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bad company 2>>>>>every other battlefield game ever made

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@ghostwarrior786 ^^^ false. BF2 is a far better Battlefield experience. I loved BF BC2, but BF2 still holds a place in my all-time favorites. BF2142 kept everything that was awesome in BF2 and added a cool game mode...that didn't work all that well once on the capital ship. :)

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Eh, BF2's alright and I still play it from time to time (heck, I played some its Forgotten Hope 2 mod last week), but BC2 and BF3 are much better IMO.

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You forgot about bots, BF3 had no bots and neither did bf4. For those who can't have online connections, offline bot playing is the next best thing other than boring ol' linear Singleplayer.

And with 16 or 32, or even 64, or 128 bots with ini hacks, you can get in the action with awesome mayhem to test out new classes and/or maps! Bring BOTS back puhleeezee!! Argh, Ok I'm done venting I need to calm down~ =(

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i disagree, i love bf2 but bad company 2 is the best BF ever made.

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It did some thongs right but the lack of 32vs32 was a let down

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@normanislost i liked the lower player count, it meant individual players can influence a game more. in 64 player maps u dont get the sense of personal achievement that u do in bc2

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Its a game about team play a good squad can do far more damage than one man and that was the point of 32vs32

As for personal achievement me and a friend sat side by side he was commander I had an abrams with him covering me we single handedly controled half the map, by the end of the game I had an armour column following me around the map

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@normanislost thongs are right indeed.

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I was scared this video was just going to take a giant poop on the game but I'm glad Jeremy actually knew what he was talking about. THE MAPS! Commander mode! Actual teamwork! Closest I've ever felt to something like BF2 again was the MAG beta on the PS3, but that game was really short lived. FPS games need more of that organic "PC" feel again. Things are way too dumbed down now and if you say I'm a nostalgia kid you're an idiot. I play every new title that comes out, some of them are great. But multiplayer FPS has become the new MMO.

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BF2 was the pinnacle of PC first-person shooters. Not perfect, no--but better than anything that's been made since.

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BF2/BF2:BC were the last BF I played simply because BF3 and later went Origin-only. As I recall, they were great games that broke the mold in lone wolfing and really rewarded the player when you worked cooperatively with other squadmates, let alone your team.


When I think of BF today, it's just melded into the cookie-cutter soup that MoH, CoD and BF are all part of. The "Modern AAA FPS" is a genre I now play keep away with rather than follow.

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best battlefield games ever: BF2 and Badcompany 2.


period.d

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what really hurt battlefield


recoded stats

small maps

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I really don't understand why people are slating battlefield 4. It is the best battlefield game I have played and I started with bad company 2 (wanted to try bf2 but my computer wasn't powerful enough back when it came out).


From what I seen in this video (and what the guy is saying) I think it just seems like a downgraded battlefield 4. no levolution or anything. Bad company 2 had better levolution than battlefield 4 since you could destroy literally everything but battlefield 4 is still better gameplay wise.


the glitches and lag are gone on battlefield now its amazing.

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@Aaronp2k If BF4 was inspired at all by BF2 outside of player count and a commander...where to begin, I get depressed just thinking about the wasted potential.

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@Aaronp2k The glitches and lag are definitely NOT gone for most. Unless you run on an official EA approved server (with all the upgraded bells in whistles) the servers make the experience horrible for anything higher than 16vs16.

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@Aaronp2k You never even played BF2, your opinion in this matter is invalid.

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@Aaronp2k what????? you haven't played BF2 yet you say BF4 is better??

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Edited By GameFan1983

99% what this video said existed ever since Bad Company 1.


BF2 was fun while it lasted, but compare to modern BF games?? who you kidding yourself with. no single player campaign, no tactical destruction, no unlockables, no achievements, boring game modes, very few weapons, just the old school counter strike fun with vesicles. if Dice had to make every BF game follow BF2 standard, they would have easy time and easy monkey except internet would cry more.


BF4 or bad company 2 competing each other for the best BF game of all time, but BF4 is technically broken on functional areas but was amazingly designed master picece

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It had unlockable and It didn't waste our time like CoD or bf3/4 does with a campaign it focused on being a multiplayer shooter by having a crap load of maps

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Console cash ruined BF.

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Good and diverse maps, that's all it really had over the BF games since then, but that alone still makes it one of the better BF games imo. Even though the ones since have had better shooting models and gadgets to choose from, their maps wreen't up to par and the whole game suffered as a result. That's the way I feel anyway.

