garbage...find a better rapper to talk/spam the board with threas about.fat_rob

how was it garbage? ja stepped it up. i bet u didnt even listen

"when i look in the mirror all i see is a replica of what used to be, and im im feelin like i should step it up, huh as if water wasnt wet enuff, its murda still, hip hop aint dead enuff. im here to fill any shoe that done slipped off put my foot down tell these nigguz to step off. if jiggas lebron james of these playoffs, then im chris paul, i assist em all, its my stomping ground now, im too close to call, and anybody wanna hate im ya poster boy"

thats some sick sh*t imo. better than a lot of the rappers out these days.

theres a 2nd verse on the version thats on his myspace

www.myspace.com/jarule

I'll answer the rest of your post some other time, but as for flow, I defer to one of the best rappers (flow wise) in the industry...tonedeff...F.N.S (Flow Notation System)

fat_rob

how did i know youd bring this site up... LOL. this is just what a certain person/s think is the ideal flow. i can make up one of these sites too, and then say 'this is how flow is measured and it should be done like this in order to have a perfect flow'. lol, its ridiculous. rapping was formed in the streets, there is no one reference that is the god of all references that determines what is, and what isnt. i mean damn, if youre going by things like this to tell you what to think then we might as well stop this little debate. There are people out there that like to break this down into a science and say "oh yeh, this is how it should be, the best flow is when it matches the kick and the snare at this time, and yeah every fourth bar is a 'power line'." blah blah blah. which is cool, im not dissing them for that, cos thats how they personally would like to rate a rapper or it just does something for them..who knows. but cmon man...really.

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"Ja's lack of lyricism, weak content, awful flow, wanna be melodic voice, and pointless (and repetitive) song messages clash with his decent hook writing ability."

are you telling me this is objective? how is ja, or anyone for that matter, bad or good objectively? i really dont see how this doesn't stem right back to subjectivity. to say someone is bad, you must be basing that statement on something right? you cant have an objective viewpoint unless you specify a certain standard. and youre acting like there actually is a universal standard that rappers are measured by which then consequently determines them as 'good', 'average' or 'bad' etc. The statement Ja is wack is not true, nor is it false because you havnt given a specification as to what he is wack at. to say ja is wack as a rapper is like saying van gough is wack as an artist (and by no means am i saying ja is the equivalent of van gough musically lol). van gough is not terrible as an artist. if you wanted to make that argument, youd have to say it like this - 'van gough is terrible at a certain form of art.' nothing has meaning until you give it meaning. ja is wack. based on what? even if you are basing it on something, does that make it true? for that basis yes, but as soon as you apply a different basis your argument goes out the window. 'Ja has weak content'. What constitutes good content? Do you mean Jas content isn't very diverse? Then yes that would be true, but that is totally different to saying he has weak content. It is not set in stone, it is not a fact that good content is measured by its diversity or creativity or whatever the case may be. Do you see where im going with this?

fat_rob

As far as the van gough argument, painting and visual arts have very defined principals...if I wanted to say van gough was a good or bad artist, I would have VERY LITTLE problem doing so if I was well versed in the pricipals of visual art (which I am not).

but see, saying content is weak based on intelligence is applying a basis. without that basis of intelligence, saying a rappers content is weak full stop, could mean a number of things. saying the topics rappers discuss are unintelligent, is traced right back to your own intelligence. the average person in the hood might think someone like nas is smart, but someone who is fully educated might think hes stupid. you could then make that argument for everyone, cos there will always be someone who is smarter than you in certain aspects. would that make you stupid or 'weak', simply because there are people who are much more intelligent than you? is it right to say the things rappers talk about are 'weak' then? maybe for someone who is fully educated, but then this judgement comes right back to the individual person and how they were brought up etc. things will differ from person to person. subjectivity. who is right? simply saying ja is wack doesnt cut it, its such a loose term and really doesnt mean anything. id like to see you 'measure' flow as well, and 'measure' the impact lyrics can have on someone while youre at it.

"Ja's lack of lyricism, weak content, awful flow, wanna be melodic voice, and pointless (and repetitive) song messages clash with his decent hook writing ability."

are you telling me this is objective? how is ja, or anyone for that matter, bad or good objectively? i really dont see how this doesn't stem right back to subjectivity. to say someone is bad, you must be basing that statement on something right? you cant have an objective viewpoint unless you specify a certain standard. and youre acting like there actually is a universal standard that rappers are measured by which then consequently determines them as 'good', 'average' or 'bad' etc. The statement Ja is wack is not true, nor is it false because you havnt given a specification as to what he is wack at. to say ja is wack as a rapper is like saying van gough is wack as an artist (and by no means am i saying ja is the equivalent of van gough musically lol). van gough is not terrible as an artist. if you wanted to make that argument, youd have to say it like this - 'van gough is terrible at a certain form of art.' nothing has meaning until you give it meaning. ja is wack. based on what? even if you are basing it on something, does that make it true? for that basis yes, but as soon as you apply a different basis your argument goes out the window. 'Ja has weak content'. What constitutes good content? Do you mean Jas content isn't very diverse? Then yes that would be true, but that is totally different to saying he has weak content. It is not set in stone, it is not a fact that good content is measured by its diversity or creativity or whatever the case may be. Do you see where im going with this?

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[QUOTE="fat_rob"]:lol: at Ja Rule's lone stan in this thread...Ja is wack ninja. His music is awful...has been and always will be. fat_rob

matter of opinion. but do you wanna know whats funnier? you being a ja rule hater! woooow, never would have seen that coming. do you feel safe being in the majority?

how can you speak the truth? you acting like its fact that youre saying. if ja is not your taste in music, doesnt make him wack. i dont like eminem, but im not gonna say he is wack.

the statement ja is wack is subjective. your whole post is a load of horse sh*t. maybe when you graduate from school you'll understand. to say someone is wack, is based on your personal tastes. if you value lyrics then obviously you are not going to choose canibus over LL. but if you like records you can listen to with a chick youd be crazy to take canibus over LL. one aspect of an MC doesnt overide another aspect. music is cant be measured mathematically, so there is no way to say factually somone makes good music or not. maybe you could measure how lyrical someone is yes. small parts or elements of an MC can be measured to a degree, but then again what you might consider good, the next person might consider bad. just like right now ima say ja makes good music and you say he doesnt. aint no wrong or right, its when people like you try to pass their opinion off as true, thats when the problems begin. if ja doesnt make the type of records you like, leave it at that.