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President Trump's Video Games Meeting Included A Violent Game Montage

Trump's roundtable with the games industry has taken place.

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President Donald Trump's administration today hosted a roundtable meeting to discuss the subject of violence in video games and their effects on young players. It brought together various representatives from the video game industry, including the heads of the ESA, ESRB, and Take-Two, as well as lawmakers and individuals who have assigned blame for violent incidents to video games in the past. Although it was closed to the press as it happened, here's what we've since learned about the discussion.

The White House has yet to comment on the meeting. In lieu of an official transcript, we only have after-the-fact comments and a Washington Post report to clue us in as to what was talked about. Trump apparently started the meeting by showing off video of unspecified violent games, which has since been released on YouTube. It shows particularly violent, context-free moments from Fallout 4, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (the infamous No Russian scene), and The Evil Within, among others. You can watch it below.

According to the report, there were calls from those in the meeting, including Media Research Council president Brent Bozell, for "much tougher regulation" that would treat games like tobacco and liquor. In a statement released on Twitter after the meeting, Rep. Vicky Hartzler (a Republican from Missouri) said that she believes in an "all-encompassing approach" and that discussion should not be limited to just video games. She called for similar meetings to be held with members of the movie industry, adding, "Today's meeting was an opportunity to learn and hear from different sides to violence in schools. I believe significant progress was made today, and my hope is that we can build on the progress in the future."

Sen. Marco Rubio (a Republican from Florida) pointed out there has been "no evidence" suggesting the Parkland shooter was motivated by playing video games. He added that he wants to "mak[e] sure parents are aware of the resources available to them to monitor and control the entertainment their children are exposed to."

The Washington Post story offers little of the games industry's side during the meeting, except to say they refuted the alleged connection between games and real-life acts of violence. The Entertainment Software Association, the industry's lobbying group that is also responsible for organizing E3, was also in attendance and released a statement this afternoon.

"We welcomed the opportunity today to meet with the President and other elected officials at the White House," a spokesperson said. "We discussed the numerous scientific studies establishing that there is no connection between video games and violence, First Amendment protection of video games, and how our industry's rating system effectively helps parents make informed entertainment choices. We appreciate the President's receptive and comprehensive approach to this discussion."

Although he was not in attendance, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (a Democrat from Connecticut) issued a statement decrying the attempt to deflect attention from the issue of gun control. "I'm willing to look at anything and everything that may help address the gun violence epidemic that has swept our country--including addressing the culture of violence many see in America today," he said. "But there is an urgent need now for meaningful action on extreme risk protection orders, expanded background checks, and banning assault weapons. Blaming video games or the entertainment media for the 90 American lives lost every single day to gun violence is an unacceptable excuse to avoid talking about serious policy proposals."

Today's meeting was hastily announced last week in the wake of the recent tragedy in Parkland. White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Trump would be "meeting with members of the video game industry to see what they can do on that front." At the time, no specifics were shared about who would be involved, and the ESA said it had not heard anything about it. The specifics of the meeting then came into focus this week, though a list of attendees was not made public until less than a day before it was set to take place.

Trump has suggested that violent video games are a problem in the past, tweeting that they are "creating monsters" back in 2012. After the shooting in Parkland, he referenced how he's been told "the level of violence in video games is really shaping young people's thoughts." He went on to suggest that a movie and or video games rating board is needed, despite the fact that those already exist in the US in the form of the MPAA and ESRB.

More broadly, lawmakers have taken issue with violent video games for more than 25 years. An uproar around the violence in games like Mortal Kombat is what led to the founding of the ESRB, which is a self-regulatory body. After the Sandy Hook school shooting, then-Vice President Joe Biden also met with the games industry to discuss violence, though that ultimately had little impact in terms of legislation. Most notably, a 2011 ruling by the Supreme Court struck down a bill that would have blocked the sale of violent video games to minors.

Studies have yet to connect the motives of shooters with a connection to violent video games. In fact, there's research that suggests school shooters may be less interested in violent games than other people. The ESA has frequently cited the fact that games are played internationally as further evidence that they are not to blame: "Video games are plainly not the issue: entertainment is distributed and consumed globally, but the US has an exponentially higher level of gun violence than any other nation," it said recently. A recent Washington Post story further suggests this is a US-centric problem.

