Also, that's my ultimate point, that we should use the internet to target companies that think they have a right to swindle us with sub par sequel after sequel (COD, AC etc).

@Jacanuk: Tbh, Hitman got some pretty good reviews but the peple who played the game or wanted to play it did not like the episodic nature and some did not like the game outright. With Andromeda, it has been received poorly by critics and most gamers. Either way, it goes to show you that we as consumers can vote iwth our wallet and we should do it a lot mroe often. I'm not sure in what kind of shape Bioware is right now (some employees have been moved to other studios) but hopefully it moves them to go back to creating great RPGs and maybe even a new IP.

I don't think its a minority when Hitman bombed and Andromeda did not do as well as expected, both financially and critically.

As a fan of the serious, I was both surprised and saddened that they failed to add anything of note to the formula. Yes some levels have been expanded and made somewhat larger but with what is possible these days, they should and oculd have made much larger planets with a larger variety of creatures on display.

Now, I was going to buy the game when it dropped in price but I doubt I will unless it's extraodinarily cheap because there are so many quality releases that Andromeda isn't even an after thought anymore.

@Macutchi: My evidence is not anecdotal. The Mass Effect franchise has been put on hold, Hitman's future is up in the air and we know a massive loss was made. Those are factual statements. Why did the games not do well? Like I said, a major reason was the online backlash for a variety of reasons. I am not going to quote the entire internet for you. If you know how to use google, you can easily find the relevant info.

@tdhbp: Paying for an onlien service, which is absolute bs. If Sony could work a free PSN last gen, there is no reason they couldn't do it now. If this happened in any other industry, it would be tentamount to fraud.

Also, I really dislike the larger and larger installations and day one patches then again, its a problem on PC too.

Other than that, I love the optimisation, especially on the PS4 and the ease of access it provides me as a gamer.

@Macutchi: Just because that's all you saw doesn't mean that's all the criticism there was. What kind of logic is that? I followed the development of the game very closely because I'm a huge ME fan so I picked up on it more, as did many other people. We tend to forget it was one of last gens biggest franchises.

@Macutchi: I dunno if your being purposefully dense or what but I'm clearly gonna be speaking about the release of the game considering the point if this thread. The criticism for both games mentioned Started long before release.

Having said that even while the game was in pre production there was a lot of criticism, especially centred around the problems with me 3 and the holes it left behind. So maybe it was always doomed.

@xdude85: why dont you like the list?

Well I haven't played the game since 04/05 so it probably doesnt hold up that well, heck, it didn't hold up all that much when I last played it BUT you had to be there in the late 90s to understand the hype. It was the first truly comfortable console fps and it was the most fun I had playing mp outside of the smackdown games, Tekken and GT. Oh the memories!

@Macutchi: Lots of things. A lot of the initial criticism I initially saw factroed around the fact that not much had seemed to change, not just between entries but between console generations.