PS3, Wii sales slow in Japan

This is a surprise because.....????

Meh... Downswings happen. Things will pick up when the next rush of big games hit.

meh not that big of a deal in the long run if they all keep at it, it will end fine. Wii sells as expected, PS3 was never meant to be bought by every one and most people with an affinity for shooters already have a 360.

The_Tombo, of course they will continue making games for the PS3 besides the ones I mentioned, that's why I said, "...and a few others...". The questions is will there be enough of them, how soon before they come out and will they be exclusive to the PS3?

The 360 has too many shooter games. C'mon, you gotta appeal to the whole audience.

ReggieNameTaker, that's not gonna happen... they're SONY! They NEVER back down until global domination! Seriously, i think that Sony is more persistant than Microsoft.

Sony and nintendo are pathetic! there complaining they aren't selling enough consoles. That's because they aren't giving any to our shops! i live in europe in Cardiff (Wales capital) and ive been waiting for the wii to be in stock for over a month! and the ps3 isn't even out here yet they are so stupid, they always ignore europe! i'm sick of it!

undox , That's not gonna happen...they're MICROSOFT! They NEVER back down until global domination. If anybody should quit it's sony, the PS3 is just a repeat of Sega's mistakes....

Microsoft should just quit. Even with Blue Dragon, they can't win. They should cut their loses and go third-party.

Interesting but since GS wants to point out the 360's running in Japan as "distant 3rd" I'll tak the liberty to point out that the PS3 is a distant 3rd overall, a statistic far more important than just a single country. MS's best bet is to just continue what they are doing and not worry about the Japanese. They are very biased in their tastes, but meanwhile th rest of the world has very similar and much more varied tastes. Besides, th fact that the 360 isn't dominated by just Japanese games makes it stand out. Also since they are getting a lot of new games that is a plus too since the games on PS3 are mostly old and tired same game you played 10 years ago with new and improved graphics! Yay!

I completely agree. For $100 more than X360 premium you get: Blu-ray (worth the $100 all by itself, espescially when standalone bluray players are $600-$1000+) HDMI Bluetooth USB Devices/Drive support -- X360 doesn't support USB drives, you have to buy their ridiculously overpriced 20gb proprietary drive and 20gb is max. Cell processor User upgradable harddrive Sony style and build quality-- No drive tray, Internal Power supply, near silent operation, Touch sensitive power/eject buttons, looks awesome (these don't make a difference for the games, but I would've paid $100 for the extra quality differences anyway) Controllers that are rechargeable right out of the box (no extra batteries or after thought recharge kit needed) Free internet play (over the life of the console this will almost make the PS3 pay for itself) Access to PS2 library of games For games: Lair (looking unbelievable), Final Fantasy, MGS 4, Devil May Cry, Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword

Kfrog are you dumb or are you just acting dumb? I think they will continue to make games for the ps3 besides metal gear solid 4...

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Nintendo or Sony headquarters in Japan. I bet Nintendo of America or Europe is having a different conversation though...

It figures. Sony puts a great piece of hardware out there with all these technical achievements built into it. HDMI, Blu-ray, 1080p. Wow, Great, Cool! But as Microsoft has shown, for many years now, it's all about the software, the games. I think the hardware is ahead of the software. There just are not enough exclusive killer apps for the PS3 to justify many people buying one. Sure there is Resistance, MGS4 is coming soon and a few others. Once you play them then what? Watch Blu-ray movies? I don't even see any must have movies on Blu-ray disk yet. (or HD-DVD for that matter). I think once the developers get more and better quality games out there sales of the PS3 will pick up. Technically it's probably the best system out there. But what good is a saddle if you don't have a good horse to put it on?

ok the ps3 sucks. the wii is doing pretty good the motion sensing thing is just as much as a "gimmick" as the touch screen on the ds and look how well thats doing. and why is everyone whining about the 360 doing in japan its the only respectible system , it dominates here in north america, and why should microsoft be worried about losing money?!?!?!? the largest company in the freaking world!