Video games often take the blame at times like this, but whether any of this talk results in real legislation remains to be seen. Drafting laws is a challenging process, and without a convincing scientific argument, it may prove difficult to pass a bill. One thing is for sure, though: This is unlikely to be the last time we see politicians pursue this path.

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Considering Trump's constant spread of hate and racism to anyone who isn’t white, no one should take his opinion on the “damaging” effect from video games on people. His own damaging effect on this country will be far worse.

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!@#$ Trump.

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Trump has already repealed Net Neutrality months ago and now the internet does not even work anymore just like everyone said would happen !!!!

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Simply put, it's bullshit :D

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Wish I was paid to waste time on meetings about issues that don't correspond to data and weren't associated with my primary duties and have them televised and echoed through media institutions that partially agree or fully agree that target voters who selected me not to have any such meeting at all.

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Considering the US has a PRESIDENT who constantly tweets and rallies racist and hateful rhetoric towards anyone that isn't white, I'm sure video games is the least of this country's problem.

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Bigger article about less than not much of anything than that of a PS4 firmware.

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They are aiming at video game violence and movies, what about the news, so much violence broadcast on the news every day but they don't stop that?

People that are violent to other people allready have those tendencies before hand to be able to act on them. People that do those things already have problems arising from other reasons such as bullying, financial problems, propoganda, the list is long.

The average person is intelligent enough to know right from wrong and does not do such things.

I play all kinds of video games every day, and NEVER have I wanted to go and harm other people in real life.

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Now what? Kratos drows flowers to the enemies? Pff I hate people that searchs scapegoats.

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Oh hey, a comments section on a political article that isn't locked due to censoring peoples opinions. That's New.

What you think I don't notice things Gamespot? Pfft...please.

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I've been playing games for over 30 years, and the only thing to date that has made me want to hurt something, is Donald Trump.

So can you guys over there just ban Donald Trump please.

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@nomadski69: same for me, i was here since the begining, saw all of them, from the cbm 64 version which did include a pill of false blood, had my part of street fighting and namco game, many cod and i'm not a gun crazy planning to mass murder in some school. in france we have the same problems with guns from the last balkan wars, the closer comes the war, the closer comes the guns. i usually avoid mp games since i dont accepte to get insulted by some 12 years overweighted veteran of cod.

i'm more the tactical shooter guy with a taste for stealth action ^^.

cant wait to clean up new hope montana lol

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Americans believe that their right to arms is keeping them safe, when the opposite is true... but try telling them that

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@the-games-masta: Compromise isn't in their vocabulary. They see this as strength. They see dialogue as subversion. They don't trust their fellow Americans, which is ironic as you'd think the unarmed would be more distrustful...

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I have always defended the rights of video game devs having the right to artistic freedom. Since they have ratings on them to prevent kids from playing violent video games, that should absolve them from liability. SHOULD... but it seems blaming the tools mentally disturbed people use to commit crimes is what's in fashion again, & if people think making a law to stop guns from being accessible to kids will work, then it can't be too good for other protected rights. If that's what we're doing now, ban it up, so we can prove how ineffective it is to focus on the tools & not the culture or the people committing these crimes (or the ineptitude of government, in which a majority of the country must rely on in these cases of violence, & even moreso when you keep people from protecting themselves at certain ages).

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Yawn. Porn also destroys love. Right?

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@Riddick123: Divorce lawyers love porn. Why? Oh lol because what you said. Love, it kills a relationship. And lawyers get paid out the ass lol.

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We all know that violent video games don't cause violence. No it's just bad people making bad decisions with powerful weaponry. Those bad people are products of neglect, environment and mental illness.

Lets call this for what it is. This is the government way to tax video games the "multi billion dollar industry". "Money" let me say that again, MONEY MONEY and more MONEY is the reason they trying to use violent video games as a scapegoat. That is the honest damn truth so help me GOD. Somebody with some balls and connection should call them out on it and make a mockery of them for trying to muscle the gaming industry for money.

It's like the Mafia forcing business tax. They see an opportunity to gain a huge income to governmental spending and this is their scapegoat.

If violent video games get taxed what does that do to the industry and their shareholders. It will cause hell for the consumers. Because publishers are going to be forced to find a way to make more income to prevent loss. That means more micro-transactions and all kinds of other bullshit means to make money off the consumer.

