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The Walking Dead's Falling Ratings Defended By Producer

"I don't think in any way the brand has lost its relevance in general."

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While it was unrealistic to expect The Walking Dead to maintain the record-breaking viewing figures of some of its earlier seasons, the AMC zombie drama has seen a dramatic drop in audience numbers over the past two years. The first half of the current eighth season has had the lowest figures since 2011. However, one of its producers has now defended the show's audience decline.

David Alpert told Variety that looking at the figures for the show's live broadcast was misleading as to how popular it really is. "I don't think in any way the brand has lost its relevance in general," he said. "I think we're just seeing a decline in urgency across all media to consume something at a specific time. I still get people coming up to me at conventions talking about, they're in the middle of season six. They can't believe what's going on."

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It is certainly true that live broadcast figures only tell part of the story when gauging how many people are watching a show. This is been especially true of series such as Game of Thrones, which is also available via HBO's on-demand services, and The Walking Dead did add an extra 3.6 million viewers to its mid-season finale last month when DVR numbers were taken into account.

However, there is no denying that The Walking Dead has seen a steady decline in viewers over a relatively short period of time. The 7.9 million broadcast viewers of the mid-season finale was the lowest number since Season 2's in 2011. This is in comparison to the 10.58 million viewers that watched the mid-season of Season 7 in 2016, and nearly half of what the equivalent episode achieved for Season 5 in 2014.

The Walking Dead Season 8 returns in February. In the meantime, you can click here to find out why we think Negan is ruining the show.

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The whole movie is forgotten about it, and the movie is too much of a charm, instead of looking for a cure and salvation. Coming together, there are two more ridiculous groups. I think the movie should end in Chapter 6 so long that the main theme of the movie was forgotten.

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Lost interest end of season 6. Drip feeding a wafer thin plot and no end of season resolution. This series need to end.

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For me, I originally started watching it because it was about the zombies and survival against them. When the human element was introduced with the Gov I started to be less interested, not to the point I do not want to watch it. Other shows have started to take priority over it because of that.

Don't get me wrong it is still a decent show and there are only so many things you can do the zombie survival idea that you need to start using other elements to try and keep the show, or any show for that matter interesting. When it comes to TV shows in general I find the longer the show runs for the less interested I become. I feel this is mostly to the fact that when a show hits its peak, expectations stay high and most things are measured against your favorite situation, episode or what have you which in turn is what makes people start to find their interest lowering regardless of the show you are watching. Very few shows keep a persons interest from start to finish, some manage to, some don't, that's just how entertainment works for most people. I like to watch a show right to the very end if I start it, just how I am regardless of how much interest I am maintaining with any show.

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Nielsen ratings don't account for recordings or online viewing at all. The only reason it's still in use is that it's the only measure for viewing commercials other than the rare 'on demand' views, which in the last 3 years deactivates fast forward for most free shows.

But if you're watching AMC shows, you're probably not watching commercials. I personally have taken to muting as a last resort, stopping to watch only the ads which catch my eye. But overall, I haven't watched commercials since the 80s, when I purchased my first VCR recorder. So I gotta ask. Who watches ANYTHING live anymore?

Sports enthusiasts, I figure. But that's why time during game breaks comes at a premium.

You can't tell if people are paying attention to your ads, so stop trying to shove them down our throats. Seriously. Do the occasional zombie cameo instead. That always gets my attention. But if I spend too much time pondering sales gimmicks you can use, I will surely vomit.

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There have been so many cheap character deaths throughout the series when we would cry out "are you freaking kidding me???" and as of late, such an amplitude of exaggerated situations that has turned the show into something more of a cartoon. Sure it's off of a comic book, but this is the type of transference from print to screen doesn't say "comic book" show. So exaggerated moments in a comic book like this, don't carry that same sense of unbelievable believability. Plus the over-use of copy and paste plot-lines, it gets so redundant.

