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Whore of the Orient branded 'racial vilification' by member of Chinese-Australian community

Chinese-Australian community member finds game's name offensive; intends to make formal complaint to Human Rights Commission.

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Upcoming third-person action game Whore of the Orient has been labelled an "attempt to disgrace Chinese culture, history, and traditions" by a member of the Chinese-Australian community, according to a report by The Age.

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The claim, from City of Monash Deputy Mayor Jieh-Yung Lo, alleges that the game, which has been at least partially funded by government body Screen New South Wales, is offensive and does a disservice to cultural relations. So much so, he believes, that he intends to make a complaint to the Australian Human Rights Commission, saying that the game's title constitutes racial vilification. Citing privacy laws, a spokesperson for the commission told GameSpot that it was unable to confirm whether a complaint had been lodged.

"It's the use of the word 'Orient', more even than the word 'whore', that is the issue," Lo explained. "The O-word is very similar to the N-word for African-American communities. It's a 19th-century racial-colonial conception, and it's especially painful for older people in the communities. That was a very bad time in China, and people don't want or need to have that dragged up."

"'The most shocking revelation is that [game developer] Team Bondi received A$200,000 from Screen New South Wales to develop the project," he said later in the article. "Australian institutions should be encouraged to fund projects and initiatives that cultivate mutual understanding and prosperity in the Australia-China relationship. We need to build greater trust and cultural understanding, rather than promote division and negativity."

Responding to queries from The Age, Screen NSW told the publication that its role is to fund projects, not to dictate the tone or themes tackled as part of artistic endeavours.

"Screen NSW does not proscribe subject matter to content creators, including titles, but makes its funding decisions based on the creative integrity of a project and the expertise of the funding applicants," a spokesperson said. "'Whore of the Orient' is an historical nickname for the city of Shanghai."

While Jieh-Yung Lo has called for a halt to the game's development, he also told The Age that the ideal solution "would be a change of title."

KMM Interactive Productions, the game development arm of Australian film company KMM (responsible for Mad Max and Happy Feet) purchased the game's intellectual property and asset rights in 2011 from Team Bondi, the developer responsible for L.A. Noire.

Last month, a brief video of the game showing third-person cover mechanics, melee combat, and gunplay was leaked online. The game is reportedly targeting a 2015 release.

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It's just words....and it's just a video game...words without action is just that....WORDS! who cares?

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@System4Ever There's a phrase... 'The pen is mightier than the sword.' Broad and meant for a different thing but its just a example of the power of words.

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@System4Ever

Words have connotations just by being words. You cannot dictate how someone feels when hearing these words, and clearly this guy is offended.

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@System4Ever That guy cares! Let's write a million articles about it.

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Well yeah, colour me surprised! Oh wait...

Wasn't that developer going to make that game before LA Noire anyway and pretty much everyone turned them away just by looking at the title? This title is a walking PR bomb. Wasn't there an article about it back when LA Noire was released?

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So, what if Jieh-Yung Lo was not a Deputy Mayor? Then he would've just sat on his ass, by himself, wallowing in his silly perceptions of 'racism' and shtuff.

Ah, how I hate when stupid people get high-ranking positions of increasing responsibility, Lo is surely putting his to good use.

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I found the term "Chinese Australian" offensive, you are either Chinese or Australian, but not both. This two words mean political organizations, and not ethnic groups. Citizen of China is Chinese even if you are white, black, yellow or red, and citizen of Australia is Australian again regardless of your ethnicity. China have 56 different ethnicity, which also including Europeans, and Australia have almost every ethnic group in the world represented. People need to understand nationality is not equal to ethnicity. Han Chinese or Han Australian on the other hand is perfectly fine (assuming Mr Lo is Han ethnicity).

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@Grimkillah I live in sunnybank (google it). There is a large community of people here who barely speak English. I find that I am sometimes alienated and looked down upon for being a caucasian.

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@Grimkillah

Ethnicity and race isn't as strict as you make it out to be. What if someone was born in china, with Chinese parents; came to live in Australia, had a kid. The kid grew up and married an Australian wife, and they had a kid.

Does that new born have to now strictly identify himself as Australian or China, when he clearly has descendents from both groups?

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@shingui5 The new born is clearly Australian since this is what the passport will say, his/her ethnicity is defined by genetics. Chinese parents is vague enough to also include European Rus Slavs, so just say Chinese doesn't mean anything. the child could be white with blue eyes and blonde hair just like both of their parents and their Chinese grandparents. Again Chinese and Australian are just political terms, not ethnicity.

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@shingui5 You can have multiple ethnic/cultural identities, but normally only one national identity. Sure some people have multiple passports and citizenship, but that is a legal problem/issue. Especially during war, normally nation states pretend the issue doesn't exist.