As a consumer of video games my self we need to stand up to this nonsense. Hell playing games as a child kept me off the streets and let me tell you I grew up in some fucked up neighbor hoods throw out America. Some that made 1st 48hrs TV series. In my youth I had friends that walked around with weapons they got off the streets not even registered smh. Games are a fun passionate entertainment hobby along with movies. Look at the UK. They play video games all the time and don't have the problem we have here in America. Our problem is in the streets. At home with parenting, at school with teaching, our medical needs, but most importantly at the gun store with military grade rifles. I believe in the right to bare arms but to a certain extent. A standard pistol is all that is needed to protect your person and home. Not a military grade AR. As for hunting rifles. A robust screening process should be made to allow only those clinically sane and eligible enough to go hunt. As for training. That should be under controlled surveillance at shooting ranges.

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@legendaryh1tman: ....I totally agree with all you have said...i have played video games most of my life, BUT to think you could take that into the REAL world is just plain crazy, games are simply an outlet, an enjoyable ...time out... if one may say, i am not an American but i have expressed these views before to some other of your locals.....*who cry bloody murder*... here where i live the streets in general i am sure are generally a safer place than some of your areas....BUT still i quite agree a handgun is all that is needed in terms of your right to bare arms....so the access to more powerful weapons , screening and venting, has to be nipped in the bud at the SOURCE !....this trying to use games is just a farce, to deflect from the issue !....but i say this once again i think your NRA....holds too much power, and that probably also hails back to money, and it all goes around in a vicious circle, i just hope some common sense prevails, before some more crazy murders happen !

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@legendaryh1tman: The only problem I have with your statement is the AR and hunting rifle portion. Rifles account for a tiny percentage of deaths in the US, like in the hundreds a year. While pistols have thousands upon thousands of deaths a year. I would look up the number but its early and I'm lazy. People get caught up on the idea of an AR like they are all automatic and cause devastation across the country, when they don't. Pistols are the main killer in weapon based crimes and shootings but people still want to ban rifles. I chalk it up to ignorance of the stats and guns themselves. There is already a screening process for buying guns in the US, how robust it is can be considered a matter of opinion, but it exists. The issue is how do you screen for evil, that's the difficult part.

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@WuShogun212: I hear you but what is the percentage of types of weapons used during mass shootings? That's the main issue that is catching the headlines. AR's to me when I watch the news seem to be the main culprits, and most importantly the modifications that enable them to be used in full auto mode. Like the Vegas shooting.

Weapons like drugs will always be smuggled in on the streets. There has been many shootings with weapons not registered or weapons that are registered usually sold or stolen from their owners. UK is safe because it has one of the highest levels of surveillance in the world. Hell you can't even speed on most streets with out getting flashed by a camera, I know I used to live in Europe when stationed there as a U.S. Soldier. My suggestion is that our security infrastructure needs to be greatly improved my opinion, on top of more strict gun laws.

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@legendaryh1tman: there is no but after I believe in 2nd amendment. Either you do as it's interpreted by Supreme Court, or you don't. There was no internet when 1st amendment was written, so we need to restrict it because the founders couldn't have had this amount of hatred used to fuel violence in mind when writing it, & that issue has not been addressed by the Supreme Court. We need to start at the top of we're rewriting the constitution.

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Oh did know trump wants teachers have guns what happen teacher turns on a kid .

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@playstationzone: What happens if you walk outside and get hit by a car?

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@WuShogun212: We amend the Constitution to remove the right to drive cars.

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All thanks to trump that days gone getting delayed for PS4 . My guess have change the game because trump complaining about 18 videogames.

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you cant buy MA and other such game viloent games with out being 18, which means PARENTS are buying the game for the person, which means it parents fault in first place for buying it give it to there kid, government does not need to involved in this, government does need to get involved with the Cash shop loot box that keen to gambling at this point though, which online gamble isnt really legal in many states

Parents that DONT care what there kid is playing just so it keep there kid out there hair is the problem.

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Here's what wasn't discussed:

The FBI investigating the NRA for receiving $70M from Russian agents, which it then promptly spent on getting Trump ($31M) and other GOPers elected....all of which is a crime.

