.:: 2012 Korean GP - 12-13-14 October ::.

SCHEDULE (All Times UK)
FRIDAY: P1 - 2AM, P2 - 6AM
SATURDAY: P3 - 3AM, Quali - 6AM
SUNDAY: Race - 7AM

WEATHER
FRIDAY: Sunny, Max. 20 deg. cent.
SATURDAY: Sunny, Max. 22 deg. cent.
SUNDAY: Sunny, Max. 22 deg. cent.

NOTES:
- Charles Pic has been given a ten-place grid penalty for use of a ninth engine.

Hope Hamilton's P1 performance is more indicative of his pace this weekend than P2!!

1. No
2. Maldonado
3. Definitely going to sign with Red Bull
4. They'll score points next year.
5. Hamilton's fault.

Interesting qualifying - hopefully see Hamilton and Alonso steam past the red bulls at the start :)

Hopefully a Vettel win or Webber 1 and Vettel 2 (I don't want Alonso to win the championship essentially).Garfield360UK

I'd much rather Alonso than that horrible talentless German!!

[QUOTE="Garfield360UK"]Hopefully a Vettel win or Webber 1 and Vettel 2 (I don't want Alonso to win the championship essentially).SadPSPAddict

I'd much rather Alonso than that horrible talentless German!!

Not sure if serious?

Happy with the result today, shame the McLarens had some issues.

DOTD: Massa- did a good race and scored some important points, loved the cheeky "how are Webbers lap times" thing.

SOTD: Vettel- A good race and did what was needed to be done.

Escape of the day: Australian biker guy evading the security on the BBC F1 Forum. 

DotD:Sebastian Vettel

SotD:Tyre Wear...and Astroturf.

DKHJotD (Driver Keeping His Job of the Day):Felipe Massa

DWWtStEotD (Driver Who Wants the Season to End of the Day):Lewis Hamilton

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[QUOTE="Garfield360UK"]Hopefully a Vettel win or Webber 1 and Vettel 2 (I don't want Alonso to win the championship essentially).Garfield360UK

I'd much rather Alonso than that horrible talentless German!!

Not sure if serious?

About which bit? Vettel's ONLY talent is nailing a single fast lap in a vastly superior car. Not an all round race driver, no way he could have done what Alonso has achieved in the 3rd or 4th fastest car on the grid! Alsonso and Hamilton are the 2 best natural racers on the grid and IMO Vettel isn't even the best of the rest!

DotD: Massa

SotD: Hulkenberg

Not the best race of the season from a spectator's point of view but some interesting moments. How unlucky is Hamilton??

About which bit? Vettel's ONLY talent is nailing a single fast lap in a vastly superior car. Not an all round race driver, no way he could have done what Alonso has achieved in the 3rd or 4th fastest car on the grid! Alsonso and Hamilton are the 2 best natural racers on the grid and IMO Vettel isn't even the best of the rest!

SadPSPAddict

Couldn't have put it better myself!

[QUOTE="Garfield360UK"][QUOTE="SadPSPAddict"]

[QUOTE="Garfield360UK"]Hopefully a Vettel win or Webber 1 and Vettel 2 (I don't want Alonso to win the championship essentially).SadPSPAddict

I'd much rather Alonso than that horrible talentless German!!

Not sure if serious?

About which bit? Vettel's ONLY talent is nailing a single fast lap in a vastly superior car. Not an all round race driver, no way he could have done what Alonso has achieved in the 3rd or 4th fastest car on the grid! Alsonso and Hamilton are the 2 best natural racers on the grid and IMO Vettel isn't even the best of the rest!

He won with the 9th best car back in 2008 with the Toro Roso in Italy (or was it 2009, whichever). He has also overtook drivers. I take it this makes Webber even worse given he has won only half what Vettle has with this vastly superior car this season? ;)

Two championships do not happen by accident, he is a proven talent and a naturally fast driver. Also he seems pretty able to control the pace when needed and can set fast laps over a two hour race.

