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YouTuber Exposed for Misleading Viewers Releases Apology Video, Deletes It After Negative Response

Martin says he wasn't happy with it and deleted it.

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On July 5, YouTube star Trevor "TmarTn" Martin was revealed to have been promoting a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive skin gambling website called CSGOLotto in his videos without disclosing he owned it. Following the backlash, Martin published an apology video but took it down just a few hours later after receiving an overwhelmingly negative response from the community.

The video, which has been archived and is available to watch below, has been described as a non-apology and criticised for its lack of sincerity, as well as a failure on Martin's part to acknowledge and take responsibility for his action. The allegations levelled at Martin include a failure to disclosure his involvement with the website and enabling minors to engage in illegal gambling.

In the video, Martin stated that his stake in CSGOLotto has always been on record.

"My connection to CSGOLotto has been a matter of public record since the company was first organised in December 2015," he said. "However, I do feel like I owe you guys an apology. I'm sorry to each and every one of you that felt like that was not made clear enough to you."

In many of the offending CS:GO skin gambling videos, Martin doesn't explicitly disclose he is owner of CSGOLotto, the website he used to gamble and win money on. Instead he promoted the site as just a user.

"We found this new site called CSGOLotto," Martin said in one video. "We were betting on it today and I won a pot ... it was the coolest feeling ever."

In his apology video he continued on to emphasise CSGOLotto has been in compliance with the law.

"I do not condone minors under the age of 18 to use CSGOLotto," he continued. "This is and always has been a clearly stated policy in the terms of service as well as the initial sign-up page on the website."

Martin spends the majority of the apology video telling fans that he loves them.

"You guys seriously mean the world to me. You've changed my life in so many ways. I'll never be able to thank you for what you've done. Thank you guys for all the support over the years and I'm so grateful for each and every one of you from the bottom of my heart."

The comments for the video were focused on drawing attention to the illegality of Martin's actions, goading him with mentions of the Federal Trade Commission, and generally poking fun at the dodging of issues.

Martin banned a number of users posting negative comments and, eventually, deleted the video entirely. When asked why on Twitter, said he wasn't pleased with how it turned out.

You can read more about the allegations levelled at Martin, and another popular YouTuber, here.

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LAWL!! Oh Schmitt this was funny

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You're Only Sorry Because You Got Caught!

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Good to see GS exposing subjects like this. People will only truly understand the impact of "small" deeds like these until it reaches the glass windows of their own egos.

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So some dude I've never seen or care about did some stupid crap that I didn't see and don't care about. Gotcha.

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On one end you have an idiot apologizing to the internet, on the other side you have idiots crying behind a keyboard... And let's not forget the idiots who think this is important enough that it needs to be turned into a news article on Gamespot

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@HIT3kNology: So glad something you pay for, cares so little to you.

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@HIT3kNology: Turn 180 degrees and you will see another idiot calling others idiots....

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@jacksamuk: Dunno, technically that wouldn't work, he would need a mirror for that.
You should've more like said something like this. "Every time you wake up and go to the bathroom to look in the mirror you see someone who blames others being an idiot while being one themselves."

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If only the same thing could happen to that insufferable moron PewDie whatever.

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@Rambolike: And why? Being insufferable and moron isn't a reason.

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@maitkarro: Yeah! Those are reasons to run for the Presidency.

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worst case scenario he has to make due with only semi-luxury by the look of things

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Mmm mmm tastes like when those guys were trying to copyright 'React'. Internet schadenfreude feelsgoodman.

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WHO?!

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The repercussions of this event could be monumental. The FTC may try to redefine what constitutes gambling again after what happened with Fan Duel and fantasy football a bit ago. This could lead to in-game items bought with microtransactions (even if not assigned a dollar value by the owner) falling under gambling laws. It may make it illegal for game items to ever be traded back for real money... and it would change the gaming landscape as we know it.

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@elheber: So what you're saying is that software companies would actually have to adhere to the policies users agree to in the Terms & Conditions of 95% of games? Such as where you do NOT have the right to sell any part of the program, associated copyright materials, or any in game items provided within the I.P. (one that you do not own, but only license)? I'm not disagreeing that it would horribly disrupt things, only that there isn't much legal reason to believe digital items have any intrinsic value once you buy them. Even M$ and $ony state that all DLC sales are final, and only approve license transfers for base code on their machines. Kinda like coupons for stores, except even THEY have the value of one mill, or 1/100th of a cent, at least in three states. :)

Though I, too, worry that this new precedent will gain gamers some mainstream publicity, but at the cost of convenience.

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Arrest this trash. They are criminals.

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Even if he did wrong, he does an apologize video (which is acceptable) and takes it down due to the backslash (can be, it's oke) and because he is not happy about it (fine, makes sense)

Somebody re-uploads it... (not that cool without permission)

...and you publish it so more people gets to see it. (What ?)

Are you sure that's a correct procedure, Gamespot?

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@Warlord_Irochi: You can't remove something from the internet.

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@Thanatos2k: I guess that's true.

