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#1 toppsseller
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I was driving yesterday and started thinking about the collection of games I've collected over the years.  I can't stop buying them and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.  It got me thinking about some of the older system and games like Atari.  Those games aren't worth very much at all.  I sold a collection of new and sealed Atari games on Ebay and only came away with $150 and I had good games.  I had Mario Bros., Yars Revenge, Pacman, Pitfall, and 30 or so more.  Does anyone think that in 20 years playstation 1 games will suffer the same fate or will they always have a certain level of value?  I don't know, just something to think about as we all buy games and systems.  I know I won't stop.  

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#2 waflerevolution
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I contemplated this. the problem is Atari games are so high in number plus they are constantly emulated and are almost unbrakable (I submerged one in water and it still worked...)... I'm sure most PS1 games will be worthnext to nothing but the ones people remember or still talk about as "classics" will be woth a bundle... like games on the SNES such as Chrono trigger, secret of mana and FinalFantasy series... and stuff on the PS1 like FF7(ugh)
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People with buyers guides would be more informed that I on the topic, but I have to think that games are produced in such high numbers these days that there is no way for them to retain their value unless they are the rare few titles that are both high in quality and produced in a low quantity ('cult clasics').

On the other hand, cartridge based games, regardless of how hopeless the original owner was, are much more durable than these shiny disc games -- so perhaps less of them will make it into posterity.  Additionally, there were more players involved in the PS1 era forward, so there will be more nostalgic buyers out there in the future.

So there are the two sides of the argument.  Of course, like all collectors are advised, collect what you love, if it appreciates in value, great, if not, then no loss, you got to enjoy your collection. (It's clear from your statement you have the right attitude about collecting).

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#5 gmsnpr
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There are games from every generation that, for some reason, keep or exceed their original value. In the 2600 days, it was things like Magicard and VideoLife, for the NES it's Stack-up and Hot Slots, for the Neo Geo it's Metal Slug, and now it's things like Border Down, Disgaea, and Marvel Vs. Capcom 2. Some games are not going to lose their value, even though the majority of games on every system are cheap, whether we're talking about that $0.50 copy of Space Invaders, or the $7 copy of Gun on the Xbox that I picked up a few days ago.

This touches on a subject of importance to me. Most games are not particularly good. If you look at the entire release catalog of the U.S. Playstation, all 1270 or so games, you'll find an awful lot of mediocrity. I'm not picking on the PSX here, but it has been the most published-on platform to date. Games like Largo Winch are going to be lost to history, while gems like Intelligent Qube are not, as has been the case from the beginning of this medium as well as others. There are an overwhelming majority of comic books that are roughly worth their original cover price, even though we focus on the Amazing Fantasy #15s and the Action Comics #1s of the world.

My advice is to buy the "good stuff" of whatever medium you collect, and let the mediocre stuff find its own level, the bargain bin.
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There are games from every generation that, for some reason, keep or exceed their original value. In the 2600 days, it was things like Magicard and VideoLife, for the NES it's Stack-up and Hot Slots, for the Neo Geo it's Metal Slug, and now it's things like Border Down, Disgaea, and Marvel Vs. Capcom 2. Some games are not going to lose their value, even though the majority of games on every system are cheap, whether we're talking about that $0.50 copy of Space Invaders, or the $7 copy of Gun on the Xbox that I picked up a few days ago.

This touches on a subject of importance to me. Most games are not particularly good. If you look at the entire release catalog of the U.S. Playstation, all 1270 or so games, you'll find an awful lot of mediocrity. I'm not picking on the PSX here, but it has been the most published-on platform to date. Games like Largo Winch are going to be lost to history, while gems like Intelligent Qube are not, as has been the case from the beginning of this medium as well as others. There are an overwhelming majority of comic books that are roughly worth their original cover price, even though we focus on the Amazing Fantasy #15s and the Action Comics #1s of the world.

My advice is to buy the "good stuff" of whatever medium you collect, and let the mediocre stuff find its own level, the bargain bin.
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Usually the stuff that's popular/got good reviews when it was released, will find a good value at the end. Even if it was produced a bigger quantities, it'll still have more value then any limited produced crud game (cause no one wants crud).

but collections aren't all based on value. Collecting what you like, should be priority number 1. Having a bunch of rare games is nice, but if you don't particularly like them, then what's the point?

I find myself to be a very picky collector =P
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#7 gmsnpr
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[QUOTE="gmsnpr"]There are games from every generation that, for some reason, keep or exceed their original value. In the 2600 days, it was things like Magicard and VideoLife, for the NES it's Stack-up and Hot Slots, for the Neo Geo it's Metal Slug, and now it's things like Border Down, Disgaea, and Marvel Vs. Capcom 2. Some games are not going to lose their value, even though the majority of games on every system are cheap, whether we're talking about that $0.50 copy of Space Invaders, or the $7 copy of Gun on the Xbox that I picked up a few days ago.

This touches on a subject of importance to me. Most games are not particularly good. If you look at the entire release catalog of the U.S. Playstation, all 1270 or so games, you'll find an awful lot of mediocrity. I'm not picking on the PSX here, but it has been the most published-on platform to date. Games like Largo Winch are going to be lost to history, while gems like Intelligent Qube are not, as has been the case from the beginning of this medium as well as others. There are an overwhelming majority of comic books that are roughly worth their original cover price, even though we focus on the Amazing Fantasy #15s and the Action Comics #1s of the world.