no shock here. why would anyone buy a ps3? there is 1 game for it the vast majority of people dont have 1080p blu ray? you are essentially paying now for things that wont be mainstream for years (1080p) or may never be mainstream (blu ray), so why bother when you can spend half the money on a powerful enough system and enjoy a great on-line experience with great games. heck you can get both the wii and the 360 for the price of a ps3

Interesting what somebody said about the new wii remote being a 'gimmick'. You are right about this. It is about time more people realised this too. The wii remote is an 'add-on'. With this in mind, the Wii is not cracked up to all it should be. Zelda TP is the only game worth playing on the Wii. I have not bought one, but I grew up with the Super Nintendo. Which I still class as the best console of all time. I am happy to play Zelda TP on my gamecube, who needs a 'gimmick' of a controller. Not me. To me, Zelda TP is a good game, but it does not deserve to be a 'classic'. The one positive thing Zelda did do for me was the transformation into a 'Wolf'. I thought the change in gameplay was an excellent addition to the Zelda Franchise. The reason for the decline in console sales is the lack of good games. The playstation 3 has come out too early, whilst Nintendo still do not bring out enough games. Nintendo produce good games, just not enough of them..it has always been a problem for them.

It really is a hard time for a good % of gamers. The PS3 as of now has nothing much game wise to go. Latter that may and should change. It has the best hardware out. But is way behind in software. But it just started so? And Sony has always been able to nag big names over the long haul of all their systems. And more so be able to find new small teams of talent, and make them household names. And also, if the PS3 does have greatness. Its going to take long time to create the huge games they plan to have latter. So with them we have to wait. Its that simple. Will know someday what the PS3 can do, Just not now. And no Resistance is not showing the PS3 power I can bet on that. MGS is really the one everyone is waiting to see. All that happens with them will start their. the Wii is sorta in the same circle. But having a machine far less complicated. Their games should start to come in faster. But also they wont be nearly as amazingly eye popping, as what Sony will have in a few years. But games are games. So again, its just the start. So we dont really have a true big time Wii game yet. Zelda was a Gamecube game adapted to the Wii control. So that does not count. So will we see a great new Wii Mario game. Getting back to the orinal series. Not a Mario RPG, or Mario golf. If we do Ill be the first in line to buy it. And than Microsoft. I just don't get this system. I play it, than I play my Xbox on HD. And to be honest I dont think its really done anything over the top great. Some of the games are good. But really nothing you could have not done at a slightly lower level on the Xbox. Why did they even bother with the 360. When they had the most powerful machine last time around. That can pull graphics that can make the 360 not seem that far ahead. The 360 makes no sense to me at all. A next gen machine with no next gen media. In time your gonna need massive storage for true next gen games. Think of it this way. On screen the content while the screen is even paused should be 20 times what we see now on these next gen machines. Now take in the added better AI. And than take in the character moments. More characters on screen. And your talking about games that need a medium at least 100 times larger than a DVD. When they really start to push these machines. And get some content and stuff they can use over and over and games start to fly out faster and better. You can say all you want about DVD and a better medium. But if they want to push what the PS3 is sure to be pushing out by 2009. They need a medium with some space. And it has no real thing to it. No new Wii revolutionary motion control. No real huge epic next gen power. Its like this in-between corky machine. What does it do? I mean Is Halo 3 really gonna be 50 times better looking than Halo 2. It better be in a era were great FPS will be easier to make than hotpockets in a microwave. But I dont think it will be way beyond Halo 2. So with them I have no clue how that machine will last another 6 years. So as of right now, their really is not that much. But their will be im sure in the years ahead. But as of now, its pretty dual. So dual we have to give short meaningless games like RESITANCE and Gears Huge scores. I tell you one thing Gears and RESISTANCE were no FF12 or Zelda TP. When you really look at those two games. And compare them to the other two. They were not much to talk about. Good games but not epic. I have yet!!! To see a epic game on any Next Gen system. And when we do see one. Ill be the first to tell you.

