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Hi! Jess... Loved your video... Its all inspiring... And as a Psichologyst from Bolivia im totally agree with all the things you portrayed in this video... Maybe as a suggestion... You can do a countdown of the best videogames with psichologycal content?? Or maybe more ambicious... Make countdowns of best games for distinct categories of mental illnnes like: anxiety, depression, P. D. and schizophrenia... Ill be expectating... Muchas gracias por tu trabajo!!!

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By talking to GameSpot staff. Your free now Danny.

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The crap 15 second ads that are the SAME ad, before a video clip are making me mentally ill.

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Nice article

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American McGee's Alice.

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Thank you, Jess, for making this video. I find it very comforting knowing that there are many people like me and that the theme of mental health is becoming less of a taboo.

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@Morphine_OD: Really? Really? That's a surprise coming from you, who have smashed just about every indie game who try to touch on taboo subjects as "pretentious", to quote a word that you like using so, so much.

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@Morphine_OD: Thank you! I agree

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Great piece, Jess.

I work as a rehabilitation counselor for people living with and recovering from severe mental illness, mostly schizophrenia, bipolor disorder, schizoaffective disorder, major depressive disorder, OCD, etc. The biggest external struggle my clients face is misunderstanding from the general public, be it a potential employer or just an average Joe fearful of unusual behavior they witness in a grocery store.

I attribute this in part to natural human reaction to something different, to a lack of general education on the subject, and then in large part the entertainment industry's use of people with mental illness as serial killers, ghost whisperers or similarly dehumanized and romanticized characters. Split, I suppose, is the most recent film to muddy the waters on DID.

The gaming industry certainly hasn't shied away from this trope. I can remember seeing it as far back as Sierra's "The Colonel's Bequest" (which I won't spoil here even though its probably almost 30 years old) and its still a common go-to trope today.

I'm glad to see there are game developers exploring mental illness as it is rather than serving up the same old spooky, magical, or enigmatic experiences they usually put on our plates. Glad to see game journalists like you taking on the topic as well.

Cheers

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@Schwah: I really didn't like Split because it did exactly what I was talking about in this piece. It took a mental illness and made it wildly over the top and violent. I get that those things do happen but geez does it make it hard for sufferers to not be seen as scary sociopaths. It's nice working in the games industry where I feel there's a higher than usual acknowledgment and acceptance of mental illness. I wish it was more widespread.

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@tempertress: I suppose it's worth mentioning here for anyone listening that statistically speaking people with mental illnesses are significantly more likely to be victims of violent crime than perpetrators. That's something even my colleagues in the industry often get wrong.

Also, that's interesting insight into the gaming industry. Thanks for the perspective.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU7YLkTQuJU

7 more games that dealt with the topic well.

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@texasgoldrush: Johnny knows his shit. Would definitely recommend listening to this!

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How is Life is Strange not talked about here????????

That's a major example of a game, a breakthrough, of how games can treat mental illness.

https://femhype.com/2015/08/19/be-kind-you-cant-rewind-trauma-mental-illness-in-life-is-strange/

Does Gamespot (and IGN) simply put, ignore this game while everyone else still talks about it?

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@texasgoldrush: I love Life Is Strange. But the video can only be so long and I thought these examples depicted mental illness more prominently. But it was great to see Life Is Strange feature it and do so sensitively.

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@tempertress: I actually disagree on prominence, as your examples put more focus on the protagonist or the main subject having the illness. Life is Strange shows the effects of mental illness outside the main character or subject and shows how destructive it can be unchecked. Also, Max herself does indeed have anxiety issues as well. Life is Strange's story shows a toxic brew of mental illness with people just trying to find their identities, along with a lack of awareness and institutional failure. Life is Strange also shows that mental illness can be afflicted on others, such as what happens to Kate and later, even Max. Also Chloe is dealing with mental issues as well, which the game depicts as well. And also of note is that the main voice actress, who was incredible as Max, also herself has dealt with these issues and she talks about it in interviews with her.

I know you listed it as one of your favorite games of 2015, but I think Gamespot missed the boat on the game. It wasn't even listed in the top 25 of 2015 and we could not have even voted for it in the readers poll even though it did well in the Golden Joysticks and straight up won the audience award at GDC. And Gamespot doesn't even talk about it even though its a huge hit commercially (it has almost 4 million owners on Steam!!!!) and it is the very first game to be awarded by the Peabodys, and it was not even reported.

http://www.peabodyawards.com/stories/story/futures-of-media-award

I think Gamespot should get with the program and admit that LIS was a huge success, even if the reviewers did not score it well. We underrate and overlook games, it happens and I wish Gamespot (and IGN) own up to this.

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@texasgoldrush: Well, GameSpot is a collection of a lot of editors. I know some loved it but I suppose others didn't so the site as a whole doesn't speak to the quality of games - the individuals do. As for me, I think it's fantastic. We also gave the game an 8/10 in our official review so that's quite impressive. In any case, it's worth celebrating another game that should fit on this list, as opposed to highlighting more of the problematic ones.

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@tempertress: I think it was episode by episode review so each episode had a different score and the last two episodes got 6/10's. I think it was the third episode that had an 8/10. Overall, its one of very few games that gamers rate higher than critics, and it's word of mouth helped it sell very well.

