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#2 riariases
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]You provided factually incorrect information, without any sources, as well as several opinion based cons, and then proceeded to question the validity of correction from anyone with more information and/or ability to google.

The Vita doesn't use Memory Stick Duos.

shinrabanshou

Yeah right. I've been providing sources all through this forum, I haven't been making an "opinion based cons", and yeah of course I asked questions. If I'm backing up my information with sources, why can't everybody else? Seriously, you can stop acting like I'm being unfair towards the Vita. It has more pros and less cons. You wanna explain my "opinion based cons"? Really, you don't even have to go to google for that one. Should be easy for you.

Your OP lists absolutely no sources for anything.

Yet, you expected everyone who correctly told you you were wrong to provide sources.

"Fingers will block the screen view" opinion based-con. Proprietary storage is only a con if it's priced excessively - something that's currently unknown.

Even 3D is an opinion based pro, considering objectively 3D is not "better" or "worse." It's simply a feature. Likewise the backtouch pad for the Vita.

That's just putting everything down to personal preferences then. Okay, if I took off "fingers will block the screen view" then it would only be fair to take off "3D has a small viewing angle" be cause they both have to do with line of sight. And the thing is, they're both pretty reasonable. But you're right, proprietty storage doesn't have to be a con. It could be better if its writtable speed was higher or if its price was lower.

3D is better than no 3D and a touchpad is better than no touchpad. It's like going to a starving kid in Africa who has nothing and presenting him with the choice of bread or no bread. Even if he doesn't like the taste of bread, he's gonna take that bread.

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#3 riariases
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[QUOTE="jasper061992"]


I don't think you mentioned that before.

Sony certainly never revealed the CPU clockspeed yet. Where did you get this one from?

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"How? The Vita's GPU has a lower clockspeed than the 3DS's GPU and no special architecture (that has been announced atleast). It's 200MHz (Vita) vs 400MHz (3DS). But apparently Nintendo has capped the PICA 200 at 200MHz for the 3DS but can still be utilized. And the PSVita isn't compatible with a stylus. Most multitouch devices aren't, except for expensive business handhelds. Haven't you ever tried using a stylus on an iPhone/iPod Touch or an Android Phone? And when you're thumbs are stretched over the PSVita's touchscreen, it's obviously gonna be blocking off some of your view. Come on, how is any of that not fair?"

-9th post in the forum.

http://us.playstation.com/psvita/tech-specs/

Uses an ARMĀ® Cortex™- A9 core (4 core). Capacity of 2GHz.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6287063/sony-ngp-processor-performance

But weren't you just saying how clockspeed doesn't matter?

You don't get it do you clock speeds mean nothing,the GPU inside the Vita is more advance is a 4 core GPU not on the same generation of the Pica,the Xenos on the xbox 360 runs at 500mhz the RSX on the PS3 runs at 550mhz,but we all know the Xenos is a more advance piece of hardware than the RSX and also has a high fill rate,even at a lower clock speed.

No man. You don't get it. I was quoting an earlier comment of mine.

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#4 riariases
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[QUOTE="riariases"]Aidenfury19

1. OLED's life expectancy issues at this time have largely been solved, it's quite unlikely that you'll even run into real issues with either of them.

2. Which is it, better GPU or worse GPU? Lets just say that I consider it unlikely that the 3DS has a better GPU (haven't looked over their specs in that much detail though).

3. What makes you believe that you wouldn't be able to use a Vita with a stylus? Admittedly the system wouldn't come with one, but I don't know of any technical limitation that would prevent it from using one.

4. The 3DS doesn't have analog sticks, it has an analog slider similar to what the PSP had (although from what I hear, not as bad).

5. You missed dual cameras on the Vita (one front, one back).

1. No, it hasn't been fixeed. OLED is ORGANIC LED. Organic materials waste quicker but produce better results. That's the whole attraction to OLED.

2. I made those corrections. You kind of came late into the conversation.

3. The Playstation Vita uses a capacitive touchscreen. They require special styli which sometimes are costly. And the fact that Sony isn't including one (as far as we know) isn't a great hint either. It's like trying to use a stylus on an iPod Touch or iPhone. Not going to happen. Capacative styli generate static electricity which capacitive touchscreens (some, not all) can react to.

4. So? The 3DS still doesn't have dual analog sticks.

5. Both of them have that. It's not a pro or con in comparison. It's like adding touch screen to both of them. It would be the same thing as NOT adding touch screen to both of them.

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#5 riariases
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[QUOTE="riariases"]

[QUOTE="jasper061992"]


I don't think you mentioned that before.

Sony certainly never revealed the CPU clockspeed yet. Where did you get this one from?

jasper061992

"How? The Vita's GPU has a lower clockspeed than the 3DS's GPU and no special architecture (that has been announced atleast). It's 200MHz (Vita) vs 400MHz (3DS). But apparently Nintendo has capped the PICA 200 at 200MHz for the 3DS but can still be utilized.And the PSVita isn't compatible with a stylus. Most multitouch devices aren't, except for expensive business handhelds. Haven't you ever tried using a stylus on an iPhone/iPod Touch or an Android Phone? And when you're thumbs are stretched over the PSVita's touchscreen, it's obviously gonna be blocking off some of your view. Come on, how is any of that not fair?"

-9th post in the forum.

http://us.playstation.com/psvita/tech-specs/

Uses an ARMĀ® Cortex™- A9 core (4 core). Capacity of 2GHz.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6287063/sony-ngp-processor-performance

But weren't you just saying how clockspeed doesn't matter?

Does NOT necessarily mean it will be used. "Capability" and whats it's actually "set to operate at" are two different things I'm afaid. Also, have look at "Binning". CPU or GPU rejects that have failed a specific requirement during manufacturing. For example, A 4Ghz CPU required for X product but only able to achieve up to 2Ghz, so sold for cheaper price for Y product. In other words, the 3DS.