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@nl_skipper BF3 and BF4 have tiny maps that's are only suited for 32 players its crazy dice thought 64 people and 100 tanks, jets ,boats, attack choppers and scout choppers could all fit on those tiny maps

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@West123 Yea, for some of them I'd agree with that, but also I feel like even the larger maps have all their control points grouped together in the centre, making much of the land totally inactive and useless.


Also, more than sheer size, the actual design of the maps has gotten much "safer" and as a result, boring. Too many maps are symmetrical, both in terms of control point placement and general geography... it just makes everything boring. They used to be able to offer you some balanced maps with very different geography as you travelled across, but now all the larger maps are just big open spaces with similar layouts all the way across.

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blah blah blah blah ... BF2 was the best !!! COD 4 was the best !!! bullshit to all of this! BF2 was good for it's time, BC2 was good for it's purpose BF3 was great, but it wasn't so feature heavy but BF4 took it all in ... technical issues aside BF4 is truely the best imho, you can't argue whether this map or that maps was best as it is objective! im just tired of these gaming nerds that always complain and saying the shit they had was better !! so yeah ..

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Edited By Aaronp2k

in all honesty I never played battlefield 2 but I did however play bad company 2. I hated bad company 2 at first (too familiar with cod style gameplay) but once I understood the game better I had an absolute blast. Vietnam expansion raised the bar even higher, the gameplay on that was insane. I never played much of battlefield 3 because my pc couldn't run it but I am playing battlefield 4. I have to disagree with this video and the bad company 2 video.


A lot of his points to why battlefield 2 is still very good are quite hypocritical. For instance, he talks about how you can hold down buildings or go out into fields or mountains, choose how you want to play. But you can do that in battlefield 4. In fact all of the stuff you could do in battlefield 2 you can do in battlefield 4 by the looks of it. If you play hardcore mode you have the feature where you are only allowed to spawn on squad leader. The maps on battlefield 4 are flawless imo, in fact the only map I dislike is operation firestorm and even then it is still an ok map just not nearly on the same level as the other maps.


I know battlefield 4 was buggy, had rubber band lag, had netcode latency issues but apparently battlefield 2 was also buggy when it first came out. Games which have huge maps tend to have plenty of bugs, pretty much any mmo, open world (sandbox or whatever) game also have plenty of bugs. Just look at skyrim, gta online, elder scrolls online heck even world of warcraft had bugs on launch. The point is, battlefield 4 now plays almost flawlessly, it almost feels like a completely different game compared to the state it was in before the server upgrades and netcode patches. Now every action you do is so smooth, you don't get glitched when trying to jump small obstacles anymore (like curbs for example).


The vehicles and aircrafts on battlefield 4 are balanced, if you are bad at piloting a jet its because you aren't slowing down when you turn and if you are bad at flying a helicopter then just practise flying in test range or whatever its called and you will pick it up in no time. If you keep getting raped by vehicles or aircrafts its because your team is bad and are not focusing on taking out vehicles and just going for kills (which is not what battlefield is about).


The only problems with battlefield 4 (keep in mind I play it on ps4) I have found is the following:


1. nobody uses their mics, impossible to communicate with them and battlefield is a game which requires communication.

2. commanders rarely give me orders, even if i request an order.

3. other players on the game are very bad, its rare you get put on a good team. other players on your team seem to just stand there when you get killed, wait for you to get killed and then kill the person who killed you. | had 1 guy on my team stand there while i got knifed, he watched the whole thing and then the guy who knifed me turned round and killed him. he defo wasn't idle either because he was moving.

4. I am sick of people hogging vehicles and jets. They should put in a system where you are only allowed to use a vehicle/aircraft once every 5 spawns or something.


All these problems are mostly the players fault and not a fault with the actual game. Other than these problems however, I have really enjoyed battlefield 4 and still play it even now. Anyone who says bad company 2 or battlefield 2 is better than battlefield 4 are honestly just being nitpicky (probably because of the previous lag and glitch issues), battlefield 4 is miles better than the previous entries in the franchise. I think if the people who claim they hate battlefield 4 came back and gave the game a chance now (since pretty much everything is fixed now) they would love the game. Of course they won't because they are stubborn :).



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This game was 100% pure PC. Rather than have the features that made PC gaming so other-worldy unique bleed into console gaming, it's been the other way around and (imho) the genre has been the worse for it.


I don't hate consoles and I'm not a PC elitist, but more was expected of the participant in terms of learning a game's interface and managing basic systems back in the day. Now with the gaming so mainstream, the economics dictate that those days are dead and buried... well, with the exception of ARMA and a few other eastern European games.