Plus, after I noticed the firefights have animated gunshots, with the guns not ejecting shells and bolts not moving, and even the actors not treating the guns with recoil... I can't unsee it when as it happens. Oh, and in some cases, when cars are getting hit they just spark and don't leave bullet holes. Now it's all that I look for in those moments, just to see what level of laziness they are delivering.

Kind of disconcerting they have the show outlined for 5+ seasons ahead.

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Everyone whines and complains about The Walking dead. Hopefully they’re the vocal minority cause I’m still enjoying it as much as ever.

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The best part is is that it's still relevant and if done properly it could be really good, but the writing quality is garbage. Not to mention the stupid things they still continue to do in damn near every episode like zombies appearing out of nowhere, skeletal zombies that have super strength (the sewer scene a season or so back)...

They have done this to themselves. Not to mention the episodes / seasons when rick / carl / ect, when they are badass then all of the sudden they are incompetent morons that seem like they have no clue all of the sudden. Then there's the terrible build up episodes that end up fizzling out when the plot twist / big moment fail to deliver. Or, how about the full episodes that's about one character (especially when it's a person no one cares about) that don't need to happen when they toss them in.

My favorite are always the stealth ninja zombies that aren't around anywhere, then for a generic jump scare there are 20 in an area all of the sudden hidden behind a small tree lol (sorry, you would see and hear them shambling around). My favorite was when andrea was running from the governor in the woods along side the road... that was so bad. It's the same stupid crap every season and they just keep doing it and you can't tell me they don't read or know about the negatives that people don't like, yet they continue to poor it on more and more.

Then there's morgan and carol.... started off cool and are both terrible these days...

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@nickpeck36: Almost all of my complaints summed up nicely.

The only other big problem I have became really obvious when they introduced"Fear the Walking Dead" and duplicated the basic strategy of:

1. introducing a somewhat stable community
2. bring in the heroes
3. have that community suddenly get destroyed one way or another.
4. repeat

It has made the whole show too unbelievable.

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@datameister: There are only what, seven stories in the world? Something like that. The difference is in the details, and how you tell them. I think the first two seasons of FTWD were kind of iffy, and I was upset they rushed the whole general decline in civilization so they could get to the aftermath. Seeing civilization crumble slowly could have been one of the most "dreadful" part of this show, but they swung and missed.

That said, season three of FTWD was, I think, the best season of either show. Several other reviewers have said the same so I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. Anyone who bailed should definitely go back and give season three a look. Yeah, it was another community getting destroyed, but it was so much more than that.

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@spg900ny: I've seen all seasons of both shows, but The Walking Dead went from my favorite show in it's early seasons to just the show I watch when I run out of everything else interesting. It's a fall back show for when I'm bored (after it reaches Netflix) rather than one I look forward to every week.

Like most of the other complaints here seem to revolve around, the producers have resorted to too many cheap drama tricks and forced the characters into stupid decisions. It's not a quality story line anymore.

I also wonder if the "war" story line might be fatal to the show. It's not the same as a small skirmish here and there and many shows over the years have fallen while trying a "war" story line. Stargate SG1 and SeaQuest for example. Both became incredibly boring when they went from the "adventure of the week" concept into the "biggest fight ever" story arc that lasts an entire season.

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@datameister: Thanks :) Oh I do have some more complaints as well but figured I'd just touch on the most obvious. I really want the show to be good but they are working against themselves sadly.

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The last two seasons have been such an atrocity i end up laughing during many of the episodes at how bad the writing, acting and direction is. I am shocked at how different it is compared to earlier seasons in terms of quality. It is an embarrassment.

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Kind of funny that season 2's finale has the lowest ratings when that was the first full season the show had...and that ending was damn good.

I've been a die hard fan from the beginning. I've defended the show through thick and thin. The pros have always outweighed the cons for me.

Especially within the last two seasons where they really started getting into the thick of the good comic material, and they were adapting it super well...and they were proud of how well they were adapting it.

...Then Scott M. Gimple showed up with his horrible writing, and he decided that shock factor > greater than good story telling and faithfully adapting the comic material.

