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E3 2017: Phil Spencer Talks Xbox One X Potentially Being Held Back By PS4 Deals

Phil Spencer addresses the possibility of a deal that holds back technical performance.

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Microsoft officially revealed the Xbox One X at E3 this week, providing a name and details for the improved Xbox One formerly known as Project Scorpio. It's more powerful than PS4 Pro, but game companies now find themselves in a position where they have to decide how to approach the improvements that are offered on Xbox One X as compared with PS4 Pro. We learned this week that Destiny 2 will run at 30 FPS on Xbox One X, just as it will on PS4 Pro. But it's unclear if that framerate is the result of hardware restrictions or because Sony, through its partnership with Activision, would not allow the game to run better on rival hardware.

Head of Xbox Phil Spencer joined GameSpot today on our E3 live show to discuss this and much more. Regarding the potential for games' technical performance to be held back due to such arrangement, he noted that he was not aware of that specifically happening, but he did say he thinks it would be bad for the industry.

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"I'm gonna struggle to not get myself in trouble on this one," he said. "I'll just say: I don't know anything about other development deals. You mentioned some things around clauses and stuff that I don't know anything about. But if anybody was to do a deal to hold back technical innovation on a video game anywhere else, that doesn't feel good for the industry to me."

Spencer went on to contrast the approach of securing exclusive content with the way Microsoft now operates. "I've said I'm not one who's a fan of going out and doing deals so that a certain skin isn't playable on another platform or a different Strike," he said. "And people will come and say, 'Hey, you guys did that first with Call of Duty way back in the day.' I wasn't in this position when that happened. That's not me ducking responsibility for it, but I didn't make that call.

"But the deals that we do now--and you saw our third-party relationships on stage with Shadow of War, with Assassin's [Creed], you're not going to hear them say anything about there's a certain character that's not playable. And I never go into a situation where I say, 'You can't do something that's possible on another platform' in order to benefit. I haven't seen those deals. If that started to happen in the industry, I don't think that's a great thing. I don't know that it has happened."

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Spencer also made it clear he views Xbox One X and what it's capable of as being on a different level than the consoles currently on the market. "I know right now, the technical capability on Xbox One X is beyond… I look at [PS4] Pro, [PS4] Slim, [Xbox One] S as kind of in one category, and then you've got a box, as you said, that can natively do a lot more. Whether developers choose to use the horsepower for framerate, resolution, or just techniques within the frame. I'm not going to dictate that. I've heard this: 'Hey, you should force all games to [run at] 60 [frames per second] or something.' I've never thought forcing the creative process is a way to get great games."

You can watch our full interview with Spencer in the video at the top of this article. He also discussed console wars, Xbox backwards compatibility, and more. For more on what Microsoft had to share this week, check out our roundup of all the Microsoft press conference news.

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= What it's like to be a loser with a losing company. Crap box zero X


PS 4 life.

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@Terminator95: teenage emotions

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@Terminator95: So the company that's worth over $500 billion is the loser not the one that's worth $40 billion? ??

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#@DIOSNY: Right so how does a company worth so much, be so stupid by TRYING to compete against SONY Playstation The KING of Video Game Systems and Games ? How much has Microsoft lost since 2001 with Xbox TRYING to complete against Playstation ?

Their only around because Dumb Microsoft continues to waste their $ on a Failed Video Game system. They can't admit when there beat and have NO chance in hell being number 1 like SONY has Since 1994 !

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@Terminator95: Actually... Nintendo took that crown long ago. Nice try Sony pony.

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@Terminator95: ??? You think this is about video games and stupid fanboy wars.

To MS it's about their ecosystem AKA Windows they make money by selling software to customers it doesn't matter if it's a calculator app on the windows store or Halo on Xbox.

And btw MS destroyed Sony last gen so let's not pretend that's Sony is untouchable if anything they got lucky that DM was the one running Xbox at the beginning of this generation.

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@DIOSNY: Wrong. The PS3 Came back to OUTSELL the Crap Box 360. Try again.

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@Terminator95: actually it didn't

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

And even if it did you're still missing the point it isn't about selling consoles we all know Sony lost hundreds of dollars selling the PS3 even at $600.

