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President Trump's Video Games Meeting Included A Violent Game Montage

Trump's roundtable with the games industry has taken place.

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President Donald Trump's administration today hosted a roundtable meeting to discuss the subject of violence in video games and their effects on young players. It brought together various representatives from the video game industry, including the heads of the ESA, ESRB, and Take-Two, as well as lawmakers and individuals who have assigned blame for violent incidents to video games in the past. Although it was closed to the press as it happened, here's what we've since learned about the discussion.

The White House has yet to comment on the meeting. In lieu of an official transcript, we only have after-the-fact comments and a Washington Post report to clue us in as to what was talked about. Trump apparently started the meeting by showing off video of unspecified violent games, which has since been released on YouTube. It shows particularly violent, context-free moments from Fallout 4, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (the infamous No Russian scene), and The Evil Within, among others. You can watch it below.

According to the report, there were calls from those in the meeting, including Media Research Council president Brent Bozell, for "much tougher regulation" that would treat games like tobacco and liquor. In a statement released on Twitter after the meeting, Rep. Vicky Hartzler (a Republican from Missouri) said that she believes in an "all-encompassing approach" and that discussion should not be limited to just video games. She called for similar meetings to be held with members of the movie industry, adding, "Today's meeting was an opportunity to learn and hear from different sides to violence in schools. I believe significant progress was made today, and my hope is that we can build on the progress in the future."

Sen. Marco Rubio (a Republican from Florida) pointed out there has been "no evidence" suggesting the Parkland shooter was motivated by playing video games. He added that he wants to "mak[e] sure parents are aware of the resources available to them to monitor and control the entertainment their children are exposed to."

The Washington Post story offers little of the games industry's side during the meeting, except to say they refuted the alleged connection between games and real-life acts of violence. The Entertainment Software Association, the industry's lobbying group that is also responsible for organizing E3, was also in attendance and released a statement this afternoon.

"We welcomed the opportunity today to meet with the President and other elected officials at the White House," a spokesperson said. "We discussed the numerous scientific studies establishing that there is no connection between video games and violence, First Amendment protection of video games, and how our industry's rating system effectively helps parents make informed entertainment choices. We appreciate the President's receptive and comprehensive approach to this discussion."

Although he was not in attendance, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (a Democrat from Connecticut) issued a statement decrying the attempt to deflect attention from the issue of gun control. "I'm willing to look at anything and everything that may help address the gun violence epidemic that has swept our country--including addressing the culture of violence many see in America today," he said. "But there is an urgent need now for meaningful action on extreme risk protection orders, expanded background checks, and banning assault weapons. Blaming video games or the entertainment media for the 90 American lives lost every single day to gun violence is an unacceptable excuse to avoid talking about serious policy proposals."

Today's meeting was hastily announced last week in the wake of the recent tragedy in Parkland. White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Trump would be "meeting with members of the video game industry to see what they can do on that front." At the time, no specifics were shared about who would be involved, and the ESA said it had not heard anything about it. The specifics of the meeting then came into focus this week, though a list of attendees was not made public until less than a day before it was set to take place.

Trump has suggested that violent video games are a problem in the past, tweeting that they are "creating monsters" back in 2012. After the shooting in Parkland, he referenced how he's been told "the level of violence in video games is really shaping young people's thoughts." He went on to suggest that a movie and or video games rating board is needed, despite the fact that those already exist in the US in the form of the MPAA and ESRB.

More broadly, lawmakers have taken issue with violent video games for more than 25 years. An uproar around the violence in games like Mortal Kombat is what led to the founding of the ESRB, which is a self-regulatory body. After the Sandy Hook school shooting, then-Vice President Joe Biden also met with the games industry to discuss violence, though that ultimately had little impact in terms of legislation. Most notably, a 2011 ruling by the Supreme Court struck down a bill that would have blocked the sale of violent video games to minors.

Studies have yet to connect the motives of shooters with a connection to violent video games. In fact, there's research that suggests school shooters may be less interested in violent games than other people. The ESA has frequently cited the fact that games are played internationally as further evidence that they are not to blame: "Video games are plainly not the issue: entertainment is distributed and consumed globally, but the US has an exponentially higher level of gun violence than any other nation," it said recently. A recent Washington Post story further suggests this is a US-centric problem.

Video games often take the blame at times like this, but whether any of this talk results in real legislation remains to be seen. Drafting laws is a challenging process, and without a convincing scientific argument, it may prove difficult to pass a bill. One thing is for sure, though: This is unlikely to be the last time we see politicians pursue this path.

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Funny that games are played worldwide but in the western world only America has problems with shooting up schools.

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@walbo: Yep, and over 80% of serial killers are America alone. Their culture is fucked and always has been.

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@Random_Matt: where’s your source for that information. I’d like to believe everyone around the world are equally fucked up.

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@restatbonfire: 1) Tons of research.

2) I picked one, yes i was wrong. 67.41% lol.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-have-produced-the-most-serial-killers.html

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@Random_Matt: I guess the "random" in your username refers to how you just randomly pull stats out of your ass. Even if your percentages were off, it's hard to dispute that Americans are generally just batshit crazy.

