated ego. let me tell you a secret : people like you are a dime a dozen and i've heard your side of the story a million times. at least this way some people can hear some views they would not normally get to hear. x_Martyr_x

right. so propogating lies and distortions is a service to the people of gamespot? lol. give me a break. i too am providing a service- the mockery of the conspiracy theorists. cant have your ignorant tripe confusing the under-informed. wherever people like you raise your stupid ideas, there will be people like me to call you stupid. you reap what you sow.

ps. your whole little cut and paste job about the criticism of Perkin's book is meaningless. he also recieved threats on his life, so it would not suprize me if people out there disagreed with him. but since you seem to think i got my views from one book, i got a few more for you, written by Noam Chomsky. x_Martyr_x

name dropping wont get you anywhere. i was reading chomsky whilst you were still in nappies. but i will retract my earlier statements that you get all your info from the web. normally, people espousing the kind of nonsense you are dont read very widely, or at least their topics of interest are rather narrow. in that, i apologise for my earlier judgement. its fairly depressing though that you HAVE read widely and still maintain a conspiracy mindset. here i was thinking that education provided rational world views, rather than nonsense :

re perkins, i was only trying to say that he's considered a crackpot conspiracy theorist, and hardly someone i would resource when arguing about economics. as i pointed out, such is the bread and butter of the conspiracy theorist.

pss. using complex words unecessarily does not make you sound smart; it just sounds like jargon. especially since your posting lacks any real substance.

x_Martyr_x

i type how i type. if there were words too complex for you i apologise, but i certainly didnt go out of my way to use any. i merely take prose seriously, that's all. if you have any particular words you wish to draw my attention to, i would honestly like to know which ones you found unnecessary?

There is a perfect example of an individual that knows nothing yet will turn nasty and bitter in order to defend his blind following of something he does't understand. people like this will use the excuse that we need a degree in economics, (which is an education system set up following certain guidelines), in order to understand how the world works.x_Martyr_x

its amazing how many uneducated "internet detectives" feel they know more than all the relevant experts in fields they remain quite ignorant in. whether its economics, structural engineering, climate science etc- they read some random bollocks from a single author or blog and suddenly they know more than people who have spent their lives studying the field. the arrogance they display is quite incredible.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

im sorry, but this "fool" knows more than you will ever know, and i can understand how this would bother you some. most of these stuck up brats think because they had to take out a massive education loan that they are some sort of intellect who we all have to rely on in order to understand things. the ironic thing is, most of you who took that loan, (or had rich parents pay your way) so you could learn how to make a corrupt system seem legit. i got news for you; third world citizens who carry jugs of water on their head know more about world politics than you.x_Martyr_x

luckily for me im an australian, so we don't need to pay off massive loan, because we realise that a publicly-funded education is a sound investment in our country's future. as someone above me said, you just sound jealous coz you couldn't afford to go to school, and instead of a well-rounded education i have no doubt that you're educated by films like zeitgeist, random authors with whom you give unwarranted faith in (such as john perkins) whilst ignoring the real evidence and argument concerning relevant issues.

now im going to do you a favour, and tell you a book to read : The Confessions of an Economic Hitman. go see what one man who worked for the US government had to say about the "free market", straight from the horses mouth. i know most of you hate this part, having to actually do research, coming from somewhere else besides a lying institution that turns you into a corporate slave.x_Martyr_x

yes, ive read excerpts from the book, which is only ever peddled by other conspiracy theorist sheep like yourself. unsubstantiated claims does not equal evidence, but i love how your ilk clings so tightly to nonsense and fantasy because your confirmation bias won't let you do otherwise.

[quote=wikipedia"]

Columnist Sebastian Mallaby of the Washington Post reacted sharply to Perkins' book: "This man is a frothing conspiracy theorist, a vainglorious peddler of nonsense, and yet his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, is a runaway bestseller." Mallaby, who spent 13 years writing for the London Economist and wrote a critically well-received biography of World Bank chief James Wolfensohn, holds that Perkins' conception of international finance is "largely a dream" and that his "basic contentions are flat wrong."For instance he points out that Indonesia reduced its infant mortality and illiteracy rates by two-thirds after economists persuaded its leaders to borrow money in 1970 (in defense of Perkins, Mallaby is mistaking correlation for causation). He also disputes Perkins' claim that 51 of the top 100 world economies belong to companies. A value-added comparison done by the UN, he says, shows the number to be 29.

as i have posted already, you can spot the conspiracy theorist simply by watching tell you that to understand an issue (such as global economics) all you need to do is read this one book and everything will be clear. serious LOL. some people understand that the world is a complicated place, and others (normally those that never made it to university) feel that youtube and prisonplanet is a substitute for real, academic endeavour. then they jealousy defend their ignorance as we have just seen martyr just do.

i blame the internet, it makes some of these people feel they are experts in a myriad of chosen fields. when you're sick, do you go to a doctor or to the guy that watches medical shows on the discovery channel? lol.

its not about money, they print the money out of thin air. the US dollar is being destroyed on purpose. its about wanting a one world government, and whatever measures that would be needed to be taken in order to control us.x_Martyr_x

its this kind of ignorant nonsense that im talking about. go get a degree in economics you fool.

you can normally spot a conspiracy theory by just looking at how simplistically they represent the world. wikipedia says it better:

Wikipedia: conspiracy theory guide

3. Reduces morally complex social phenomena to simple, immoral actions;Impersonal, institutional processes, especially errors and oversights, interpreted as malign, consciously intended and designed by immoral individuals.