And as much as I defended the show time and time again, that pretty much ended with this seasons mid-season finale, when ***SPOILER ALERT STOP READING HERE****

They kill Carl off. The character who's basically one of, if not THE most centrally important character in later arcs when he finally gets his time to shine. And there's no one to replace him like their was with other characters (like swapping out Andrea and mixing her traits into Carol and Michonne). There are things in the story to be told that can ONLY be done because of Carl.

And anyone who read Chandler's Hollywood Access interview would know he was completely blindsided by the move as well. So it's not like he was choosing to leave the show.

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@jonesy974: Being a zombie fan, I had watched every episode on air date since the beginning. I have watched the show turn from masterful in the genre (Darabont) to competent (Mazarra) to absurd (Gimple). I had hate watched through seasons five and six (through the weeks following the dumpster crap with no word on one of our favorite characters, and instead had to stomach this self-indulgent standalone episode project by Gimple). And then we had that cliffhanger which served no purpose other than to piss off religious viewers and Walking Dead comic fans. For what reason would Gimple use a gimmick like that? Imagine the impact if we HAD seen who died immediately? EVERYONE would have been talking about it. OR - kill one now, and then BANG - ANOTHER one is dead to start season seven! But no, we had to deal with that bull because we had an immature storyteller in Gimple who thought it would be "cool" to try out an overused gimmick on his loyal audience. So when he realized it was a massive mistake, he apologized, said we will make it up to you. Stupidly, I believed him. I thought perhaps he'd lock himself away and write the best episode he had ever written. Nope. He thought we just wanted to see our favorite characters on TV tortured relentlessly for 45 minutes, and then he'd follow that up with 15 minutes of the most god-awful cheesy dialog (complete with syrupy overdramatic music on top) ever written. Then the showrunners proceeded to tell us that their intent was to "break the audience," and that they were as good as Game of Thrones. That was it for me. I pledged never to watch another episode, and the completist in me has a very hard time with that. I hate bailing on shows I once loved.

People accuse me of "not being able to tolerate the gore" when I say I bailed after S07E01. It wasn't because of gore. It was because of built up anger at the severe mishandling of this franchise and lack of understanding of its fans - or maybe lack of caring. Gimple, Nicotero and Kirkman are living in their own little world of delusion and are ruining this show. But it's theirs to ruin I guess. I hear they're diverting from the comic now, which is probably the best thing they could do. I think every great story needs to be re-constructed for the medium it's in, and perhaps TWD was harmed by trying to adhere too closely to the comic.

What really worries me now is that after finishing up its best season by far (and I think is in the running for best season of either show - it was that good), Fear the Walking Dead is now also in Gimple's hands as well.

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@jonesy974: I heard one crazy theory that it was a whisperer that bit him maybe.

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@WingcommanderIV: I heard that theory as well. Honestly I don't think it's going to be the case. He got bit and was bleeding pretty good, started to look pale and sweaty like the symptoms were getting to him.

Also if you take into account all of the outside factors like his exit interview, where he talks about getting the death write off call, his dad going on social media being absolutely furious, and Gimple on the Talking Dead saying it was a bite and was going to play out like a bite.

Of course I would love for that to be the case. For them to have pulled this long con on all the viewers and totally pulled a fast one on them. If that was the case though idk why they wouldn't just say "mmmm wait for the premiere we don't want to spoil anything".

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Somebody tell the producer that some of their guns don't expel bullets when fired upon or one weapon hilariously shoots automatic(?) wtf. Such a shame to see a great show fall the actors give great performances well some, but the editing, the shit flashbacks, etc. just screams budget cut.