This is probably the case here.

What does this have to do with the discussion between you and me?


Again, clockspeed should NEVER be the forerunner in measuring performance. NEVER. Thats all I said.

Anyway. I should be going to bed now, got college. I hope you don't shoot off any more ignorance in this thread.

We've been through that conversation. I was just quoting the whole comment.

Again, I was just quoting the whole comment.

You say that, but then you ask me where Sony stated the PSVita's CPU clockspeed?

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#6 riariases
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[QUOTE="riariases"]This is getting annoying having to defend myself in a gaming forum. Honestly, you all need to step it down a notch. It's just video games. And I wasn't mouthing off to anyone. I was asked for a source of information. But no, you're right. Questioning is mouthing off.

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You provided factually incorrect information, without any sources, as well as several opinion based cons, and then proceeded to question the validity of correction from anyone with more information and/or ability to google.

The Vita doesn't use Memory Stick Duos.

Yeah right. I've been providing sources all through this forum, I haven't been making an "opinion based cons", and yeah of course I asked questions. If I'm backing up my information with sources, why can't everybody else? Seriously, you can stop acting like I'm being unfair towards the Vita. It has more pros and less cons. You wanna explain my "opinion based cons"? Really, you don't even have to go to google for that one. Should be easy for you.

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#7 riariases
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[QUOTE="riariases"][QUOTE="Jackopeng"] Aww cheers babes :) Heres a source for you http://www.t3.com/news/sony-playstation-vita-storage-media-pictured?=57487 Storage all the way upto 32gb :DJackopeng
Those aren'tt game cartridges, those are basically the new Memory Stick Pro Duos. And still, I'm sure SD will be cheaper. Sony likes to used proprietive formats that are more expensive than the alternative SD.

I didn't say they were game cartridges? :S They look similar to Pro Duo's and that's about all we know, they may have extra security or something of which we don't know, I love how your opinion is fact :)

Okay, then you misread my pro/con list. I said the game cartridges use up to 4GB. And yeah, I like that too.
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#8 riariases
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[QUOTE="riariases"][QUOTE="Jackopeng"] Well yeah cause i what i do is i drag my finger across my monitor and the mouse cursor follows it :) I love how you changed the Vita con's to Uses Memory Stick Pro Duo and upto 4gb Memory...i'm sorry but gonna need a source on that because i thought sony had'nt confirmed they're new storage media yet?Jackopeng
There you go, 'bud'. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/292005/news/sony-ngp-storage-medium-detailed/ http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/ngp-games-will-use-2gb-and-4gb-cards/

Aww cheers babes :) Heres a source for you http://www.t3.com/news/sony-playstation-vita-storage-media-pictured?=57487 Storage all the way upto 32gb :D

Those aren'tt game cartridges, those are basically the new Memory Stick Pro Duos. And still, I'm sure SD will be cheaper. Sony likes to used proprietive formats that are more expensive than the alternative SD. That article also says they look like standard microSD cards which means they could still use an adapter for Memory Stick Pro Duo compatibility.

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#9 riariases
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[QUOTE="jasper061992"]

Oh my god. The ignorance is unbearable. Not only is the Vita's GPU quad core, the 3DS long before it's launch has been confirmed to be using a 200Mhz Pica chip. Not 400Mhz. That likely would have pushed hardware costs well past Nintendo's liking, let alone resulting in a 30minute battery life.

Besides, as said before the clockspeed of a CPU/GPU is one of the least important measurings of a CPU's power. Been proven since Intel's power hungry, hot, overclocked Pentium 4's still got smashed by the slower clocked Athlon CPUs that were competing with them.

I suggest you do your homework before posting another similar thread to this again.

jasper061992

Yeah, chill out. I already mentioned how the PICA 200 was capped at 200MHz but is capable of 400MHz, and Sony capped the 2GHz CPU at 800MHz as well.


I don't think you mentioned that before.

Sony certainly never revealed the CPU clockspeed yet. Where did you get this one from?

"How? The Vita's GPU has a lower clockspeed than the 3DS's GPU and no special architecture (that has been announced atleast). It's 200MHz (Vita) vs 400MHz (3DS). But apparently Nintendo has capped the PICA 200 at 200MHz for the 3DS but can still be utilized. And the PSVita isn't compatible with a stylus. Most multitouch devices aren't, except for expensive business handhelds. Haven't you ever tried using a stylus on an iPhone/iPod Touch or an Android Phone? And when you're thumbs are stretched over the PSVita's touchscreen, it's obviously gonna be blocking off some of your view. Come on, how is any of that not fair?"

-9th post in the forum.

http://us.playstation.com/psvita/tech-specs/

Uses an ARMĀ® Cortex™- A9 core (4 core). Capacity of 2GHz.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6287063/sony-ngp-processor-performance

But weren't you just saying how clockspeed doesn't matter?

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#10 riariases
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[QUOTE="riariases"][QUOTE="Jackopeng"] I can still use the touchpad just like i can on the touchscreen...and your just being annoying now, go take a look at the tegra 2Jackopeng
You're not going to be using the touchpad the same as the touchscreen. Do you use your mouse pad the same as you would if your monitor/screen was touchscreen? No.

Well yeah cause i what i do is i drag my finger across my monitor and the mouse cursor follows it :) I love how you changed the Vita con's to Uses Memory Stick Pro Duo and upto 4gb Memory...i'm sorry but gonna need a source on that because i thought sony had'nt confirmed they're new storage media yet?

There you go, 'bud'. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/292005/news/sony-ngp-storage-medium-detailed/ http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/ngp-games-will-use-2gb-and-4gb-cards/