People said RPGs takes a long time???Yes that is true. And JKknight you said RPGs can not be put down for 3 weeks, for me yes, that is why saving is kind of point so return where you last played??? And I do not think people would play only 15 minutes. Plus you do not have to go with the story there is something called side quests, exploring, leveling up??? And I agree with that Oblivion is great choice for RPGs because you do not know where you are....

Forget about the consoles....lets buy NDS and PSP

jknight5422 Good post and I'm glad you've been enjoying gaming for 15 years but I've got to say, if youve never owned a console since the early 90's til now you've missed out on some great games. There are those of us that buy every console but its not about bragging right rights or anythings saying, I have Snes, I have Megadrive, I have PSone etc etc, its about being able to play the games that come out on each one and not wanting to miss them. If you want to play Zelda you have to get a Nintendo and so on. Maybe you simply dont like these types of games as console and PC's do have different experiences but maybe its also because you dont know what you're missing having never goten these machines. Seriously, the amount of great games in the last 15 years would number in the hundreds. I would say most of the best games of all time have been on console. You also say you dont need HD and can do without it. Again I think maybe you dont know what you're missing. Anyone who doesn't agree HD is better hasn't played it. But I'm not saying its for everyone. Price would be the reason people dont want it and I cant say "dude its worth it" to you. Everyone has to make up their own minds whether its worth it to them or not. But you cant say it is not better that standard definition. Think of it this way, would you want to play your PC games on 640x480? Only the most absolute dog of a PC would be running games at that res, and why would you go back to that? You say maybe you'll skip HDTV's and see what comes next but thats a long time away. Plus it seems like if holographic TV's (or whatever) came out 2015 you'd probably get a HDTV because they would be cheaper then. Its your decision of course but by that way of thinking you will alway be one generation behind. I'm just interested, do you keep your PC up to date with the latest stuff? You made a really good point about smaller countries adopting technology. While Australia is huge, the size of the USA ( our smallest state is bigger than Texas), our population is tiny, so in that regard we are a small country. We love new tech. We have 20 million people and about 15 mobile phones. Per capita we absorb anything new as fast as anyone. DVD went remarkably well here and HDTVs are getting cheaper and more popular. PS, I hope X360 lasts longer than another 3 years, if they adbandon this one like they did the last I may not get another one. OK i will if it has games I want but I wont like it.

jknight5422-Point taken about some things in your article but I wasnt really including the PC into the discussion but your comment is valid and well stated.I agree with most of what you say. Thank you for that insightful post.