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The Walking Dead has been my favorite series for years, but the last 2 years just sucked. You'd think Neegan would renew it, he didn't, It started going down the drain, when Glen hid under a dumpster. That was far fetched and hard to come to terms with. Then you get this king and his pet tiger. ugh! ( I could've stopped watching the show right then, because it was too much going into, "unbelievable territory" Carl dying for no reason. He's been there since the beginning, his death just falls flat. The back and forth between Rick and the lady leader of the scrapyard people is just very boring and makes no sense, One minute she's an ally, next she isn't. The whole thing just sucks now. I don't even know why I keep watching. The last 2 seasons... REALLY REALLY sucked! It's sad really, this show was so good for a very long time.

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@a3dstorm: I loved the episode where Neagan bashed in some skulls, it’s fell off a cliff since then though and become incredibly poor.

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@a3dstorm: Yeah, the magic dumpster was it for me. Haven't watched it since. The show has long since jumped the shark.

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I was originally excited about Negan, but quickly realized that such material only translated on well in the comics. The show doesn't have the budget to illustrate all out war in 16 episodes without taking drastic shortcuts, and that they have .

I think the height of this show was season 3. The Governor from the comic would have just translated as your usual villain. The TV version was complex and unpredictable. That season had alot of tension. I don't get the same feeling from season 7 and 8. They should have given Negan and the saviors the same treatment that they gave the governor years ago.

Oh well, the show may have a chance to turn it around during the whisperers arc, assuming it isn't cancelled before then. I think the whisperers could be really scary on TV, assuming they don't mess that up with terrible cliche writing.

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im losing interest this season. the writing has been particularly bad, and some of the great long running actors are acting out of character. The human v human fights were a bit sloppy imo. people shooting assault rifles at each other with cars/tables/thin metal as cover and the show cheaps out on production value by making the bullets that miss characters with CGI sparks on such cover. the reality is that the cover would be shredded.

Negan is charming yet completely fails as an intimidating villain, the governor is still the best villain of the series. Negan really needs to start actually fighting more and stop standing there with the "i could do anything at any moment" long stare. at this point its all bark and no bite. I hope the writing gets better on this front, cause its just laughable at this point.

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It truly does need to end. THAT SAID, the last 2 seasons were some of the show's best stuff. I actually don't quite understand why the show was so popular during the time that it was. Season 2-5 were some of the most boring tv ever. Everything on the farm and prison were awful, and I had to take extended breaks from the show due to fatigue from watching it. Once Negan showed up and gave the show a proper villain with charisma, the show actually went back to being good again... at least, in episodes where he appears. Everyone harped on the show for that cliffhanger ending a couple years ago, but I thought that entire episode was gripping, and then when they returned and had Negan kill a couple of them, the tone of the show was perfect.

The show is still super guilty of being horribly, painfully paced with stretches of filler and this air of smugness when they try to do weird time jumps back and forth with convoluted messages and themes. Just end the damn show.

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Probably because there is no more stories to tell.

It’s the same stuff every week now. I really have no idea why half the characters repeat the same stuff over and over.

We get it. “That’s on you” and “You did what you had to do” are the most over used lines in the series.

Time to just hot shot the series and end it.

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@stuff238: There are always more stories to tell. What you're seeing is a series with showrunners and writers that have either lost their enthusiasm, or are out of ideas. Fear the Walking Dead just had its best season, and if you look at it on the surface, it's the same kind of theme we've seen over and over again. But you can feel the enthusiasm from the cast & crew.

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8 seasons and one eyed jack finally gets the claps. Oh no you can't shoot one eyed jack because one eyed jack has the claps.

I clap to you one eyed jack you served your purpose now begone and get gonorrhea.

What would have saved the show if

Ugene actually went to Washington and found the a nuclear bombs silo instead of the cure.

And kaboom the end.

But no they cut season 7 and 8 from a full 16 episode so rude.

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Zombies are played out, partly because your show made them seem less threatening lol after season 2 zombies just became a minor inconvenience.

The show was awesome, just shifted your focus to far from the premise of the series. Zombies.

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They messed around too much with the audience. Fake Glenn death followed shortly by a real death. I stopped.

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@geekvandork: I wonder how many actually dropped after the dumpster idiocy as opposed to the season six cliffhanger or over-the-top season seven debut? Seems like a lot felt the dumpster was the low point and checked out. Stupidly, I held on for a few more episodes. I needn't have bothered.