Again the money is made on software and the 360 sold a lot more games than the PS3.

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@Terminator95: I dont get it what are they losing? Like when did we become so angry about video game console developers?

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@craigtl: Their losing TONS in Crap Box since day 1 against SONY PLAYSTATION The end.

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@Terminator95: oh i get it now...Just another **** tard saying shit just to say shit..... Xbox got you feeling crampy... you may be on your period... stand tall you're a woman now.

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@rickybobbyxboxonex: Hi @godoftech.

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@rickybobbyxboxonex: How freakin many accounts do you have?

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@rickybobbyxboxonex: paragraphs? Damn dude I got shit to do today.

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@rickybobbyxboxonex: all those technical stuff you posted, do you even know what they are and what impact they can do? stop being a fan

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@rickybobbyxboxonex: i watched the interview yesterday and the guy said was that they are aiming 60fps not that it will be locked on 60fps. Bit later he say that ocassionally the framerate will drop.

And yes,the interview proves that the xbx is a monster console but that doesnt mean you have to act like a spoiled kid...you make other xbox fans look bad.

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@rickybobbyxboxonex: you should be working for gamespot goddamn

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@rickybobbyxboxonex: Longest comment of fanboy gibberish ever.

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@crusadernights: you might not believe it...that is a short version ov his usual comments

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@rickybobbyxboxonex: No job I see.

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It's held back by being a Xbone. Nothing else, if it can't cutloose, it's no better. 4k on a couch? Only casual players would fall for that.

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@water1: buddy, unless you are getting paid hourly or competing for a cash prize all your gaming should be casual. Even if the games you play are hard core. LIVE LIFE!!!!!

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and to ever who created this title, you need fired, cause your no different than any other news, putting words in peoples mouths, Cause that is not what Phil said, you all pushed about the deals, Phil said, even in your article, he didn't know of this. Get better writers

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EG actually asked him about possible deals helding back Xbox One X and he said he doesn't know if such deals exist.

Then GS proceeds to make it look like he was saying PS4 will hold Xbox One X back.

Journalism at its finest!

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Propaganda to distort the fact that Xbox X can't run Destiny at 4K 60 fps like Phil said.

See, it looks very bad for Xbox X not being powerful enough to run Destiny at 4K 60fps after Phil said "no compromises", so you toss out a conspiracy theory and circulate it to try and sway public opinion. Corporations do it all the time, and that is precisely what this is.

It isn't that our hardware is too weak after I told you it could do it...IT, IT, IT IS SONY!

Pathetic.

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@zero_dawn: your comment is pathetic coz Phil NEVER said the ps4 or the pro or the devs are holding the xbox on purpose back.

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#@@sladakrobot: Kiss Phil's A^^.

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Phil can say whatever makes him sleep better, but all companies make deals like these, and Phil saying he doesn't, LMFAO, Who made the tombraider call, and there are many others sense phil has been in charge, just saying

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@renegade67rick: Tomb Raider was a timed exclusive game. Not time exclusive features and it certainly didn't force square enix to make the game inferior later on when ported to the PS4.

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@Bread_or_Decide: Good thing Sony didn't force anyone to do that either.

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@fedor: Well...we don't know for sure but the xbox one x can for certain do destiny 2 at 60fps, 4k. The only reason they wouldn't do it would be because of their deal with sony.

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@Bread_or_Decide: We certainly do not know for sure it could do 4k/60.

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@fedor: its should be we do not know for sure it sony did struck deal with destiny developer on making xbox not powerful

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@MetaMods: I can almost for sure say it wouldn't hit 4k/60. If it did it would be at a low graphics setting then people would just freak out about that instead. All this speculation of otherwise is just Fanboys trying to make themselves feel good.

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@fedor: I agree with you, everyone on here just want to hear that their systems were good but in truth we know its not hitting native 4K/60 as those Sony and MS claim. That why I implied on that reply and hoping people stop be fan on one side and wakt up

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@MetaMods: oh, I get you, my bad.

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@Bread_or_Decide: I was usuing that as an example for his comment about how he didn't like the getn extra stuff on extra systems, to use as an advantage, what did tombraider do, gave ms a year advantage on the game. Althow it workd in PS favor with the deal they got after it did release for it

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The Xbox x won't sale because price and power not anything .

