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Nintendo NX Will Use Cartridges, Report Says

Nintendo's next console could use cartridges instead of discs, much like the 3DS.

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Nintendo's NX using cartridges has been reported in the past. Now, it sounds even more likely as the Wall Street Journal has heard from "people familiar with the matter" that the company's next console will pass on discs.

It's important to note that Nintendo's current handheld, the 3DS, also uses cartridges, meaning we could see something similar to that as opposed to the larger cartridges used by the Super Nintendo and N64.

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The main problem with cartridges is that they normally carry less data than discs--PS4 and Xbox One game discs can store up to 50 GB of data and often require further installs on the consoles' hard drives. It's currently unclear how much data an NX cartridge will hold, if real.

Other reports have said the NX is a powerful handheld device with detachable controller modules--these attach to both sides of the screen. Additionally, the system can be docked and used on televisions.

This news comes a day after Nintendo's latest Direct, which focused on the 3DS. Several games were announced including 3DS versions of Super Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World, in addition to new Pikmin and Mario Sports titles.

The NX is expected to release in March 2017. The next games in the Legend of Zelda series, Breath of the Wild, is set to launch simultaneously next year on both the NX and Wii U.

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@7tizz: It's a valid point. I think Nintendo is keen on reining in their 3DS demographic. It's a gamble given the Vita's outcome, BUT, say you have a handheld that is as powerful as wii u or a little better (some indications point to it being less powerful), has a battery that lasts 6-8 hours, can easily doc in a station to display the game on television that reunites Nintendos console and handheld markets, and you have the rumblings of a successful product. It may not compete directly against MS or Sony, but Nintendo is comfortable being the second console in the household.

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@7tizz: Microsoft's 2013 E3 Show was "cannibalistic" marketing xD

P.S. Stay away from big words if you're going to butcher them :D

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@7tizz: Your tears are like fine wine. Bring me more xD

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@7tizz: Physical media itself is stupid. Nintendo needs to go digital.

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@iandizion713: This would piss off far too many gamers for them to even think of going this route in the current market.

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@iandizion713: To be fair, they offer digital on the 3ds/wii u

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--this is not a surprise to me at all
--Nintendo likes to make gaming consoles
--that
--the only way you can 'play' the console's nintendo games
--is on the consoles(iow hard to emulate)

--so
--i also predict a rather STRANGE controller
--that is not your standard traditional style(for nx)

--even gamecube discs were strange and unique
--wii used dvd
--but it required motion controls for most of the games
--and wiiU is a freak of nature

--i actually predict
--than 50 years from today
--wiiU will be one of the most sought after old gaming consoles
--the console's gameplay mechanics suck right now
--because gamers desire ps4/xb1 style games(FPS 3PS space and war simulators with thumbsticks)
--but in the year 2066
--todays thumbsticks and ps4 graphics9and most common genres)
--are gonna look about as intriguing as pong looks today

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@TheZeroPercent: You type weird.

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lolz, paving the way for more junk hardware they just never give up. 'It's all about the gameplay' says Nintendo. 'Yes, it is' says everyone but we are so tired of your really shit graphics you cheapskate losers.

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@blueinheaven: Amen, we want graphics, fack the gimmicks.

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@iandizion713: I want good games...

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The cost of games gonna be massive then, especially for those outside of US and EU territories...ok good to know.

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@CaptainBerserk: No, Flash Media is cheap these days.

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@Elranzer: Yeah but how does that compare to the price of discs? Remember, we are talking millions of copies so proportionally it will be more expensive than traditional discs unless Nintendo takes a loss but i don't see that happening.

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@CaptainBerserk: He's just massively wrong, and he's been spewing the lie that flash media is cheap compared to discs up and down the comment section.

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@CaptainBerserk: Yeah, im predicting $99 for each cartridge.

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Well, it would help if they made physical copies alongside their digital releases as a standard. I just bought Picross 3D Round 2 from the eShop last night resentfully, because there was no physical copy, which is stupid because physical exists in Japan. They're doing the same thing with the new Phoenix Wright, and that just annoys me.