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This show would've been legendary if they had ended it in 5 seasons. But AMC wanted to suck as much money out of it as possible. Well this is what happens when you keep going with the same bullshit every season. People move on.

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#FireGimple #ThatsHowYouFixIt

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Totally forgot this was still going on. Stopped mostly watching around Season 5 after it was the same shit different place and completely stopped when they killed Glenn who was one of the best chars.

The show really has no end game, no purpose. And with inconsistent zombies and stupid plots and stupid shit, it is done imo

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This is what you get for killing Glenn.

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@wr3zzz: The show's problems are far deeper than killing Glenn. You should have seen that coming anyway, he was doomed to die like he did in the comics. And quite frankly, as much as I loved Glenn, the episode he died in is my favorite of the entire series. And at least Negan is fun as hell to watch. But this show does have some very horrible problems and it going downhill.

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I stopped watching walking dead 2 or 3 seasons ago because I found other shows more interesting to me to watch. I tried to pick up where I left. Watched two episodes and then got interested in another show again. I plan to pick it up again soon.

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I guess it is normal that people lose interest in show running this long... but at the same time, it goes without saying that quality of writing has gone down. Significantly. Characters are making (and executing) so many weird, illogical, basically suicidal decisions with only goal - to put them in situation where creators want them to be at any given time.

Creators have forgotten one old and very universal truth - it is not the destination, it is the voyage that matters. Sadly, voyage is being sacrificed for cheap cliff-hangers and artificial drama that really should not happen in a first place.

What I loved with WD was that it felt as realistic as story could feel in such a fictional zombie-apocalypse setup. I felt sympathy, I felt empathy for characters and emotions, decisions... they were going through. That is gone. Now it is mostly gore-fest with cheap Hollywood-style shootouts and action hero nonsense.

Drama was "real". Now it is just fake construct designed to loosely tie set-pieces. Story was driving this show. Now it is only clumsy mashed-up together to fill between big scenes.

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@nikon133: If you can get through Seasons one and two of FTWD, I think you'll love season three. It might be the best season of either show. I don't know what changed, but it was all about the voyage and the characters. They got rid of irritating characters and honed the show down to what really mattered - relationships, great dialogue, and compelling action in great setpieces. Unfortunately, the show is now also in Gimple's hands for some bizarre reason, so I expect a significant decline in season four. Still, I'm grateful we got 16 stellar episodes last year.

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@spg900ny: FTWD is on my list and many have told me that it is good - overall better than WD. Will definitely give it a go.

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@nikon133: shove ya voyage. Hate that saying now give me destiny. ?

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@lorddaggeroff: Try Destiny 2, it is somewhat better than Destiny :P

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Its cuz they've turned the show into constant poorly scripted shootouts. The shootouts look like fan made YouTube videos. I still watch the show to keep up with the characters and all but the action in the show has become awful.

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@balrogbane: that's how im feeling. the show used to a be a tense drama with real characters and suspenseful moments.... and this season is nothing but mediocre action with no story, characters that do and say TV-like lines (and one of things i loved about TWD was how the lines were always very real with no catch-phrases or witty comments like they do on TV) and no purpose. the best things about the show are gone in this season. The reason why i loved this show up until season 7 are no more. Where is Negan? where is the tension and Fear? The adventure? the deep drama?

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I stopped watching after the first episode with "Negan", where they brutally and graphically killed two primary characters.

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@choda_boy: That is exactly the kind of stuff this show needs more of, and that was a fantastic episode. **** was boring for 3 straight seasons up to that moment because nothing ever felt menacing or threatening, and no one too important ever died. It was just a soap opera.

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Or maybe it's because this show has been hilariously bad the past couple seasons?

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Everyone thinks that when you think you are the "big" thing and views decline. Just look at Cliff Bleszinski and LawBreakers or Ridley Scott and Aliens.

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