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@playstationzone: Xbox has plenty of games. Stop being a fanboy. I hate when people are grabbing each others throats because they prefer one brand over another. Who cares what platform you play on. Just shut the hell up about it, and enjoy the games instead.

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PS4 and Xbox One were rushed. The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are what the current generation really should have been out the gate. But now both are held back by their lesser original hardwares.

Also, of course he has no bad things to say about Nintendo. I think he views them as completely seperate from Sony/Microsoft... and probably still wants Microsoft to buy them.

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@Elranzer: Facts

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@Elranzer: Nintendo's worth would put minecraft and lucas films to shame. No one could afford it.

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@Bread_or_Decide: That's ridiculous and just plain untrue, larger companies worth way more than Nintendo get bought all the time. Nintendo isn't close to the value of companies like Google, MS, or Apple.

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@b00me: I didn't mention google, ms, or apple.

I mentioned minecraft and lucas films. Both which sold for gigantic amounts. Nintendo is worth more than those.

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Of course companies could make some atrocious deal to mess with its competitors. Not saying Sony did it, but it could do.

Guys, people kill for money. So let's not be naive, please

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@rafoca: While business can definitely interfere with consumer experience, people need to understand business is what it is. I doubt it as well, but would not rush to say it is impossible.

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Say what you will about Microsoft, but Phil Spencer is the best thing to ever happen to Xbox. Microsoft isn't interested in selling hardware because that's not where the money is. The software is the money, which is why Xbox has expanded their 1st party games from the Xbox to Windows 10. I don't see how anybody can criticize trying to get great games to more platforms. It's a win-win situation from every perspective.

Sony is slowly starting to follow suit with PS Now on PC. PS4 games are supposed to be coming to the service soon, and I look forward to that. This is for the benefit of all gamers, and everybody should be on board with wanting to get more great games out to a wider audience.

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@pax_augusta:PS Now is only STREAMING to PC, not actual service!

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@pax_augusta: Shhhh. don't tell the fanboys as this goes way over their heads....on all sides of the "war" :)

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@Daelusca: They need to grow the f**k up ;)

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If anything holds them back it will be their vastly reduced playerbase due to their anticonsumerist drm policy at the start of this generation. He should be more worried about looking inward to that self inflicted damage.

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@deadpeasant: anticosnumerist? isnt used games piracy? isnt that the same Ace card console gamers keep throwing at pc gamers. when console gamers do it its legal, when pcgamers do it for miscellaneous... YELL PIRATES

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@deadpeasant: Why is people still crazy about their DRM stuff... it was a mistake, yes, but they withdrew it VERY quickly, as they saw the reaction.

It was basically a think thats gonna happen sooner rather than later, that they just tried enforcing a little too early...everyone is moving closer and closer to only buying games digitally... and when it's digital, noone is expecting to be able to resell their games anyway.

Xbox has been all about the gamers since the beginning of the Xbone. And I think they've done more than enough to show people that, by now...

Phil Spencer is one of the best people for the world of gaming right now... even for people outside the Microsoft platforms, as they're doing some things, that people are eventually gonna get mad at the competition, if they aren't doing

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@LordCrisp: Microsoft tried to destroy console gaming with no used games and DRM. They quickly switched because they were universally and emphatically rejected by consumers.

And as far as it happening "sooner or later"...that is submission to a fabricated notion of inevitability. The next company to try it will be swan-diving 40 feet into an empty pool. X1 and PS4 sales serves as a shining beacon and example.

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@zero_dawn: "tried to destroy gaming."

Hyperbole thy name is comments section.

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@Bread_or_Decide: the Epitome of Hyperbole

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@deadpeasant: Why do you think Xbox turned to PC? It's the largest player base on the planet and just getting a fraction of PC gamers to buy Xbox 1st parties will be huge for their business. It's the same reason Sony put PS Now on PC. The PC market is just too big to ignore and is too much money to leave on the table. I honestly don't believe Microsoft has a lot to worry about as long as they rebuild their 1st party support. We need more than just Halo, Gears, and Forza.

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