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@Warlord_Irochi: I think it's fair journalism. The equivalent of posting screenshots of a tweet a public figure made, even if that person had later deleted it.

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@Warlord_Irochi: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if you are not comfortable with whatever you say or do, being put into the hands of your most hated enemy, don't try and be a public personality. GS isn't doing anything wrong here. Because there are things that haven't been told here. Like how TMartn tried to retroactively add proof that he executed full disclosure to his youtube page, and then tried to claim anyone who reported on the story at THAT point, was guilty of defamation for saying something that wasn't true.

The only reason he did an apology video, was to try and curry the "naughty naughty" brand of sympathy. And when the full weight of this nonsense was revealed, and people REALLY started sounding off on it, he realized that wasn't going to happen, so away went the apology.

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@Khasym: I see. Thanks for the extended explanation. I was unaware of those detail you mention. Thanks :)

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"Martin published an apology video but took it down just a few hours later after receiving an overwhelmingly negative response from the community."

Welcome to the YouTube comments section.

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@moose-fitz: I just assume 70-80% of comments on my videos are going to be trolls and lifeless virgins who think they are funny.

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@moose-fitz: First thing I thought. Youtube comments ire mostly a herd desperate for an excuse to troll, harass and post trash in general.

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This seems like a Non-Issue.
Seriously, why do people care if he was promoting a website he owned without saying he owned it?

I can't imagine something I give less ****s about.

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@skyhighgam3r: First of all, owning a gambling site while also playing it tremendously illegal. He's only potentially saved by it technically not being classified as gambling. At best, it's extremely unethical. Especially considering he had access to the back end and was winning big.

Secondly, a large portion of his followers are under age and technically able to gamble on his site by checking a box. A lot of his followers who lost a lot of money on the site were later found to be under age.

Third, he promoted the site without disclosing his relationship to the site. It misled people into thinking it was easy to win money. Viewers didn't know he had access to manipulating the odds (whether or not this happened). Viewers didn't know he was making money for bringing people in, and not from gambling.

This is the type of gaming news that makes it into non-gaming news publications. This is the type of event that makes the government add new laws. It's the type of thing that could potentially lead to a change in how microtransactions and game item trading economies in games work.

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@elheber: Everyone is so caught up in what's legal or not. I just want to be clear I don't care at all what is legal or illegal. Just because something is illegal doesn't necessarily justify mass negative response all on it's own.

The only thing I found issue with is: "under age and technically able to gamble on his site by checking a box."

I don't see how misleading or engaging in mild trickery is that big of a deal. It's a gambling site... if you don't expect to lose money... then you kind of deserve what happens to you.

the only mild exception I see to that circles back to how kids could get on by checking a box and lose money. That should be addressed for sure.

Other than that though I don't see how anything past not using the site and clicking unsubscribe is called for, from the average joe.

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@skyhighgam3r: But gambling sites report specific odds of winning, and declarations of non-interference in those outcomes. With his access to other players' info and the internals of the system, he basically had the opportunity to put in his own pair of loaded dice, whether or not he did it. It's one thing to run a gambling system, be it cards, games, or dice, but another thing entirely to cheat or lie.

Let's say your friend gets ripped off playing 3-Card-Monte. That's his own stupid choice to play a game long known to be easily crooked. But if you SEE the dealer switching cards, or even just having them hidden where he COULD switch them out and you don't tell your friend, then it's YOUR fault your friend got conned. THAT's why this needs publicizing: so gamers can better police ourselves with shaming and public outcry, rather than getting the Dept. of Justice involved with a bunch of (generally) non-relevant gambling laws.

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@skyhighgam3r: Who cares? The government does.

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@dominoodle: Well I didn't ask "Who cares".
I asked why people care. Like, the people here.

If someone was tricked into thinking a gambling site was just gonna give you free stuff, then I'd put that on them.
That aside, I don't see why this needs to be dealt with any harsher than not using his site and clicking 'unsubscribe'.

I get it hits those legal technicalities, but why does average joe give 2 ****s?

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@skyhighgam3r: Why does average joe care about anything?

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@dominoodle: I don't know, but that's why it's so intriguing. It defies logic.

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@skyhighgam3r: Say that when all video services, be they Youtube, Vevo, or any other, start requiring a credit card for access. When messages you want to send over such services, tell you you can't post your comments, because they're not age-appropriate.

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@skyhighgam3r: This wasn't promoting, it was full on fraud. Pretending to win (or rigging wins) in order to trick people into thinking the site is fair when he not only owned a financial stake in the site but OWNED the damn thing is fraud. Legal fraud. Criminal fraud.

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@Thanatos2k: Technically yeah, it's fraud in the eyes of the law. On that you are correct.
Personally though, mild 'trickery' doesn't really seem to fit my perception of 'fraud'.
More like "Huh, what a jerk."

Guy lied about how much he won on a gambling site for personal gain. *shrug*
Not sure how the fact he owns it somehow makes that worse either.