My advice is to buy the "good stuff" of whatever medium you collect, and let the mediocre stuff find its own level, the bargain bin.
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Usually the stuff that's popular/got good reviews when it was released, will find a good value at the end. Even if it was produced a bigger quantities, it'll still have more value then any limited produced crud game (cause no one wants crud).

but collections aren't all based on value. Collecting what you like, should be priority number 1. Having a bunch of rare games is nice, but if you don't particularly like them, then what's the point?

I find myself to be a very picky collector =P



Not so much. I can get a copy of Gran Turismo 3, Wind Waker, Kingdom Hearts, Halo, Final Fantasy X, Eternal Darkness, or Metal Gear Solid 2, which for many people were system seller titles, for less than $10 each. Look back at the PS1, and the games that are worth $ are not things like Resident Evil 2 or Metal Gear Solid, which were big sellers. Go back further to the NES, and you'll find that Metroid, Gradius, Contra, and Legend of Zelda are not the expensive games on the system, though most would agree that they represent the best games on it. I think that we may be interchanging "value" (a quality) and "price" (a hard number) here, which is probably my doing. I can agree that "no one wants crud" (as can everyone else), but rare games are the ones that command a higher price on the resale market. What I like are rare, great games, such as Little Samson on the NES, Golden Axe Warrior on SMS, or Panzer Dragoon Saga on Saturn, which score highly in terms of both value and price.

Collectors are a diverse lot. I know people who buy at least two copies of every new comic they buy: one for reading and one for keeping. There are folks that refuse to buy used games, and some avoid buying games new. Some like rare stuff and some don't care about that. There are some folks on the Digital Press forums who have every packaging variant of every game on Playstation (which I think is misguided and weird). I like collecting games that are noteworthy for some reason, mostly for the gameplay, but I also collect games for their rarity, historical signifcance, or the price they command on the resale market.
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Collectors are a diverse lot.
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Your comments about collectors is an important one.  There are all types of collectors -- it's funny -- but when I stop to consider what kind of 'collector' I am, I really don't even consider myself a game collector.  I have a lot of games by some standards, but I'm not sure that makes me a collector.  I mean, I guess I am, but that's not why I buy games.  I really do have every intention of playing these games to their completion one day (except for the hockey and football games).

Maybe I'm in denial.

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I like collecting based on what I like. If I own something that I don't care for, then it just comes a object to me.

But usually any good game vs. a crappy cruddy game on the same system is gonna find a better value (isn't always the case).
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I started collecting series, marvel comics based games, ghostbusters games and games I liked or lked what they were based on but that turned into a collection, the colltion turned into a hobby the hobby turned into a habbit now I collect ALL games.
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In the end, I guess we're just a diverse lot, and we all have our own preferences.gakon5

That's the truth.  If you ever go and look through someone's collection you always learn something.  I have like 700 games and G-Snipe has about 2,000 games, but when you really look at them there is not a lot of overlap -- I'm surprised by what games some people don't have, as I am sure some people are when they look at my stuff -- hell I just broke 700 the other day and got my very first wrestling game!

That's what I like about our union, we are a diverse bunch and not judgemental at all

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[QUOTE="gakon5"] In the end, I guess we're just a diverse lot, and we all have our own preferences.aspro73

That's the truth. If you ever go and look through someone's collection you always learn something. I have like 700 games and G-Snipe has about 2,000 games, but when you really look at them there is not a lot of overlap -- I'm surprised by what games some people don't have, as I am sure some people are when they look at my stuff -- hell I just broke 700 the other day and got my very first wrestling game!

That's what I like about our union, we are a diverse bunch and not judgemental at all

sometimes sarcastic or critical but not judgemental.
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I'm not as gung-ho about collecting as some of you are, but I don't see myself stopping anytime soon either. Also, I'm not overly concerned with the value of my games going down if that is the case. While I do enjoy being suprised by a game I own going to significantly higher than when I originally got it, I collect for the fun of it, like I assume most of us types do.
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#15 Working_Stiff
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I think alot of the future of collecting hinges on what direction digital distribution goes. As of now, it isn't a big factor- there are some PC games you can get off of Steam, and XBLA and the virtual console allow for downloads of SOME older games (how popular the VC will be remains to be seen). However, it is possible that digital distribution for older games could take off on a grand scale. This would, hopefully for many of us here, lead to less people buying hard copies of old games and more people selling them (Assuming that the hardcopy is more expensive than the digital copy, which at least currently isnt always the case), because while many people, me included, greatly prefer the original, hard copy, I definatly see at least a good portion of people prefering the ease of having their old games accessible on their new, wirelessly controlled, system that does not require you to blow on the cartrige.

On the other hand, it seems like there is a possibility that future console, as well as PC, games may be primarily distributed digitally - due partly to the arguement of ease (I understand that) and partly due to cost-effectiveness (Thats one of the reasons everythings on disks nowdays). This would lead to future titles not being available for resale and ultimately not able to be collected (at least not in the traditional, disk in hand, sense).

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I think alot of the future of collecting hinges on what direction digital distribution goes.

On the other hand, it seems like there is a possibility that future console, as well as PC, games may be primarily distributed digitally ... This would lead to future titles not being available for resale and ultimately not able to be collected (at least not in the traditional, disk in hand, sense).

Working_Stiff


That's mildly depressing.  Are we to become those LP record collector-types in a world of MP3?  Great thought Stiff.

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[QUOTE="Working_Stiff"]

I think alot of the future of collecting hinges on what direction digital distribution goes.

On the other hand, it seems like there is a possibility that future console, as well as PC, games may be primarily distributed digitally ... This would lead to future titles not being available for resale and ultimately not able to be collected (at least not in the traditional, disk in hand, sense).

aspro73


That's mildly depressing. Are we to become those LP record collector-types in a world of MP3? Great thought Stiff.

I have 4 boxs of Records...