4. Personifies complex social phenomena as powerful individual conspirators;Related to (3) but distinct from it, deduces the existence of powerful individual conspirators from the 'impossibility' that a chain of events lacked direction by a person.

2. Again, another good point. Although, the Fed isn't doing a great job moderating inflation right now. They're too busy treating the symptoms instead of curing the disease. They're pulling money out of thin air. Money we don't have. That makes inflation worse.

LikeHaterade

well, the fed's role is also to act as a lender of last resort. the fed really isn't doing anything, those decisions are made by congress. all money comes out of thin air ;) there's nothing wrong with that, as long as they don't go all mugabe on the economy! there's also nothing wrong with moderate inflation (it creates risk and spurs investment) but at the moment i think inflation is the least of the US' (and world's!) worries :)

i hope ive helped a bit. there's nothing wrong with being skeptical of authority or power structures in society, just make sure you apply the same skepticism to the other side of the argument as well.

1. From what I understood and from my own research, the Federal Reserve isn't even part of the government. When you say governor, I'm assuming you're talking about the spokeperson for the fed? Because the bankers that control it, print it and regulate it to other banks and the government are unelected. The reason why I say it's shady is because all their meetings are behind closed doors which even Congressmen and women will testify to.LikeHaterade

look, i don't have the time to go into this over and over with you guys that choose not to accept obvious fact. its a federal agency, look it up ffs. its audited by congress. the governor DOES control the fed. the private banks that make up the fed have absolutely no say over anything the fed does. of course they are unelected- do you elect the chairmen of the dept of infrastructure? dept of defence? any other government agency? of course you don't. the meetings might be behind closed doors, but everything the fed does is overseen by congress (as is mandated in your constitution). which private entities do you know of that pay all their interest back to the treasury (minus expenses) each year?

2. I would trust elected officials over private, unelected bankers any day of the week. My opinion anyway.LikeHaterade

terrible idea. all you have is a president (or congress) keeping interest rates low to suit their terms, whilst then dumping massive inflation on those next elected.

almost every single country on the planet has a central bank, which is a federal agency of the government, but independent from it. their role is to maintain adequate growth and tinker with interest rates to moderate inflation.

3. I was referring to the NAFTA super-highway that was proposed. Estimated 50 billion dollars to build from the border of Mexico all the way to Canada. I've read some things that credible sources denying it, but the fact that there was proposed spending for it made the existence of the concept true.LikeHaterade

that is hardly evidence of a one-world government.

4.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g"A world where the rule of law governs the conduct of nations." That quote pertaining to more of an international perspective and also coincides with the UN. I could see how some conspiracy theorists could interpret that into some form of world government.

LikeHaterade

sorry at work and cant view youtube, but all that quote meansis that nations should be governed by a rule of law, which many already are in the way of treaties and UN mandates. the concept of a one-world government is so ludicrously implausible im amazed that people swallow it. imagine russia or china or europe bowing down to a government coming from inside the US' secret government elite! LOL.

I never said I believed in the conspiracy theory. Just using this as an example to display circumstantial evidence. Out of curiosity, which part isn't true?LikeHaterade

oops, sorry then. please accept my apology!

1. the fact that the Federal Reserve is a shady, private organization run by international bankers(unelected officials)

the federal reserve is a federal agency, with the governor appointed by the president, and all the banks that make up part of the federal reserve are american, foreign interest in the fed is banned.

2. that has complete control of the US government's money supply

congress controls the money supply thru its budgetary measures, the fed is an independent authority that dictates monetart policy (interest rates). the reason the fed is independent is because we certainly couldn't trust a government to manage interest rates!

3. NAFTA

free trade is hardly the boogieman, even if the agreements arent always to everyone's liking. they certainly have nothing to do with a new world order, anymore than any other trade agreement between nations.

4. speeches given about New World Order from prominant members of the government

there isn't a single speech about the NWO from any government member of any note. yes, sometimes various politicians use that phrase (which the CTs just love!) but they're not talking about a plan for a socialist world governmen.

5. the circumstantial evidence is there.

no, it really isn't. it is merely quote-mining, lies and distortions from the extreme right trying to connect dots that have nothing to do with each other.

Theokhoth

Mind explaining why you bumped a month-old topic just to insult people?

i was googling info on the fluroride conspiracy theories and was surprised to see gamespot returned. so i had a read and felt the need to insult the new brand of idiots that seem to be plaguing every internet board in existence with their ignorant tripe.

Its foolish to think the world has no conspiracies, clearly not all are true but there are some which are most likely true.EVOLV3

of course, but those partiulcar conspiracies arent 911, NWO, federal reserve, fluoride, or any of the other idiotic notions raised in this thread. the internet age has given every 14 year old with a computer the idea that they're relevant experts in a myriad of fields so they feel justified in believing whatever load of BS comes their way. luckily (for them) some will grow out of it as they get older, but there is a small percentage that never do and that's just sad.