Fair enough if you do not like him, but I have to disagree on saying he is talentless. He has a proven ability and has won the drivers title two years in a row, maybe the second year was due to having a car that was superior but in 2010 he won it on the last race of the season and got the result he needed. Alonso is a good driver (not sure about his personality in the past with the Hamilton arguments and Alonso's attitude towards team mates, but he gives 100% with what he has in a car and I can not argue with that).

Hamilton is a good driver, he has improved but to put him at the top I am not sure. I think there are better drivers. Each to their own. 

DotD: Sebastian Vettel

SoTD: Romain Grosjean (for letting Kamui Kobayashi have a go at ruining a race)

Continuing Garfield's point, as awesome the Red Bull RB7 was Mark Webber had one win in the car (5.3% of the races). The RB7 won 12 total races (63.2%), but only achieved three 1-2 finishes (15.8%). Compare that to other dominate cars driven by World Champions.

Ferrari F2004 [2004]

Wins: 15 (83.3%)

Michael Schumacher: 13 (72.2%)

Rubens Barrichello: 2 (11.1%)

1-2 Finishes: 8 (44.4%)

Williams FW18 [1996]

Wins: 12 (75%)

Damon Hill: 8 (50%)

Jacques Villeneuve: 4 (25%)

1-2 Finishes: 6 (37.5%)

McLaren MP4/4 [1988]

Wins: 15 (93.8%)

Alain Prost: 7 (43.8%)

Ayrton Senna: 8 (50%)

1-2 Finishes: 10 (62.5%)

Hamilton is a good driver, he has improved but to put him at the top I am not sure. I think there are better drivers. Each to their own.

Garfield360UK

Popular opinion in the paddock is that Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel are the best 3 drivers!

Continuing Garfield's point, as awesome the Red Bull RB7 was Mark Webber had one win in the car (5.3% of the races). The RB7 won 12 total races (63.2%), but only achieved three 1-2 finishes (15.8%). Compare that to other dominate cars driven by World Champions.

Ferrari F2004 [2004]

Wins: 15 (83.3%)

Michael Schumacher: 13 (72.2%)

Rubens Barrichello: 2 (11.1%)

1-2 Finishes: 8 (44.4%)

Williams FW18 [1996]

Wins: 12 (75%)

Damon Hill: 8 (50%)

Jacques Villeneuve: 4 (25%)

1-2 Finishes: 6 (37.5%)

McLaren MP4/4 [1988]

Wins: 15 (93.8%)

Alain Prost: 7 (43.8%)

Ayrton Senna: 8 (50%)

1-2 Finishes: 10 (62.5%)

Rayrota

But by his own admission Webber struggled that year to understand the new tires - whereas Vettel seemed to take to them straight away. This 100% explains the "anomoly" you highlight and does nothing to disprove the theory that is was an "easy win" championship and that most of the top 10 drivers would have won in that car ( assuming they were able to work the tires - and let's face it there weren't any other "one driver can one driver can't" that year )

But by his own admission Webber struggled that year to understand the new tires - whereas Vettel seemed to take to them straight away. This 100% explains the "anomoly" you highlight and does nothing to disprove the theory that is was an "easy win" championship and that most of the top 10 drivers would have won in that car ( assuming they were able to work the tires - and let's face it there weren't any other "one driver can one driver can't" that year )

SadPSPAddict

Well if that's the case, wouldn't that further prove our points? You're saying there's no talent to understanding the tires?

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Hamilton is a good driver, he has improved but to put him at the top I am not sure. I think there are better drivers. Each to their own.

SadPSPAddict

Popular opinion in the paddock is that Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel are the best 3 drivers!

