And this is the most important thread i've made here (a hard job, i'm sure most of you will concede), so i'm gonna bump it if it disappears, something I tend to be loathe to do.
This is also the biggest and most important event thus far in terms America's internal dialogue concerning the war in Iraq.
Of course I have my own opinion of this debate;
- That Christopher Hitchens' calm and cutting denunciations contrasted favourably against his opponents vulgar, blustering remonstrations (I particularly liked Galloway's remark, and I paraphrase; "...handing out ridiculous leaflets on the street like an idiot" You'd have to hear it).
- That Christopher Hitchens' quiet and humanitarian awe for the Iraqi secular left along with his equally humanitarian and quietly seething contempt for the Saddams and Assads of this world contrasts favourably with George Galloway's booming defence of the jihadists in Iraq and denunciations of the 'two biggest rogue states in the world' Britain and America.
So I think Hitchens won, his approach was one of a detached, cereberal left-wing liberal who is utterly bemused at other supposed representatives of the left's contradictions, hypocrisies and intellectual dissonances when it comes to their supposed anti-war stance. Galloway shouted a lot and was very emotive, but far far less substantive.
My other opinion is one of bemusement that this kind of substantive, combative debate does not occur in the talking-point oriented, relentlessly massaged and simplistic American media. Watching this debate made me realise just how turgid and predictable that American political discourse has become since MoveOn, Michael Moore, Sean Hannity, Bill OReilly and Rush Limbaugh pissed on it.
It also includes a hugely important quote that sheds light on how perverse and wrong-faced the current flow of dialog is in the debate, from Chris Hitchens;
"Um, an impression, I think, ladies and gentleman has been allowed to form and perhaps even to coagulate, and to congeal, that it is only those of us who support the regime-change, the revolutionary change in Iraq, who have any explaining to do. Um, I think that that assumption needs to be countered from the very beginning."
Anyway, the greatest quote, and probably soon to replace the briliant Charlie Brooker in my signature was this gem of Hitchens;
"There are probably some people among you here who fancy yourself as having leftist revolutionary credentials, as far as I can tell that you do from the zoo-noises that you make... And the scars that you can demonstrate from your long, underground, twilight struggle against Dick Cheney. But while you're masturbating in that manner, the Iraqi secular left, the socialist and communist movements, the workers' movement, the trade unions, are fighting for their lives against the most vicious and indiscriminant form of fascist violence that any country in the region has seen for a very long time."
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