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@JustPlainLucas: New Phoenix Wright is digital only?

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@iandizion713: Yes, because Capcom hates people outside Japan.

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@iandizion713: As far as I know.

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Can cartridges hold as much as a Blue-ray disc?

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@shlompskii: Flash Media currently can hold up to 256GB, which is more than 4-layer Blu-Ray discs can hold (100GB).

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@Elranzer: Yeah and those cost $50+ dollars minimum alone. Not even in the same universe as the cost of a blu ray disc.

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@shlompskii: ... Are you serious? They have micro SD cards that hold over 200GB, which is over four times what a single-layer blu-ray disc can contain. They're just a bit spendier, which is why most companies stick to optical discs.

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@Xirtahm: Yeah, and how much do those cost? Increased cartridge costs will all be passed down to the consumer.

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@dinb: Not as much as you'd think. If you're going back to the 90s, yeah, costs were WAY higher. The only reason why optical media sticks is because discs cost mere pennies to produce. If they use flash media, it's a fraction of what it cost to produce a decade ago.

Again, panicking and assuming games will jump to $70 is an exaggeration. I seriously doubt we'd see a spike like that.

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@Xirtahm: "Not as much as you'd think"

More than $10 when discs cost pennies? Yeah, it's a lot more than you think.

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@Xirtahm: Games are already $79.99 in Canada.

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@dinb: but they aren't going to use micro SD card he was only using them as an example.

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@BigBossWato: Oh Jesus... I do NOT want micro SD games. Can you imagine dropping one of those damn things on the carpet or under the couch?! D:

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I love the immediate negative reaction to this. Flash media has been way cheaper than it was years ago, so the idea of $70+ games again like we had in the 90s is a rather unlikely. That, and optical media is extremely dated tech. We've been using it for over two decades, and aside from media TYPES like CD/DVD/blu-ray, it hasn't evolved as much as we'd like it to. We're still having to sit through long load times and installations.

Not to mention how much faster data loads with flash media. There'd be no more need to install the game. Save files can be stored on the cart itself (REMEMBER THOSE DAYS, KIDS?). Yeah, the production costs will rise, but having a system that doesn't rely on a spinning disc drive is a nice change, for once.

I say "wait and see" instead of crying a fit. I've been saying for years that optical media needs to be phased out in favor of something else.

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@Xirtahm: Bluray and DVD and other optical media are good for films and music, but are very ill suited for gaming, since gaming requires speed for loading and installation.

Even HDD which in essence is just another form of outdated spinning media, is too antiquated for gaming.

The quicker we phase out spinning media for gaming the better. Its ridiculous that in the year 2016, I'm still waiting for my Street Fighter V stages to load. Get fck outta here, even back in the 1992, I wasn't waiting for Street Fighter to load. Hell, if Street Fighter 2 took as long to load as Street Fighter V the game would have bombed at the arcades.

Hell even back on Sega Saturn I was booting my Street Fighter game off of a Static Ram Card, there was zero load time.

Flash forward to 2016, I'm waiting for Street Fighter to LOAD. We've actually digressed in gaming in terms of storage and booting.

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@Xirtahm: Flash media is still over an order of magnitude more expensive than discs. To say cost isn't a factor is simply patently untrue.

There is a reason DS and 3DS games went to $40 from $30. (A 33% increase!) And that reason is production costs.

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@Thanatos2k: I wouldn't say the price increase is the cost of the flashcards, since those cards are dirt cheap, considering they are read only cards, if anything the flashcards of the DS era cost more to manufacturer.

If any increases in prices for handhelds are to be, its because of the fact that handhelds are now more graphically intensive with CGI cutscenes and voice acting. Back in the days a handheld game was nothing more than some cheap text and some sprite graphics.

I think the final move to SS storage is a great move especially for gaming.

But DVD and Bluray are still good for movies since there is no need for speedier media for films.

