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Simpsons Creator Matt Groening "Didn't Have A Problem" With White Actors Playing Black Roles

In a new interview, the cartoonist reflects on the show's struggles with and decisions over representation.

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After The Simpsons recently recast Dr. Hibbert with a Black voice actor, Kevin Michael Richardson, show creator Matt Groening has finally spoken out on the bigger shift the show initially had been slow to provide a definitive stance on: A move to longer use white actors to voice non-white characters. Speaking with the BBC (via Deadline), the prolific cartoonist said: "Times change but I actually didn't have a problem with the way we were doing it. All of our actors play dozens of characters each, it was never designed to exclude anyone."

When asked whether he regretted the show's previous silence and slow public deliberation, Groening remarked, "At a certain point it doesn't matter what you say. You're going to be attacked by whoever, you know? We're not going out of our way to comfort bigots. On the other hand, if you do any kind of gesture and people perceive a weakness, you'll be criticised." This comment isn't all that different from past reactions from Groening, which were initially dismissive of the criticism.

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Earlier in the show's current, 32nd season, The Simpsons recast Carl Carlson with Alex Désert (Better Things, Better Call Saul) in for Hank Azaria. The move was met with a wide spectrum of reactions from fans, from wholehearted enthusiasm to shrugging indifference. Following a much-publicized, lengthy controversy over representation, whitewashing, and stereotyping sparked by comedian Hari Kondabolu's 2017 documentary The Problem With Apu, The Simpsons has opted to either re-cast or, in the case of Apu, seemingly completely phase out the objectionable roles.

In the same interview, Groening--who is currently working on Netflix series Disenchantment--expressed an appreciation for the change taking place broadly in the culture. "We're trying to make it better," Groening told the BBC. "Bigotry and racism are still an incredible problem and it’s good to finally go for more equality and representation."

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"Simpsons Creator Matt Groening "Didn't Have A Problem" With White Actors Playing Black Roles"

Because he isn't a whining baby....It's a F'N cartoon, get over it. (ANYONE that has a problem with it)

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@j3diknightdave: The problem is non-white actors have a hard enough time getting into the industry as it is only time find the relatively few non-white characters are *still* voiced by white actors.

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@Dragon_Nexus: life is not fair

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@Dragon_Nexus: What BS. There's nothing stopping minorities from becoming talented voice actors capable of doing dozens of different voices, and in case you haven't noticed, animation just keeps getting more and more expensive. Big studios love having inexpensive unknowns on staff to fill out the rest of a show's cast after hiring the uber expensive stars. My sister's talent agency alone has multiple minority actors capable of doing voices and they're constantly getting work.

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"Man at front of human centipede doesn't believe in privilage"

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@Dragon_Nexus: privilege is spelt with an e and most people who use it suffer from success envy.

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@theaiken: Took ya 3 weeks to come up with that zinger, eh?

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@Dragon_Nexus: I'm not even eating/drinking and I almost choked this was so funny.

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@Dragon_Nexus: But the white actors in the Simpsons can play up to as much as 14 characters, and these characters are of any varying degree of ethnicity.

In fact you'll see this everywhere in voice acting community. It just seems tokenizing, virtue signaling, and arbitrary to recast a voice actor to a black man for a black role in the Simpsons.

The Simpsons and other shows could create more roles of people of color, then populate them with whomever can fit the sound they are going for, for that character.

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So, it's not OK for someone to do the voice of a character that isn't their own ethnicity, but it 'is' OK to cast someone who isn't the ethnicity of the character if it's live-action?

Really trying to stay on board with all this, but it would be a lot easier if it was at least consistent.

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@skyhighgam3r: Funny how one-sided equality is, eh?

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@skyhighgam3r: Over simplification: **** wh*te people.

Under simplification: White people have an over abundance of options to voice characters whereas POC do not. You can find more whites voicing POC characters than you can find POC voicing whites.

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@mcnichoj: ultimately equality has to be equal for all...your comment sounds very racist :/

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@vs_shield: I just explained the situation, I wasn't endorsing it.

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@mcnichoj: While this is absolutely true, still hire people on skill, not charitable tokenism.

Making a persons skill set secondary to race is demeaning by default.

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@skyhighgam3r:

That's the problem with political correctness. It's hardly ever consistent because what's PC is always a moving target. A little understanding, tolerance, and human compassion would go a long way to not having the divisiveness that we have right now.

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@sabredj:

People: *Shows high tolerance and compassion for a lot of things.*
Liberals: *Upsets status quo; adds new PC parameters to 'follow'*
People: *Gets disrupted*
Liberals: "Now, now... Please show some tolerance and compassion"
People: "Are you f'ing kidding me." :/

Edit: I think liberals need to think about the white man playing a black character in the Simpsons and take some compassion and understanding in knowing that choice that was made. In a certain lens, this is a very brave move, in solidarity, having a white person playing a person of color. Could be considered an honor, but nooo.

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Ok, I'll start scaffolding the guillotine, someone go & forge a blade. Making the world better one headless cartoonist at a time.

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@odolwa99: a little triggered are we?

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@billsy: Considering a guillotine is operated by a weighted rope, no, no I'm not.

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