Dear all F1PU members,
I have origianlly founded this union to create a place for passionate F1 fans to discuss everything related to F1 and its video games. For around 2 years, I have ran this union through thick and thin. I have ran this union when there were less than 100 memebrs and barely an active officer. Those were probably the toughest days on the F1PU, but we managed to survuve.
I have always been there for the F1PU; however, and due to some personal problems, my activity in the F1PU dropped significantly in the last 2 months. As I said in a previous post, I know that my personal problems shouldn't affect the union, but it couldn't be helped. I appologize form the bottom of my heart to all the dear memebrs and officers.
Throughout those 2 months, there were 2 officers who helped to keep things running during my absence; namely: BlaZe_irl and kipi19. Those 2 were examples of good officers and I've always had faith in them, until the online meeting we held today...
You see, recently kipi have started his own F1 union. He initially stole the term "passion" and used the word "passionate" in his union's name; clearly a disgusting crime by steeling our beloved F1PU's theme. As the leader of the F1PU, I couldn't stand for anyone stealing the name of our union and using it for his own union. Therefore, I gave a warning to kipi to change the name of his union immediately, he appologized and changed it to something else.
In this meeting, me, Redders, blaze and kipi were to discuss and mainly solve the problem of having 2 separate F1 unions. Kipi suggested affiliation, but I did not see that in the benefit of the F1PU and its members. Therefore, I clearly stated once again that: The F1PU will continue working independent on any other union". However, that didn't seem to please kipi. the meeting was going fine after that until kipi ignited the converstaion with inappropriate words. Kipi started using extremly offensive and inappropraite language. Although I gave him a warning and asked him politely to watch his language, yet he insisted on keep on insulting me using extremly bad language.
I was shocked to see that coming from an officer who I though was a role model for officers. I couldn't believe that that bad-mannered kipi was indeed the kipi I have come to know throughout the time period we worked together at the F1PU! Then he even asked me to step down from my position as the leader of the F1PU and he put his name as a candidate; clearly it shows that all he wanted was the leadership position at the F1PU.
Despite my deep frustration and disappointment, I beared with the situation trying to save the F1PU administration. I invited him again along with Blaze to throw everything behind our backs and start fresh new, yet they didn't seem to like the idea, and kipi kept insulting me. However, the situation reached an unbearable point where the offensive language became just too much for me to accept, and as a result, I had to demote kipi.
As for Blaze, he has always been an excellent officer who quickly gained my respect. However, we couldn't come to an agreement in the meeting, and as a result he decided to resign.
Despite the unbearable amount of offensive language that I took, I still highly appreciate all the contributions of those two fine officers who have done a lot for the F1PU. Nevertheless, we cannot continue working together with the lack of respect.
The bottom line is, I have respected eveyone in this union; but when someone does not show you respect then you cannot work with him. I ask you dear memebrs and remaining officers to work with me as one hand to bring the glory back to the F1PU.
As a leader, I'll always be available for your questions via PM for the next 3 weeks, since I have a break till then. And even after that, I'll be here most of the time for you dear members. We are trying to revive this union, but we'll need you support dear members, without you this place serves no purpose.
For those of you who ask why did I demote kipi; do you understand now my reasons? Do you really want to have such an officer who have shows no respect to others; slamming them with insults and inappropriate language? Do you want someone who even stole the F1PU's theme (passion) and used it in his own F1 union? I don't think that's an example of a good officer.
Thank you so much for taking time to read this long letter, and I hope that I'll see you on the board as much often as possible. Please remeber that my door is always open for your questions via the PM.
I promise you, as the leader, to be there when you need me.
Kind regards,
The F1PU Leader (aloushi87)
A letter from the Leader (urgent matter!)
Don't you dare slant me, i put my rights as an officer on the line for the benefit of the union, i did use some colourful language i admit this, but i did so to protect the members of this union, i only have their interests at heart and i want to be able to lead them in a new direction, one they may choose and wish to have.
I don't wish to be made the bad guy for protecting the interests of this great union, and i did not purposefully steal the name of this union for my own, i simply had no other ideas at the time, and has now been recently changed. i thought that, that matter was finished, seems not.
I have done my upmost best with Blaze to keep this union alive whilst you have been away for personal reasons, and i have understood this, but it seems our efforts don't seem to matter much becuase it seems you just said thanks, and have tried to go back the post of "leader"
I do hope the other members of this union of whom are extremely valued in my opinion can see my point of view.
Your recently demoted officer and relieved member
Kip
As part of this meeting, I am now rather stressed out after it, as it turned out the way I hoped that it wouldn't: we have lost 2 of our top officers here, and things have turned rather sour. In the heat of the discussion when things got out of hand, I stepped back because both Aloushi and Kipi had told me there was no problems; obviously this wasn't the case, but we shall not dwell on this, as all parties have now made their decisions.
As for my position, I will remain an active officer for both Unions, dedicating my time to each. At the end of the day, I shall not and will not be persuaded to either side, otherwise this would be out-of-character for me.
