@scaperat1 @agallardo13 Oh I believe it will be holiday 2013, I am just wondering is that for EU too?

@agallardo13 @scaperat1 Is europe going to be delayed tho? There was rumors that japan/US would get holiday 2013 and EU for early 2014.

I am hoping it will be the same release date worldwide as I am from UK

@JurgenR @solo1g yea I was shocked they talked specs, new features, games then....nothing :( all we saw was new controller

@JurgenR they didn't show it :(

So cool stuff, but why didn't they show what the console looks like and price?

@keech You can get off the origin world at lv10 (if you do all the quests) but being able to go to lv15 allows you to play the first flashpoint which is at the fleet and do some PvP. But that's all you can do. Essential it is a demo but gives you a chance to try out the classes and Advanced Classes (which you pick at lv10 on the fleet).

@Senor_Kami yea but the point is they shouldn't be asking for extra money for something that should be in the game. Killzone 3 had a clan system and leaderbaords etc didn't see them asking more moeny for it.

Well done to the 10 million players that subscribed to the COD elite rubbish, now every developer is going to copy Activision.

I didn't even buy MW3 fullstop becuase of that stupid subscription rubbish. I mean each game is like £40 and they want you to pay double on top just so you can be on an elite leaderboards etc.

I understand when dev's make future DLC's (not ones already on disk but ones they actually make to expand the game) that's fine but yearly subs for a console game that's a waste of time.