Blackace-Our U.S. console companies were knocked out from under our feet by the NES, Sega, and PS1. Its fair to say that Japan took the Title as the King Of Games. ------------------------- This sounds kind of stupid. For one thing, when PCs were coming out in the early 90's, I bought one of those for gaming & never looked back. I never went back to a console until I tried Halo 2 on the Xbox 1.5 years ago. I had never played any of the PS, Nintendo or any other console. I didn't even see the point in getting a console since all the _detailed in depth_ games are already available on the PC!! All told, I spent some 15 years playing PC games only & none of those games were made in Japan. -------------------------- GrimBee-Its like HDTV's, in japan they have been out for a long time. In the UK its only started to come in. People here still watch vhs!! Also, Japan is such a fast moving culture that a console launch as bland as this isn't enough for them to go nuts. Now the DS, thats a different story. Wifi spots all over the place, games from so many different styles. etc. ------------------------ Think about this: America is a large country & like all large countries, it moves a lot more slowly in terms of technology. Japan & smaller countries tend to move much faster & can get all of their population on board to fulfill whatever missions they have. For example, I think it's Norway (or Sweden) that supposedly has the best nuclear power plant technology. South Korea has the best broadband tech, etc. You simply don't see large countries moving this fast for things that are not mission critical. Where America moves quickest is in military & intel, for obvious reasons. So Japan or Europe can "move forward" all it wants to. If you ask me, an American that is still watching VHS is not a shock at all. It works, it provides them with what they need. The _content_ is what matters, not the image, providing it can be viewed. I can go my whole life without upgrading to HD. I don't need it. There has to be a better reason than just a prettier picture. When the costs get down to the VHS level, or my simple LCD flatscreen breaks, then I might consider a new HD one. I won't spend thousands on it today! That's what Japanese want you to do...it's totally unnecessary. I'll wait until the prices tank, thank you very much or skip a generation & see what comes after HD, if anything. ---------------------- AHDOAH As an Asian gameplayer I see the Xbox360 not worth buying due to the fact most of the games are shooters and we are more into the RPG action adventure games. And most of us do not play online often because we are very very BUSY:!!!! ---------------------- You're asian. Congratulations. This is a very stupid point you make here. For one thing, playing a shooter online can be done in 15 minutes. RPGs are 100s of hours long & you have to keep track of what you're doing in them. You can't just put the RPG down for 3 weeks & come back to it & remember what you did last. It's like a book. Also, I can use my PC to play RPGs. I don't see why anyone needs a console for an RPG as they are much faster to handle by a mouse & keyboard. However, as stated previously, the360 -has- Oblivion with 100s of hours of play. It won awards last year. So your logic is a bit flawed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skiggy80: For one thing, the wii remote gets tiring and aiming in a shooting game is horrible. as far as the ps3 controller, I like how it weighs next to nothing, but the motion sesorship wasnt neccessary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For me, the rumble isn't very important. It's fun for simple effects in a story line. However, it's impossible to use for shooters unless you are young. It hurts my hands when in constant use so I just disable it. The games are still fun without it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kingnmaster just make rpgs for xbox360..that simple. i have a 360 and i would like to see more rpgs then shooters.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For cryin' out loud: They already have made them!!! And now for some final pointers: 1. For somebody that has all 3 consoles: you have too much time on your hands. 2. Bluray. Again, who cares? In the future, it doesn't make a difference. 3. Bigger HDDs will be made available for the 360 to compensate for lack of diskspace. IF required. 4. Xbox had a 4 year lifespan. Likely the 360 will have the same, meaning that it only has 3 years left until the post-next gen release. Somebody mentioned that they were expecting PS3 to last 10 years, well none of the consoles will. Neither will the PC. They haven't reached a peak in computing power yet to slow down the upgrade junk. This is another reason that makes it pointless to own all 3 consoles...they'll all obsolete at about the same time. The Jedi..

to naisor: good one. i totally agree with you. heck, i'm asian too. weird huh.

I forgot the about Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic. I absolutely loved both additions. But other than that and the others i afforementioned...there are that many RPGs o nthe Xbox systems...especially when compared with the Nintendo and Sony. They need to continue with the Star Wars saga on the Xbox 360...I'm dying to see Fable 2, a new Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, a new Jade Empire..and even a new Elder Scrolls (Oblviion is underwhelming for me..i like it, but expected so much more).

jcp234psu said "Original xbox only had Elder Scrolls 3, Fable, and Jade Empire for RPG's." ...... ...... That's funny because I had blast playing Knights of the Old Republic (Game of the Year), Knights of the Old Republic 2, Deus Ex: Invisible War, and these are just the one's I remember I know there were many more. The fact is Japan loves the FF series and Dragon Quest and not only is Japan a hard market to crack cause they are loyal to Japanese companies (who knows why?) the RPG genre itself is tuff to break into. Especially with so many well established IP's in exstence. Microsoft is being smart this time around though by employing former square employee's to make games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, both those games look great and I'm sure their the first of many. So like Sony fans are saying about the PS3, "Just give it some time." Lol, more good RPG's will be out soon.

