Maybe talking about Bioshock as an example will help the non believers. Visuals: if you pause the game in many places and paint what you see it would be considered art. Sound: amazing score, the sound by itself would be considered art. Message or Philosophy: its critique on Ayn Rand and objectivism. Personal Expierence: every one with a brain who plays Bio Shock will have a different experience or interpretation. So according to Ebert if a famous director made a movie about Bioshock it would considered art, but the original game itself is not art? Thats retarded. Most games are not art, But some are and more should be.