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Violent video games are supposedly (usually are) rated M. Meaning that they are for those 17 or older, not really children anymore. Should they be played by those younger than 17 it falls to the parent/guardian who allowed them to do so.

I don't buy the line that games are so influential on young minds as to cause all of these issues. Contribute, maybe, but there is so much else going on that it's probably negligible anyway.

As for guns, sale laws really aren't much of the problem, it's after the sale that's an issue. The majority of (~80%, though figures are hard to come by and vary) intentional gun killings are done by people with a gun they didn't buy legally. It was either stolen, borrowed, or illegally purchased. Stricter and more importantly enforced laws on illegal firearms and heavy repercussions on owners who fail to report stolen or loaned firearms would go a long ways. But we all know common sense laws get ignored. The fact that your firearm was stolen shouldn't be an excuse, keep it locked up, or check on it regularly, but take responsibility for your ownership, if you cannot I don't see why you should be allowed to own them.

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Well, the kids in Florida(and community) that did nothing about this killer before hand demanded something be done so it does not happen again so meeting like this have to take place.

Don't go after folks guns, get the Archer not the arrows. the bottom line kids killing other kids that they go to school with at school is a major problem and something is wrong and needs to be addressed.

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If it were an issue, they'd be able to at least come up with a single study to prove their side and they can't even do that.

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@sargentpsgamer: Quite right. As for Bozell perhaps a name change to Bozo would be appropriate. The same as tobacco and liquor indeed. Not even in the same ballpark. Fool.

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Really if people cant tell real from entertainment then there is something wrong. Everything should be banned what got slightest violence in it.

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Of all the gaming experiences I've had, and I've been around since the mega drive, the airport level in MW2 is definitely the most questionable. I've sliced off heads, beaten up hookers, tortured and teabagged my way through countless games without a second thought but that one left a sour taste. I don't know why they chose to do it. Shock value presumably, but I knew as soon as I played it that it would be a rallying call for those seeking to censor violence in video games. It was very irresponsible.

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@dar33: yeah I remember honestly feeling remorse after playing that.

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@dar33:

Yeah. I love violent video games but I could definetly do without shit like that. Even though you can do that in gta, you're not supposed to and you don't have to to progress. All those other clips just looked like Friday the 13th and glorious bastard to me but that one was different.

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@michael-ibbett: Yeah that's it. GTA is mindless. It's the sort of thing you can say well it's not the purpose of the game. It's just giving you a world to do what you want with. Actually setting up a mass shooting as a level though? It just stunk of a PR stunt and now it'll be used to argue for tighter control. It stands out as a scene. The president will say hey wait what was going on there? Why are civilians being gunned down and honestly there isn't a solid excuse for it.

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Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not the answer. A deeper and more restrictive background and record check may be helpful, but disarming us would only leave the sane folks unarmed against the mad men who more than likely purchased or acquired their weapons illegally to begin with. The simple fact of the matter is, if someone really wants to commit a shooting crime, they will find access to a gun no matter what, but taking guns away entirely will only make it to where the good guys can't fire back or potentially save someone from harm by acting first and disabling the ones intending to do fatal harm to others.

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@jayskoon93: Nobody is going to take your guns. They might prevent high school age kids from buying them, and they might require more background checks for anybody that wants to buy one, but nobody is going to come for your guns. It's not realistic or feasible and we'd all die of old age before any kind of disarmament bill actually passed.

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guns will be a problem if they don't stop it, using videogames as a scapegoat instead of facing the real issue will be worse for everyone, in countries where guns are controlled people get stabbed but at least they don't gun down 30 guys in a school shooting. also most don't care because there's quite a lot of people that would rather keep their hobby with guns instead of being conscious that people are dying, and that's a real problem.

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This is laughable.

https://www.gofundme.com/video-game-research-project

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Isn't the USA in a sort of stalemate situation? They have a constitutional right to bear arms and at the same time have a constitutional right to freedom of expression. The whole argument of gun laws and video games being a cause, sort of cancels itself out. As these Amendments can be used to argue each case.

I think with this sort of thing they look for an easy answer, something to blame. Helps the defence lawyers etc. But I think we just need to face the fact the people that perform these acts are unhinged. And if it wasn't one thing that influenced them it would be another, if it wasn't a gun it would be a knife etc etc. There are no easy answers. I think it kind of belittles the victims to try and point the blame at anywhere but the person involved.

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@Fallenlords69: Proper enforcement of laws and personal responsibility go a long way toward safety. Holding psychos accountable for horrific acts of violence without blasting their name and face across every media outlet also helps a lot.

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@tnielsen2010: If you have a determined individual nothing will matter. Any obstacles you put in their way, they will overcome. If they are determined. One determined individual can change history, but not always in a good way.

What we need to start doing is holding that individual to account for their actions, not looking for excuses as to why they did what they did. You can create new laws etc that give us a perception of safety, but in most cases you impact the people that have done absolutely nothing wrong. Most times a sort of knee-jerk reaction so the politicians can be seen to be doing something. But nothing will change while they keep blaming external sources. This isn't the fault of the NRA or the Video Games Industry, this is down to a specific person and their abhorrent actions.

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NWO, Planed Attacks, Gun Control, Crisis Actors, MK Ultra, Deep State, False Flag, Idiocracy, Sheep.

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