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@Grimkillah

ah, ok, i get your point now. I wasn't using 'Chinese' and 'Australian' as blanket ethnicities, i was merely simplifying to make a point.

Though, the same could be said about how people self-identify.

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Also Chinese could also mean Uyghur Chinese, this means that if this person is born in China of two Uyghur Chinese parents, moved to Australia and married an Uyghur Australian girl and had a baby, the child would be Uyghur Australian and not at all Chinese.

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@Grimkillah so if i'm a German-Irish Canadian... what is my ethnicity?

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@ThrashMatt26 mixed bag

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@MAGIC-KINECT wouldnt be more a messed bag instead ? haha

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@MAGIC-KINECT @ThrashMatt26 they sure joined for a good cause :)

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@MAGIC-KINECT @ThrashMatt26 i like it

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@ThrashMatt26 European Colonial Invader lol

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@Grimkillah @ThrashMatt26 not true, im only 3rd generation Canadian, long after the colonialization was over. take that

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Oh so it's about the title. A matter of words. That must be unimportant then.

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It would've been bad for the company if no one said anything. That way, no one buys their game and we don't have to hear about it.

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@00LiteYear it's by the people who made LA Noire, the game will be good, what's with the hate?

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@ThrashMatt26 well... since the game is hugely similar to Sleepings Dogs and Mafia-like.. the game will only be good if its a open world and not linear experience.

And so far its been linear...

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@GreggD yeah... i dont know what im talking about but you do ? please... what are you ? Team Bondi employee ohh maybe a slave ?

Hasnt reach alpha stage ? do you know they already show WHAT WILL BE LIKE as game. So why dont you stay away shut up and go play games OR piss off shut up and stay quiet !

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@roman4545 @GreggD Oh, so you've played this game that hasn't even reached it's Alpha stage of development? The **** you talking about?

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@GreggD what are you saying ? Mafia is open world.. La Noire is not even open world sure hell feels like it but not even damn close !

LA Noire the game is build to be a detective game with a impressive visual animations... similair to Heavy Rain but different gameplay. Dont say its the same because its not..

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@GreggD have you seen the gameplay itself ? Did you even play Sleeping Dogs ? it plays like Sleeping Dogs and even feels like it... not a ripoff then how about a recycle copy and paste of someone work ?

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@roman4545 Basically, you saying that this game is a ripoff of Sleeping Dogs is like me saying LA Noire is a ripoff of Mafia. Two very different genres.

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@roman4545 It's not a ripoff. It's set in the early 1900's, I think the 30's, and it's a mystery game, with a focus on investigation, and I could just keep going on the differences but whatever.

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ThrashMatt26 so you think this game will do well ? ok.. so be it then..

what a beautiful ripoff of Sleeping Dogs.. just saying

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@roman4545 @GreggD That's what I just said, so sure.

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@GreggD WTF... task ? how many time shou...ok.. you know what.... lets simply move on and put difference aside shall we ?

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@roman4545 Whatever, man. You were the one taking me to task for something I didn't even do, but who gives a shit at this point.

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dont be a asshole for once, you like dont my comment then simply ignore it and dont even comment it if your smart boy. For the record im not pissed and you totally misunderstood the whole thing before either go haywire... go back to check the reply OR leave it and move on..

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@roman4545 I'M being annoying?! In a comment thread below, you were fucking getting pissed off at me for saying something that I never said! Don't be a dipshit.

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@roman4545 @ThrashMatt26 MAYBE MAKE A FUCKING POINT INSTEAD OF TYPING NONSENSE, Jesus.

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@ThrashMatt26 giving me games with good story now ?

Think about it... more interaction for the game equals more varied things = more fun yes ? So far this game doesnt have that. Now again prove me wrong..

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@GreggD @ThrashMatt26 @roman4545 exactly, there are great and shit games for every style and genre, open world has had some terrible games, so has linear. just because this guy thinks of two recent terrible games that just so happened to be linear dosn't mean that entire genre is void of greatness. dead island is shit, does that mean i think open world as a whole is bad, no.

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@ThrashMatt26 @roman4545 It's like me saying all comedy shooters suck because Duke Nukem Forever got fucked up and Matt Hazard got released.

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@roman4545 those are shit games, go play Uncharted or Dead Space 1 and tell me there is something wrong with linear. giving shit example to prove your biased opinion makes your argument look terrible

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@ThrashMatt26 nothing wrong with linear ? go play R.I.P.D. The Game and Ride to Hell: Retribution and prove me wrong that is nothing wrong with linear

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@roman4545 @ThrashMatt26 nothing wrong with linear

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@ThrashMatt26 Apparently, it's racist to call someone or something oriental just because of how they look or how they dress, or where they came from. Besides, oriental doesn't just apply to china, but thailand, turkey, korea, etc.

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