Also ran into another recent article in how it deals with disability and it is a good read (spoilers for the first part of Episode 4, one of the most masterful sections I have ever seen in a game in my opinion).

https://ineeddiversegames.org/2017/01/03/the-dark-room-of-disability-in-life-is-strange/

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@texasgoldrush: maybe because it's so talked about, she didn't feel the need to discuss it? why do you need everyone bringing up the same points about the same things? instead jess went for some lesser known games to give them a spot in the light as well.

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@BrunoBRS: Obviously not on Gamespot. While its winning awards, even the first Peabody recognition for a game, Gamespot ignores it. IGN as well.

And talking about lesser known games is well and good, but what may be the mediums biggest example and in the end, maybe the most impactful, got missed. Also it deals with mental illnesses other than just depression and in fact multiple characters have different types of mental illness. This includes both Max and Chloe.

Depression Quest is also another famous game that isn't talked about here as well.

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Mental illnesses in video games are depicted in unrealistic manner most of the time, its just spreading more disinformation in an already stigmatized branch of medicine(psychiatry) for the sake of entertainment.

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@iskaroth: Yeah I agree, most of the time that's how it is, often even the ones that a bunch of people praise for taking on the issue still do it poorly.

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I don't think you can qualify the FC 3 and 4 antagonist as someone with mental illness. They are sociopaths, it is qualified as one, but I think its just the worlds over diagnosis of things. A sociopath is usually shaped by their experience in life; but so is everyone else. Sociopath is only considered a mental illness because the things that shape those people are usually traumatic events. Whereas someone shaped by positive/normal non traumatic events is just considered "regular"

At the end of the day games are made for entertainment, you can say it doesn't have to be "fun" to entertain--but that's the simplest way to entertain. And generally speaking, nothing about the reality of mental illness would be considered fun. So I think its something the medium could ever effectively approach. On a side note, speaking about games with mental illness--what happened to Hellblade?

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@Sepewrath: i don't get your argument. just because a mental illness is developed because of the environement a person is put through, it shouldn't count? what does that mean for PTSD then?

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@BrunoBRS: I wouldn't qualify PTSD as a mental illness either--having problems because of being in war or a near death experience does not make a person mentally ill. Its just over simplification of people having problems whether temporary or long term. Calling it mental illness allows for just tossing them some pills to "balance them out"

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@Sepewrath: you know, i'll stick with the opinion of professionals over that of "dude on the internet".

plus, by your definition, food poisoning isn't being ill, because it's something you did to your body, not something you were born with. or any virus or bacteria or tumor or literally anything that isn't caused by bad genes

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@BrunoBRS:At what point did I say it had to be something your born with? Also you have zero clue who I am or who the professionals are that your so keen to listen to.

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@Sepewrath: You sound like a know-it-all honestly. PTSD is a serious mental illness, I served 7 years in the army and have friends that suffer from it.. Who do you think you are? I don't really care to listen to your nonsense of how YOU think the world works, and your definition of something. You're nobody, just an average joe just like the rest of the world. You may have delusions of grandeur yourself which could be considered a mental illness.

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@masscrack:So wouldn't you saying that PTSD is a mental illness qualify you as a "know it all"? Or do you think because you choose to follow what others tell you, that it makes your opinion more valid than others? Sounds like you have the illusion of grandeur my friend, if its a mental illness, you might want to get that checked out. You don't sound like you served 7 years in the military, you sound like your 7 years old. Bruno and I were having a discussion, take the childish antics elsewhere if that's all you have to contribute. Welcome to the real world, people wont always share the same opinion as you, grow up.

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@Sepewrath: Lmao you sound very triggered! Then I have done my job. Right to the point with the accusations of not serving, you must really know how to treat veterans. They've fought for rights so you could sit there and spew bullshit to everyone, you have what I call diarrhea of the mouth, kid. Bruno agreed with me, he thinks you're a dipstick too :), sucks right? not having anyone agree with you? calling someone a 7 year old, and then telling them to grow up. How hypocritical. Move along.

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@masscrack: If your goal is "trigger" someone on the internet, then I was right to call you a child and you just proved it to be true. Until you grow up and are able to speak like an adult--there's nothing else to discuss.

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Iv been wheelchair bound almost my whole life, because of this anxiety, depression and bipolar are some things I deal with. Beyond the the reason I am in the chair, I have a condition that makes my bones weaker than a normal person. Think of joker from mass effect. Same thing just worse. I actually would like to see game's adress people who have to live in wheelchairs, or physical disabilities. They touch on it in the sly Cooper game's with Bentley being paralyzed and in mgs tpp, but otherwise you don't see like in a gta or any open world game let alone any other where you have people who are disabled around like everyone else.

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@whitejackel: well if i remember correctly there is one in GTA IV Lost and damned cut scene man

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@whitejackel: One of my favourite video game characters is Burns Flipper in The Longest Journey. He's stuck in a personal hoverchair because his legs don't work (it's set in the future). He's a badass, hyper-intelligent, and a very strong person. I'd love to see more of that too.

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@tempertress: Also the reason why its an M rated game.....lol

Dreamfall Chapters also has a character with a disability as well, although his partners treatment of him is controversial.

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@whitejackel: you know, i think with how VR has the whole dichotomy of "you're playing standing still but half the time you're pretending you're running around", it would be a great way of making a game about being wheelchair bound.

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