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@Xirtahm:

You're probably correct on the need for optical media needing to be phased out in favor of something else. But normally technology tends to go FORWARD and not backward.

You don't often see a technology phased out by the technology that preceded it.

Generally speaking, I think the idea was that physical media was going to be phased out completely by digital distribution once countries like the U.S. finally got some better bandwidth providers.

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@BeefoTheBold: These "carts" would be Flash Media, which is newer than optical disc media. Old cartridges were not Flash Media.

So you're right, kinda, just not in the way you think... new media will be replaced by newer media.

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@BeefoTheBold: 100% digital has never been something I have embraced (or ever will, for that matter). While I enjoy the fact that it's an optional direction gamers can take part in today, the mere fact that you're only paying to "access" the game, and not actually owning it is what hurts it. As long as your account exists and remains active, you have access to your entire library. I'm not saying that something absurdly chaotic will happen (like Steam getting shut down), but the mere idea of not exactly owning my entire library isn't very reassuring.

Losing everything you ever collected in your digital library because of a disabled account or hack? While highly unlikely, the risk is still there. That's why I think digital distribution should remain an option, and not the one and only means to purchase major releases. :/

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@Xirtahm: I'd say the bigger problem with 100% digital is the notion of DRM. With PC there's outlets like GOG and Humble selling DRM-free releases. Once you have the downloads, those digital retailers could go belly up or your account could be axed and it wouldn't matter for your DRM-free stuff. On consoles however, I'm doubtful we'll get to this point. :\ Which sucks since there's gems on each console's marketplace that may vanish either to their networks or legalities in the future.

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@Xirtahm:

I'm not 100% digital either, though I'm certainly closer now than I was a few years ago. Like you I have a small bit of paranoia of losing my game collection.

But kind of my overall point remains. I don't disagree with your premise that eventually we need the "next" technology to phase out optical media.

I just find it an unusual thing to suggest that the technology that optical media itself replaced is the technology that is a good choice to phase out optical media. Seems like a bit of a stretch to me.

It's a little like suggesting that somebody will eventually be phased out by their parents instead of their children.

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@BeefoTheBold: No no, I get the logic. I'm not disagreeing. I know optical is favored mostly because production costs are insanely cheap. The problem is that outside of the other options, we're not seeing much forward progress aside from digital distribution.

I'd LOVE to see something new entirely.

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I look forward to the return of cartridges. It'll make for a more stable system that produces less heat and less wear and tear. Will also make for a cheaper console as well. Storage isn't really an issue anymore and the read rates are much higher then from optical disk or HDD's.

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@Archangel3371: They're way more expensive though. I know 10gig or less flash drives tend to be just a few dollars, but discs can be manufactured in the cost of CENTS.

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@Barighm: Blu-Ray discs are NOT as cheap as CD and DVD were, especially with all of the patents license fees involved.

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@Elranzer: Did I say they were? Nope. And I'm still certain it costs more to create a respectably sized flash cart for today's gaming needs.

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It will be interesting to see how true this is, but on the bright side, flash memory is a hell of a lot cheaper now than it used to be, especially since you can get a 64GB SD card for less than 15 bucks.

At the same time, I would hope that they don't do like they did with the Wii and Wii U and not offer a decent amount of internal storage.

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@ad1x2: 64GB flash cart (which is larger than a dual-layer Blu-Ray disc, which is what PS4 uses), can be manufactured for ones of dollars. $15 is just what consumers pay for a finished product (and really, 64GB cards go for $10 or less even for consumers now).

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@ad1x2: But is it flash memory? Flash is known to die unexpectedly in just a few years. Those old NES cartridges still work multiple decades later, so it can't be the same tech. Don't know the cost of this tech.

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@Barighm: Flash stops being writable after a number of writes. It's not unexpected, and it's not based on time. It doesn't stop being readable.

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@Elranzer: Well, that's counter to everything I read. I'm gonna pass on your comment.

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*Utter Lack of Surprise*

Its Nintendo's Innuendo...

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