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@BravoOneActual because gaming in East Europe is pretty much 90% PC gaming...whereas in the US consoles dominate the game markets, so obviously US based devs (or those owned by US based producers) focus on the platform which the majority of the markets owns (same goes for UK and France, Germany is half half and everything east of Germany is PC)

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That's a pretty weak argument... the games are FPS's, they barely have any interface to speak of and ALWAYS play better on a PC regardless... it's not like an RTS or RPG design for console where the interface is often awful.

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@nl_skipper Funny... didn't think I was arguing. ;)


I'll stick to my guns on PC losing out to console influence and the first-person "shooters" that come immediately to mind are Ghost Recon and Operation Flashpoint. SystemShock and Deus Ex aren't military games, but they're worth mentioning. To some extent, I think the same goes for BF2.


Also, I'm not addressing developers shoehorning elaborate PC control schemes onto controllers to whatever effect. I'm talking about entirely altering the mechanics & features of an established game or series to be more inclusive to a wider range of players. Some call this "dumbing down" a game.

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Is even better that I remember each time I go back to playing it every few years, same with 2142 and Unreal Tournament. Like, with time my memories start making them seem worse, I believe as a way to justify me playing modern shooters.

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Those glasses are just rose tinted, they're solid through. All the good you mentioned here is still present in BF4, and 90% of the bad has been eliminated. ~.~

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@Fernin-Ker The biggest map in BF4 is the smallest map in BF2.

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@holtrocks


That is both factually incorrect, and a stupid assumption.

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@Fernin-Ker well in BF4 the commander mode is useless, the balancing is shit, their is almost no cooperation between squad members, its full of gimmicky useless gadgets (UCAV, Ed bot, etc, etc), and the maps were designed with crayon. BF4 is frankly humiliating shit, and Dice should be ashamed to release such a buggy product.

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Battlefield 2 was a buggy POS when it first launched, but it didn't take DICE two years to fix it. The game play was excellent and you never got bored. You only stopped playing it because the outside world forced you to stop. (School/Work/Family) The team play was also way better. Even without VOIP, i was still able to effectively communicate with my squad mates and work together. The class system was also way better in BF2. The most recent entry just has too many classes/weapons and none of them feel very special. BF2 is still a great game because DICE has not done much to improve the series since BF2. The graphics have gotten way better, but good graphics can only do so much. Unfortunately DICE forgot that. I suspect EA has played a big role in hurting the BF series. They turned DICE into a Battlefield factory, where shipping a quality game was no longer the primary objective.

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I like 2142 the best.

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I gotta say that 2142 was my favorite. I had tinkered with BF2 at my friend's house a few times, but 2142 was the first Battlefield I actually owned, myself. I really enjoyed the near-future setting and the factions they used, but the crowning glory was Titan mode. To this day, I've never played a multiplayer mode as fun as that. Nothing compared to jumping off of that airship, knowing it was about to explode.


I know BF4 has the Carrier version, but I don't really feel like getting DLC just for that mode, and I also don't think it's as cool on an aircraft carrier.

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@the_dude526 : Titan mode in 2142 was indeed pretty flappin' glorious. I still preferred BF2, but 2142 comes in a close second.

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@Niner0 @the_dude526 I remember Titan mode being atrociously laggy.

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So when going on about all of the things that BF2 had in terms of features, what makes 2 so awesome and 3 & 4 so sad? Besides multiplayer gaming in general going down the toilet in terms of player base, the core game is largely the same.

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@jinzo9988 They started making most of the maps symmetrical because they seem to have forgotten how to balance a map without perfectly mirrored geography... which is lame. That's the single biggest change I've noticed in the series, and it really bums me out!


You may be right about player base though... I really had a lot more luck teaming up with randoms, and even good/friendly clans than I do these days, where almost everyone just ignores their team mates.

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The game was awesome. And it didn't require Origin which made it even better.

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Battlefield 2 reminds me a lot of Bad Company 2 with worse textures. Bad Company 2 and Battlefield Vietnam were pretty much perfect.

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Bigger maps. better gun mechanics. The thing I dont miss about BF2 was how crappy their patch system was. Every expansion was a quagmire of patches. That and how overpowered aircraft were. It got to the point you couldnt peak your head out without a jet flying over and dropping a bomb on you.

Personally I preferred CoD: United Offensive

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@oflow Better gun mechanics...? Are you sure..? I feel like BF3/4 nailed the gun mechanics for the most part while BF2 had way too much random deviation such that firing a single shot from an M16 while set to auto-fire was MUCH less accurate than firing a single shot while set to single shot... it didn't really make a lot of sense.

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2142.

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