So you're conceding to the sound logic in my point then? Great. I'm a hermit btw who might pick up a ps4 late 2014.

Not in 2013 it wasn't, check the stats. Xbox 360 did a little over 13 million worldwide total for 2013. UK sales would've made up a whopping 4% of those sales in 2013 unless the 500k figure being sited is inaccurate. The source seems to be suspect and there are no other supporting pieces of evidence to corroborate this sales figure but let's just accept it as 100% fact for now. That 4% figure is a very weak figure comparing to previous years (10+ %) when that 2nd strongest performing region held true.

TLDR; Xbox 360 had a comparatively (to previous years) poor 2013 in UK sales. This is not out of the norm for a last generation console in its final years with new consoles coming out. That same sales trend applies even to sales juggernauts like the PS2 that saw similar subsequent sales slumps percentage wise in Europe in the latter years (6 million down to 3.8 millon to > 2 million) Mind you in sheer quantity, the PS2 was killing it and doing great for a console at its end but in percentage drops/growth, it was shrinking pretty fast in a short amount of time.

TLDR; A brand new console outselling an 8 year old on its way out with dwindling demand in one of its weakest performing territories is not a big achievement, if not an achievement at all. It's like having a fresh middle school track kid outrun Usain Bolt in one lap after he's already ran 90+ laps at full capacity.

@ghostwarrior786 said:

"The Playstation 4 pipped Xbox 360 in the final week to become the UK's best-selling home games console in 2013."

"It beat Xbox 360 to the No.1 home console position by a couple of thousand units"

that is damn impressive. sdc to continue next year

http://free.yudu.com/item/details/1610062/MCV-January-10th-2014 - pay to read

sony taking over uk, m$ 2nd stronghold

I'm sorry but this is not really that great of an achievement. Let's put this in proper perspective. Take the PS2, the most successful and highest selling console of ALL TIME, priced at $99 to $129 brand new at retailers by FY 2006. Guess what? It only managed to outsell the $429 Xbox 360 in 2006 by less than 4 million units worldwide. (Xbox 360 sold 10.4 million with the PS2 selling close to 14 million) Mind you, this is taking into consideration that the PS2 was available in 60+ more regions at the time and had far more hot system selling titles coming out than the 360 had in 2013. FYI, almost all of the 4 million sales gap in 2006 between the PS2 and Xbox 360 came from Europe (6 million PS2 sku sold vs Over 2 million Xbox 360 sku sold) Remember Europe was pretty much one of Sony's strongest performing regions at the time during the PS2's gen versus worst performing for Xbox brand.

Now compare that with the cheapest brand new Xbox 360 SKU in 2013 being $149 to $199 compared to a $399 Playstation 4. Granted the PS4 only had a few months, it's not completely inconceivable that this would happen in a region where Microsoft doesn't have the greatest track record with past consoles. When you look at worldwide sales, the sales gap becomes even less dramatic with the Xbox 360 probably outselling the PS4 worldwide for 2013. Compare that with the €499 Xbox one that sold 364k in UK in 2013 in the same time frame (1 extra week) as the €399 PS4. This means a €99 Xbox 360 only managed to outsell a €499 Xbox One by less than 100k units with 48 extra weeks of sales!! Again, this is not shocking stuff. A last generation console in its ending years is not going to perform sales wise up to par comparatively with new console with hot demand.

Back to scheduled programming folks!!!

And don't get me started on Crysis.


Some of you guys are naive. I've played Uncharted 2. It looks amazing by console standards. But if you have good eyesight, an hdtv hooked up to a half decent pc with crysis running, you'll STFU about this and know there's really no debating here. There's just no room for discussion.













Screenshots don't even do it justice but even then here


Just watch this video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WOJBs-FVtA&fmt=22




And for those complaining about pc cost. I'm using a video card that came out BEFORE ps3 and is discontinued. My machine is old and very cheap by today's standards and yet still runs the games great for the past 2 and half years I've had it contrary to popular belief

lol Console games look great. But with the level of AA and sheer detail in pc games, it's hard to beat them. Heck, multiplatform games on pc rival or even surpass console exclusives


Case in point

(All taken ingame no bullshots)

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I really enjoyed Shift(just got to DL 50)..It looks great and is a fun game...but it looks like the lads from slightly mad have entered the building

Mazoch

Also, the screenshots you see above were taken on my computer. Today, my rig isn't exactly state of the art. My video card launched a few months before the ps3(nvidia 8800gtx). I have only 2GB RAM. And yet NFS Shift looks that good on my machine. I don't think it's unfair to compare it to a ps3 exclusive where developers are pushing the hardware to the best of their ability. By most people's logic, NFS Shift in theory shouldn't even come close to GT5 even with all the AA in the world. But it doesn't work that way. Console hardware and even pc hardware is limited so devs choose to focus on certain things while compromising others. In the end, it's the overall look that matters. I think it should also tell you a lot about how the technology power gap between both consoles isn't as significant as people claim it to be. In the end, it all depends on the developer. It's hard to extrapolate if a said exclusive game on 360 cannot be made to the run on the ps3 or vice versa.

I really enjoyed Shift(just got to DL 50)..It looks great and is a fun game...but it looks like the lads from slightly mad have entered the building

masiisam

I think we should just leave it at that. The rest is subject to debate depending on personal preference.