Also not discussed: All the studies showing violent video games don't cause violence. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pop-psych/201610/violence-in-games-does-not-cause-real-life-violence

Also not discussed: Trump and the GOP making it easier for severely mentally ill people to obtain guns as one of the first things they did after he was sworn in (so please roll your eyes in their faces whenever some ammosexual GOP-voter starts blabbering about the "mental illness" being the real and only issue).

On February 2, 2017 the House passed H.J. Res. 40 which prevents the Social Security Administration from reporting to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) the names of individuals with a severe, medically documented mental disability who also require a designated representative to oversee their benefits. This reporting requirement was included in 1968 gun safety legislation. This resolution makes it easier for someone with a documented mental disability to buy a gun. The President signed H.J. Res. 40 on February 28, 2017

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Anything to put out more articles with Trump’s name on it.

Count those clicks!

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lol... clowns voted a clown into office and now those clowns are complaining about it. Shocker.

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@khanwashere: from france it look like donald mc ronald lol

see you in the (not so) funny papers...

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The government doesn't want to stop mass shootings and as soon as the public gets that through their heads they will start to see the politicians for the snakes they are. As long as the hot button issues exist there is always a bad politician who can get reelected because of his stance on said issue.

Trump calling out the video game industry is nothing more than a sleight of hand magic trick. Watch him talk about video games being the issue while avoiding doing anything about protecting schools or what every they think will work. Same thing magicians do. Watch one hand while the other hand does the trick.

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@bluesunmerc: The NRA pays the GOP to help perpetuate this cycle:

Barely regulated gun sales > more guns in circulation > more people getting guns who shouldn't have one > more gun violence > more fear > even more barely regulated gun sales > even more guns in circulation > even more people getting guns who shouldn't have one > even more gun violence > even more fear........sales sales sales sales sales......

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@esqueejy: Honestly the talk of gun control at this point in the argument is dumb. My reason for this is the guns are out there they have been for years. Elected officials need to start passing laws that protect schools. I.E arming certain faculty (that wants to carry) or a better alternative is hiring cops that their only job is to sit at the school all day and once school starts the doors are locked and for parents to get their children out early or to come eat lunch with them must call ahead of time. Granted this wont stop school shootings and at this point nothing can.

That is why i say you provide training to teachers who want it or idk the government could do its job and budget better to allow for cops to stationed at schools and not just a rooky run of the mill cop but a cop that has had training in school shooting scenarios and as such should be provided with the right gear and not just a 9mil glock.

I understand both sides of the argument I think that stricter laws should be placed and owning a weapon should be hard and buying one should be hard, but that wont fix the issue as it stands now you need to have protection at schools. People can talk about money and manpower all day but thats where we are because even if they banned weapons today there could still be another shooting tomorrow or the next day etc.

All Trump is doing is making it look like he is doing something and any democrat that would be in office would do the same thing. Dems dont want weapons banned and nor do republicans. Why? because as long as weapons are out there one side can get voted in because they will get rid of the guns and one side can get voted in because they will keep guns around. Its a cycle that has and will continue. This is what you get when you have a government that is run the way ours is.

Not that I am an sort of Trump supporter I didn't like him nor did I like Hillary but even if she was in office should would be pulling the same tactics because if she banned guns now how would she get reelected next election or how would the next dem get elected if they couldnt talk about how they were going to ban the guns.

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"A ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2011 found that video games are a constitutionally-protected form of expression"

Parents should be the responsible party to decide if their child has access to such content. making a mandated change means going against the "constitutionally-protected form of expression". is it wrong...maybe not. i have no issue with stores enforcing a policy that restricts purchasing a game with a M rating. most stores follow this policy already.

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sure, put a ban on who can buy violent video games, then you guys can think of what to do until the next mass shooting happens.

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@nibbin1191: How good are you at bird law?

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@nibbin1191: Lets say you and I go toe-to-toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

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They really used footage from Wolfenstein TNO in the White House video... I mean, several decades ago, we were ENCOURAGING American boys to cut Nazi throats!

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In America, can a kid go and buy an 18 rated game in a game store? They don't need their parents with them?

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@snubbull: although its is true, its not illegal for a store to sell the content...most about 99% enforce it to avoid the bad rep.

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@snubbull: no, parents will be needed if they are under aged, but many parents don't check/care what type of game they are getting their kids

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@snubbull: From what I heard from my nephews, no. They always needed a parent there to allow the purchase.

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