Around here its easy as hell to get a PS3. But finding a wii is next to impossible.

yea the wii is the best yes guys needing to talk to other people click on my name go to unions and join them all would be good if you did to meet more people

AHDOAH wrote: As an Asian gameplayer I see the Xbox360 not worth buying due to the fact most of the games are shooters and we are more into the RPG action adventure games. And most of us do not play online often because we are very very BUSY:!!!! ___________________________________________________________ dricas1999 wrote: u say as an Asian gamer u dont play online cause your very busy but u prefer RPG's and action adventure over shooters. The RPG's usually take a TON more time than playing online. Can u elaborate. ___________________________________________________________ With the permission of AHDOAH and dricas1999. I don't want to meddle, I just want to elaborate a little in this matter as I was thinking when reading your two posts. I'm also usually very busy. I mean, I have a job and mommy doesn't buy me games since years and years ago. When I come back from work, I like playing like one hour or one hour and a half. The beauty of all RPG's (at least for me) is that you have this "save point" feature where you can leave the game for that day, and return to it ones you are less busy. That is exactly the reason why I have never played FF XI. Because it is online and it wouldn't be cost and time effective for me at all. Now, I have many friends, including some Japanese, who think the same. So, I'm not saying online games are bad, but some people just can't afford that much time. Yes, indeed a good RPG me take as much as 40 to 60 hours to complete, but it is not required at all a complete it in a 40 hours single session at all, cause that would be insane. So, because having this "saving your progress" feature, I consider RPG's versatile and specially fitted for my need and taste. So, well, that is my elaboration and my opinion.

Seriously, you don't have to think too much to know why the sales dropped. Everyone released their good games before christmas, so January rarely get any games worth mentionning. Plus, PS3 has barely any games popular for japanese gamers. I am sure that when games such as MGS4, DMC4 or FFXIII will come out, PS3 will sell faster than at launch in Japan.

over all it was a crap week for next-gen

It's gotten really sad... I mean please.. They're only consoles.. Who cares which company "wins" or who is buying which.. geesh..

after all this, I will not buy a next gen console before the summer :D PS2 still doing great :)

wII ARE THE CHAMPIONS

Just buy the 360 and we will have world peace.

I agree that the Xbox 360 has few too little RPGs. I purchased the XBOX 360 when it first came out and I was very very disappointed (I'm an american). I'm not saying they shouldn't do FPS, because I know there are lots of gamers who like them (i'm not one of them), but they should try to reach a broader audience. I love Microsoft, and I've supported the Xbox and the Xbox 360, but they need to come better. They've only had Elder Scrolls (Oblivion going to PS3), Fable, and Jade Empire....where as playstation and nintendo have a plethora of RPGs. Nintendo will always be my number one franchise (I don't have a Nintendo Wii yet because I can't find one, but I'm going to definitely get one. Got to support the Big N). Sony and the playstation brand have always been my least favorite, but I have begun saving up for a PS3....they have always had an awesome library of RPGs...and I don't see why that won't continue with the PS3. The Xbox 360 has lost my favor a little bit, but I have confidence that Microsoft will get the stick out of their asses and go for something outside of their comfort zone. Ultimately, I want all of the consoles to win, but if one HAS to come out on top...I want it to be Nintendo. I love them and it's their turn to shine. I don't want Sony to come out on top just because they've been leading the console wars for a very long time..and i'd like to see someone else @ the top...just to shake things up a bit..and force all three companies to really come out with great new game systems and software in the future.

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just make rpgs for xbox360..that simple. i have a 360 and i would like to see more rpgs then shooters.. ps3 is to expensive and have no good upcoming games..the wiis games are just rediculous because most of them are also on other systems..but the wii is a good family system and the xbox is a good competitve system. so realy the only one hurting here is sony!

