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Final Fantasy 14 Song Claimed as "Unimaginative Theft" by Band

Unimaginative theft or unusual coincidence? You make the call.

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Nu-metal band Powerman 5000 claimed a song in Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn was an "unimaginative theft," saying it sounds similar to their hit "When Worlds Collide." You can hear both songs in the videos below.

The industrial rock band's frontman Spider One (whose real name is Michael Cummings) made the claim on the band's Facebook page (via Polygon). The post said that the "level of unimaginative theft" was "mind-blowing."

"I mean, this is When Worlds Collide!" he explained. "Using something as inspiration is one thing, but a straight up rip off is another! Did they really think no one would notice?"

"When Worlds Collide" is one of Powerman 5000's most well-known songs, being used in video games such as Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater HD, and WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw. The movies Little Nicky and Mission Impossible 2 also feature the song. You can listen to it in the video below.

The similarities were originally brought up on the Final Fantasy XIV forums by user Kerwin. Director Naoki Yoshida responded to the thread, and you can read his full response below.

"Regarding the Music for the 2nd Phase of Containment Bay S1T7

I have read through your comments concerning the BGM for the 2nd phase of the Containment Bay S1T7 battle with Sephirot, and I would like to personally explain how the track was conceived.

As most Final Fantasy fans already know, Sephirot (the Fiend) is a legacy boss character who originally appeared in Final Fantasy VI. When considering how to portray Sephirot's return in Final Fantasy XIV, we decided to pay tribute to FFVI by working VI's 'Battle to the Death' track into the Containment Bay S1T7's first phase, while opting to create an FFXIV original for the second.

Building upon the motif of Sephirot as a representation of the World Tree, to create this Final Fantasy XIV original track, we further incorporated story-driven themes of death and a warped obsession with life, all while utilizing a musical genre─industrial rock─which we believed would provide substantial emphasis to the message.

Industrial rock is a popular genre that can be further divided into numerous sub-genres. Countless songs from these genres have been released worldwide, and I have been made aware of an allegation regarding similarities between an existing track and the track created for the 2nd phase of Containment Bay S1T7. However, track composer Masayoshi Soken, has also stated to me that he was unaware of the track in question while working on this Final Fantasy track.

We hope that you continue to enjoy Final Fantasy XIV battle content."

Cumming has since posted another Facebook update, saying the band is not filing a lawsuit and it wasn't a "cry for attention or publicity."

"The original post was a two-sentence observation about a piece of music that was way too similar to be coincidence," he said. "Since then it has been taken as some sort of declaration of war. Oh, Internet..."

He then said that he's returning to his "normal M.O. of not participating in social media."

What do you think? Is the Final Fantasy song an "unimaginative theft," or is it just an unusual coincidence?

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wow what a blatant rip off, nice one Square Enix.

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I thought this was going to be one of those instances where it was clearly the artist looking for attention, but honestly the FF version is a pretty blatant rip off...

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So you're telling me that the song in the first video (ff 14) is actually used ingame? Maybe that's just me, but I don't really see it fitting. Also, if I wouldn't have read that these are 2 different songs, I'd think its the same song.

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@Acillatem1993: Yeah, why is there a rock song with lyrics during a boss fight? That's weird to me.

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@bluefox755:

Don't take this the wrong way, but have you played FFXIV? Probably half of the Primal battles (especially Titan) have THIS kind of music. It is weird, I know, but its true. First time I heard the Primal battle for Titan, I was a bit confused.

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Totally the same verse, musically. But if they're gonna go there, Powerman owes Rob Zombie a little something for that chorus...hah.

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@InYourMouf: Lead singer is rob zombies brother

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@tracer420: Woah. I didn't know that! Everything makes sense now.

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@tracer420: And that makes it OK to bite the chorus? Maybe someone on the FFXIV development team is related to one of the members of Powerman 5000. Would that make it all OK?

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@otterbee: If u get permission it no big deal I'm rob is happy for his little brother and he probably grew up idolizing his brother o u know he would imitate a little.

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Sounds like they just remixed "When Worlds Collide" and added new lyrics, only a blind fanboy would defend this.

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@hughthehand88: Blind? More like Deaf Fanboy, don't you think?

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First Naughty Dog and now Square-Enix? WTF

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Thought it's just trolling, but the songs really are very similar. I think in this case "coincidence" (even if it's indeed the case) will simply fail on the balance of probability in a court.

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@GhoX: Don't be so sure. Remember the awesome MGS theme from the second game? I don't remember who, but someone sued Konami on the grounds that it was too simlar to a piece of music they wrote, which is why it wasn't allowed to be used in any MGS games prior.

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Old boy needs to calm down. :-/

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There is more than enough difference for it to be coincidence especially when the genre as a whole is taken into consideration. The only reason they aren't taking legal action is because their lawyers probably advised them not to.

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I'm by no means a music major and came into this article ready to tell 'Spider' to shut they hell up but wow. That is just far too similar.

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The style is similar, though it's not a 1:1 similarity. Lyrics are different as well.

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Similar style yes, but I dont think this will hold any water in a court

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@aigis: Like I replied to a poster below, Robin Thicke was accused of copying Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up" with his song "Blurred Lines". The songs were nowhere near as similar as this, yet Marvin Gaye’s family won and was awarded $7.4 million for copyright infringement. You can look up the songs on Youtube and hear for yourself. These guys definitely have a case if the want to pursue this.

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@silentmobius: That was because of the cord progression if im not mistaken. I dont think this has the same problem, but I could be wrong.

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Whoa, I really think Powerman 5000 actually has a legal case here.

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@elheber: nope, similar in style, but not similar enough to win a legal case.

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@Saidrex:Don't be so sure. A jury ruled that Robin Thicke’s song "Blurred Lines" had copied Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up". The songs were quite a bit similar but nowhere near as similar as this, yet Marvin Gaye’s family won and was awarded $7.4 million for copyright infringement.

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