Fair enough, I think Alonso is up there as one of the best drivers (personality from what he is quoted as saying in the past I am not sure on, but recently he seems to have got better so maybe he has changed or has not had bad luck with the press) but Hamilton seems keen on money more than winning. Time will tell but I think staying at McLaren would have worked better for him, only Ferrari or Red Bull I would say are the other teams able to provide consistent championship winning cars. Brawn is a great designer and technical expert, as proven in the early 2000's with the Ferrari dominance but that has not translated since moving to Honda (which became Brawn then Mercedes). That team seems to be a midtable team realistically unless there is a dramatic change and then that will back his decision to leave. His ability when in clean air is great, but when under pressure he seems to get involved with accidents (Massa, Maldonada et al in previous seasons or this season). He wont give up a position to think of the bigger picture and that is sometimes needed, you cant win every race so finishing 4th would be better than loosing everything. However that is my view, I do not think he is the top driver out there at the moment, but that does not mean I think is rubbish. When he is switched on he is very very good, but when that spark he can have goes away then he seems to struggle.

But back to my original point, I still think Vettel is a talanted driver. I am not into Ferrari or Alonso so much is why I want Vettel to win. But I can see why people would want Ferrari to win, it would break the Red Bull run and give a different champion which is sometimes needed to break up the dominance seen in the Schumacher era 2000 onwards. 

But back to my original point, I still think Vettel is a talanted driver. I am not into Ferrari or Alonso so much is why I want Vettel to win. But I can see why people would want Ferrari to win, it would break the Red Bull run and give a different champion which is sometimes needed to break up the dominance seen in the Schumacher era 2000 onwards.

Garfield360UK

I support British teams and British drivers of which Ferrari/Red Bull are neither. If a British Team/Driver can't win then this year at least I think it's Alonso that deserves it the most. He has done nothing wrong, kept his nose clean and had fantastic results with a midfield car. Red Bull winning everything is getting old now and so yes I'd like to see a break in the dominance!

[QUOTE="SadPSPAddict"]

But by his own admission Webber struggled that year to understand the new tires - whereas Vettel seemed to take to them straight away. This 100% explains the "anomoly" you highlight and does nothing to disprove the theory that is was an "easy win" championship and that most of the top 10 drivers would have won in that car ( assuming they were able to work the tires - and let's face it there weren't any other "one driver can one driver can't" that year )

Rayrota

Well if that's the case, wouldn't that further prove our points? You're saying there's no talent to understanding the tires?

Or he got lucky and they suited his driving style from day 1 - who is to say?

[QUOTE="Garfield360UK"]

But back to my original point, I still think Vettel is a talanted driver. I am not into Ferrari or Alonso so much is why I want Vettel to win. But I can see why people would want Ferrari to win, it would break the Red Bull run and give a different champion which is sometimes needed to break up the dominance seen in the Schumacher era 2000 onwards.

SadPSPAddict

I support British teams and British drivers of which Ferrari/Red Bull are neither. If a British Team/Driver can't win then this year at least I think it's Alonso that deserves it the most. He has done nothing wrong, kept his nose clean and had fantastic results with a midfield car. Red Bull winning everything is getting old now and so yes I'd like to see a break in the dominance!

Fair enough, nothing wrong with that at all. Just one thing though, what has Vettel done wrong this year? It's down to personal preference to me, I like Vettel more than Alonso. He seems more likable as a person when he is interviewed in the BBC F1 Forum or whatever where as Alonso tends not be (however being shy is not a crime nor is wanting the media to leave you alone a bad thing either).

But yeah, roll on India. Looking forward to seeing more racing action! 

Just one thing though, what has Vettel done wrong this year? It's down to personal preference to me, I like Vettel more than Alonso. He seems more likable as a person when he is interviewed in the BBC F1 Forum or whatever where as Alonso tends not be (however being shy is not a crime nor is wanting the media to leave you alone a bad thing either).

But yeah, roll on India. Looking forward to seeing more racing action!

Garfield360UK

I don't think Vettel has done anything wrong. Raced clean, not said anything inappropriate and I agree he comes across well in interviews. I just hope the last 4 races aren't now a "Red Bull Steam Roller" - would very much spoil the end of a very exciting season ( and that's nothing to do with the drivers - I have enjoyed the mutliple different race winners and it would be great if we could see a Lotus/Sauber or even Force India take a win ). On that wouldn't it be great if Force India won in India!!