All of you guys make a good case. But I have to agree most with "GrimBee". Who is to say that technology wont change tommorrow. How many different size video cards for pc's have been manufactored ion the last 3 years. i remember when having a 256 video card for a pc was ridiculous. The motion controllers are cool but honestly I could have done without them. For one thing, the wii remote gets tiring and aiming in a shooting game is horrible. as far as the ps3 controller, I like how it weighs next to nothing, but the motion sesorship wasnt neccessary. Not if they were going to keep the same design. The 360 remote is genuine. Its your basic remote and its actually very comfortable as well. In fact many gamers are starting to say they like the 360 controller the best. This Blu Ray thing is getting out of control. As I read these posts, all i hear is bickering back and forthe obver who has Blu ray and whop doesn't, who has to add an hd drive, how big games will be? Its not even about the quality of the gameplay or the story. Game debates have become all who had more spec and computing power. Its really quite stupid. Go look at the posts in the Xbox360 having better graphics than the ps3 article. All it is is fighting over who has this many teraflops, and who has blu ray. half of them dont even know what the "p" in 1080 is and they atre talking teraflops.lol. I'll admit some of those terms I dont know either and thats why I stay out of this computing power debates. I have all 3 of the next gen systems and thus far, I love Zelda on my wii, I love GOW, Lost Planet and xbox live on my 360 and believe it or not I love Untold Legends(didnt get rated that good, but fun to play) and Resistance on my PS3. There is no need for arguing anymore. Do people start forums tha argue which is better, Mac or PC? I'm being serious because I have never seen one yet I never really looked but buy what you want and shut up about it.

neoand12 Winner of the next-gen system wars is.......drum roll please.......Nobody? I have to disagree. I'll have all three consoles, so the winner will be..........ME ! :)

If anything, the 360 sales really didnt drop like the ps3 and wii. You could say the 360 is selling at the same pace no matter what week. It is the only console to stay somewhat consistant in a week to week flow. Wii will rule and ps3 will fall and 360 just trudges along.

Fair enough vanhalendlrband but the fact that mass effect, blue dragon and lost odyessy are coming out next year with no sign of ff or any ohter big rpg for sony wer may see the shifht that we have seen in N.A and europe. I know alot of friends and people i know have shifted to 360 not because they like ms over sony but they wanted to play some great next gen games now and in 2007. THANKS GRIMBEE VERY INFORMATIVE. by the way unreal 2007 is coming to 360 its official result.

daniel665 What about those that have or are getting a PS3 and like it? How many threads have you already posted this rant on? Stop acting like your informing peoples choices, you're just trying to make up peoples minds for them. No one denys PS3 has a learning curve but most agree it has more potential too. For every developer I've heard say PS3 is difficult to get the hang of, I've read another one say its an awesome machine and since they've done their homework on it early they can now get some incredible results out of it. I believe both. Either way, both are great machines and are both here to stay.

Honestly daniel 665, what you said is true but i don't think it applies as much as you think in this case, as i thought it might have. But one thing is Japanese like their RPG's and not only that they like their kind of RPG's. If you compare the ratio of RPG's to FPS's in Japan, i bet its laughable. I mean does Microsfot really think FPS's are gonna make people by one console over the other? Hardly. What Microsoft needed to do would be is a few things and if they still weren't bought after just one or two or all of these suggestions then i'll say thats what Japan is like. First only Final Fantasy XI for X360. I know its like impossible to get FF on any other console, but i guarantee if FF XIII was on X360 they'd be flocking to buy it. But guess what, FF XIII is on PS3 and thats gonna make ALL the difference in the WORLD in Japan. Secondly, from all Japanese people i've talked to as well as my own tastes. Espescially over here in North America. Too many FPS's vs RPG's. Its ridiculous how bad it is. They need more than just Blue Dragon and a couple others. They need like a Breath of Fire V, a Chrono Cross/Trigger 360, Final Fantasy released later on like the GTA series was on XBOX. THe problem is Sony has all the best RPG franchises LOCKED. So Microsoft really needs to sit back and think, do they really want to try and take Japan? Because if they do it INVOLVES RPG'S MICROSOFT!!!!! Wtf is so hard to do about that? Microsoft will need half or more of its japanese lineup in 2007 to be RPG's otherwise, expect to see dwindling sales figures like this.

Winner of the next-gen system wars is.......drum roll please.......Nobody?