Just hardly seems worth THIS much backlash... like... just don't use the site and stop watching his videos, and I think the problem will be solved all on it's own.

So I don't see why an average person would so upset.

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@skyhighgam3r: Oh, I guess I should mention: the skins he was "winning" were skins that some people spend THOUSANDS of dollars on. In effect, in addition to defrauding people, he was SUBTLY making the insinuation, that people could MAKE money playing these lotto games, and selling the skins on Steam. That makes this not only an issue of fraud, but almost a pyramid scheme in it's deception. He OWNED the site he was recommending others use, to make money, and wanted THEM to spread the word too.

As a further aside, after he was initially found out, TMartn, actually went on the ATTACK. He defended his actions PROUDLY, and insulted people who claimed his ties weren't fully disclosed. It was only after people and companies like Gamespot, H3H3, TotalBiscuit and Jim Sterling started widebanding the story past his little audience, that he suddenly "realized he'd made a mistake."

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@skyhighgam3r: "Not sure how the fact he owns it somehow makes that worse either."

That's the most important part! It's why it makes it criminal! He literally has the ability to rig the site in his favor! You never gamble in your own casino.

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@skyhighgam3r: It isn't JUST promoting a website he owned. CSGOLotto, is a GAMBLING site, and he was pitching it to ANYONE, including kids. Further, he was basically cheating the system. He posted youtube videos of himself winning big and talking about how people should spend THEIR money to win big at CSGOLotto...except his wins were artificial. He was basically handing himself prizes, and making it seem like random chance.

For some context, imagine if say...oh I don't know....Donald Trump, put up videos about this great casino chain called "Trump", where he was amazed at how much he won over and over. He couldn't explain it, but they always paid off big. And he courted not just adults, but kids who liked getting things for free, to go to those casinos as well. And while doing all of this, The Donald, also made sure to never mention that he partly OWNED the Trump Casino chain. :-) And to be clear, much like TMartn, he ISN'T saying these are commercials or advertisements. He's claiming it's real, genuine good fortune and the loose play of Trump that's letting him win.

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@Khasym: I still don't see the big issue. (I see many problems with Trump, to be clear though)
Was he flat out telling kids to go there? If so then there's an issue there. If kids watch his channel then I don't think there's issue there. Anyone can watch anything on youtube.

Otherwise, what's the matter with him saying he won all this stuff on his website? Regardless of if he did or not?
(Spare me the morality speech about how lying is 'immoral', if that's what's coming)
I mean, yeah I guess that's 'not cool' of him... Hardly something I'd be bothered by though.

Other than him possibly straight saying "Kids come to this site and gamble!" I just don't see what the big deal is.




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@skyhighgam3r: Actually no. IF you do full disclosure, you will have any videos that are restricted to kids, age-gated behind an adult account requirement. But, that's if you do full disclosure, and flag your vids for being adults only. You can't offer gambling services to everyone, and then say that only adults should be watching your videos. It's his content, it's his website, it's his legal responsibility to follow the law.

As far as whether or not he lied....well, consider this: in one of his videos, I'm guessing the first, he specifically states...AFTER having created CSGOLotto "I found this new website, CSGOLotto." Later on he says, "They reached out to me cause of all my videos and they're talking about a sponsorship deal....."

The big deal, is that everyone likes steam and youtube as they are now, right? Well mostly(We can skip the Content ID and takedown issues for now) People can create their own content their way, no one has to answer directly to the government....well, television started out this same way. Before the early 1950s, it was pretty much wide open the kind of shows that could air. Then, the quiz show scandal struck. Game shows were found to have been giving their players the answers, as a means to inflate and adjust viewer numbers and thus, sponsoring deals. In one case, one of the contestants was able to registered mail himself a set of the answers before his appearance, and then used them as evidence after he was on the show.

Yeah, sounds small, right? "Who cared what a bunch of TV shows did?" Remember: a portion of every dollar you pay for bandwidth, your computer, monitor, keyboard, etc. all go to FUNDING such sponsorship deals. When little guys like TMartn can get away with it, you can best believe people like Apple, Microsoft(as was evidenced in MICROSOFT'S illegal sponsorship deal with Machinima in 2014) and other big names WILL be following suit if possible. And if they get their toe in, you will be paying more and more, to be lied to about their products.

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Play stupid games win stupid prizes, literally!!

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I hope both of them loose their Youtube and Twitch sponsors for this. Doesn't matter if they did nothing unlawful what they did was still unethical. My other hope is it doesn't stop with TmarTn and Prosyndicate there are many more people on youtube and twitch who don't disclose their sponsorship's or ownership of products and the paid review's.

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just like the Reaction Bros u have to face the consequences

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sorry, just had to laugh at this, so his apology is that hes sorry his followers didn't understand something he says he made clear, really dude, you blame others for this. Crash and burn dude, crash and burn

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@renegade67rick: the thing is TOS is a very very very long read drawn up by lawler's i hardly understand it to this day but i think his apology was very sarcastic its own way just came off like he didnt even mean anything

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