The japanese wont buy 360 because to them that would be supporting the enemy. those not getting into politics are making their choice in europe and n.a and buying 360 and wii. HAVE A LOOK AT WHY THIS IS BELOW. Theres a reason why sony exclusives have jumped ship. Virtua fighter5, virtua tennis 3, unreal tournament 2007 looks more than likely(can preorder for 360 on play.com), Assasins creed,Fatal inertia (new wipeout), gta and tenchu. Valves head honcho (Half life 1 and 2) was posted on this site saying that sony have made some big mistakes with ps3 and should start all over again even though it is so late in the day. I bought ps and ps2 along with n64 and game cube but now have a 360 and im gonna get a wii. The exclusives coming out for 360 get me excited about games all over again (mass effect, blue dragon, lost odyessy, halo 3, forza 2, splinter cell last conviction, banjo and kazzoie, Kane and lynch, lost planet and marvel universe online) ive played motor storm and the 1player is shallow and short with the tracks being very samey and would rather play burnout 360, sega rally or colin mcrae. The exspense of blue ray (not a good games media for reasons below) means that other parts of the console have been downgraded most importantly the memory now significantly below that of the xbox 360. the extra space that blue ray allows will not be used in games as it takes long enough and costs more than enough to produce games like oblivion and gow. The space will be used for better copy righting (sucks no copying blue rays then.) and extras of actors getting thier lines wrong all the games that are on both consoles have a better frame rate, faster loading times and better graphics on the 360. those that can't afford to have it all should read this article to make an informed choice. those of you that have already bought a ps3 im sorry i couldn't help and well maybe you could sell it on ebay if you are feeling like youv'e been cheated. for a look at what developers are saying checkout this article. << LINK REMOVED >>

Well......Halo 3

As an Asian gameplayer I see the Xbox360 not worth buying due to the fact most of the games are shooters and we are more into the RPG action adventure games. And most of us do not play online often because we are very very BUSY:!!!!

The problem with an upgraded drive later is either they would be able to play games on them and therefor only for movies, or they will play games and man will I be pissed off. Games coming out on HDDVD that I wont be able to play will be such a slap in the face to anyone with a X360. Seriously, thats the kind of thing that might actually make me consider boycotting a console, and I always get them all. It would go beyond rude and arrogant. Also, you're talking about games being played off a hard drive, which is interesting for speedy access, but how do we get them there in the first place? i wouldn't want to download my games. Plus console gamers dont want to install games even if it would be more streamlined and easy than PC games. You get home from the shop, you just want to whack it in and be playing within 2 minutes. And how big would your hard drive have to be? Since we're talking about next gen you can assume the games will be a lot of data, but even at 7 gig (very, very conservative guess) 20 games would be 140 gig. And I throw away nothing. I keep all my games and consoles so I wouldn't want to be deleting anything. I think streaming for a disc techneques will improve and they will be able to access all the data they need. It doesn't seem to be a problem like to old days where every bit had to load separately. If Jak and Daxter could have such huge spaces stream from DVD I dont see why this wont get better. You talked about the next big step, as in the leap from 2D to 3D. Well since holographs aren't showing up anytime soon in consoles I guess Sony and M$ want it to be HD while Nintendo (and Sony to a lesser extent) what it to be Motion Control. None of these is as big a leap as 2D to 3D was but HD gaming IS really cool. The clarity and vibrancey is beautiful and its not just for eye candy. Being able to better pick out a player up field in a sports game or seeing further up the track in a racing game give you more time to react and gets it a step closer to real life where you can see miles up the road. Nintendos controller, I still think is a little hit and miss for me. I've posted before how its not really as resposive as I'd like, doing about 3 wrist turns before Link does a spinning sword slash is my example. and I really think it will be horrible if not totally unuseable for certain games. I like the 6ax cos I think its the best of both worlds. I think once the gimmick of the Wiimote wears off and its not new anymore then interest may drop a bit too. Nintendo need to really start pumping games out because they are notorisiously slow for releases and people pretty much buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. Wii has been really really popular but I think Zelda can take 90% of the credit for that. God I could have got Zelda on Gamecube but I pretty much bought a Wii so I could go fishing. (more dollars than scense hey?) Anyway, no matter what happens I'm gonna have fun the next 5 years. PS Commodore 64 + My favourite gaming platform. (once I got the disk drive) Back when floppy disks were floppy.