Both parties have made their statements clear to you, therefore you may choose who you feel more comfortable with. All I will say now is that Aloushi and Kipi will go their seperate ways, and plans will soon be made for both Unions.
I have said my piece, and whilst behind the scenes I may feel there will be more discussions for me, from now on I shall no more talk about this matter in public - I will continue to bring you news from the world of Formula 1, competitions to join in with, and my insight of what I know,which was, and will still be, my sole intention here.
Kindest Regards,
Redders.
Don't you dare slant me, i put my rights as an officer on the line for the benefit of the union, i did use some colourful language i admit this, but i did so to protect the members of this union, i only have their interests at heart and i want to be able to lead them in a new direction, one they may choose and wish to have.
I don't wish to be made the bad guy for protecting the interests of this great union, and i did not purposefully steal the name of this union for my own, i simply had no other ideas at the time, and has now been recently changed. i thought that, that matter was finished, seems not.
I have done my upmost best with Blaze to keep this union alive whilst you have been away for personal reasons, and i have understood this, but it seems our efforts don't seem to matter much becuase it seems you just said thanks, and have tried to go back the post of "leader"
I do hope the other members of this union of whom are extremely valued in my opinion can see my point of view.
Your recently demoted officer and relieved member
kipi19
Kip
Colourful language?!?! You call that colourful language?! Well last time I checked, the bad language you used with me didn't go under the "colourful language" category. And you say that you did so "to protect the members of this union"; does that give you the right to insult me and slam me with the worst language one can use?
You say that you had no other idea at that time for the name of your union, does that give you the right to steal the F1PU's theme? I think not.
How many times do I have to state that I appreciate your efforts you and Blaze, but what do you want in return Kipi? The leadership of the F1PU?! Sorry, but there are limits.
I have come to know the real you after that meeting, kipi. Please do not show up again on our board unless you want to discuss F1 in a "civilized" manner and using "clean language".
Stop deceiving the dear members of this passionate union.
i wont comment on the actions of anyone but I'll say this its much better to have a ONE BIG union rather than having your own little unions. As aloushi has stated that this union has seen its bad times, how can anybody be so arrogant to go out and make his/her own union and expect it to flourish. I've seen many people who have done such things at GS and all fail. Only those unions survive where there are a lot of members and no one is greedy to get an officer or leader badge. Then again, all the unions, I have been at, save for a few officers, rest of them just want the badge for show-off. So dont go out making your own silly unions, rather bring more members at the primary union and be friendly.Don_Shadio
Thank you, Don_Shadio. :)
As part of this meeting, I am now rather stressed out after it, as it turned out the way I hoped that it wouldn't: we have lost 2 of our top officers here, and things have turned rather sour. In the heat of the discussion when things got out of hand, I stepped back because both Aloushi and Kipi had told me there was no problems; obviously this wasn't the case, but we shall not dwell on this, as all parties have now made their decisions.
As for my position, I will remain an active officer for both Unions, dedicating my time to each. At the end of the day, I shall not and will not be persuaded to either side, otherwise this would be out-of-character for me.
Both parties have made their statements clear to you, therefore you may choose who you feel more comfortable with. All I will say now is that Aloushi and Kipi will go their seperate ways, and plans will soon be made for both Unions.
I have said my piece, and whilst behind the scenes I may feel there will be more discussions for me, from now on I shall no more talk about this matter in public - I will continue to bring you news from the world of Formula 1, competitions to join in with, and my insight of what I know,which was, and will still be, my sole intention here.
Kindest Regards,
Redders1989
Redders.
Thanks again Redders, your effort in the meeting was very valuable.
Welcome again in our F1PU Administration. :)
Why do I have a pile of PM's telling me I've been kicked and I've also resigned? I'm confused, because this has happened on both F1 unions.. I'm totally lost now.cjek
Hmm.. I'm not sure about that, may be a GS bug or smth.
Anyway, I'll promote you again into an officer.
I am not trying to do anything except give the people what they want. i'm dissapointed in you aloushi simply for the the fact that you seem to think its okay to remove me from my post and let the others put up with it, i have worked hard to earn my respect into everyone's hearts, i do wish to continue being here, only on the condition that things change, i am fed-up of being in a one person run union. it just seems to me that you are judge jury and executioner and that is wrong.
I am going to ask the members of this union if they wish to have me back.
Dear members and officers of the F1PU, due recent circumstances i have been removed, and i wish to continue my services here, but i can only do so with your help, so i ask of you to say if i should or should belong here and why.
thank you.
[QUOTE="cjek"]Why do I have a pile of PM's telling me I've been kicked and I've also resigned? I'm confused, because this has happened on both F1 unions.. I'm totally lost now.aloushi87
Hmm.. I'm not sure about that, may be a GS bug or smth.
Anyway, I'll promote you again into an officer.
Thanks. Most likely a bug, as I've also recently lost my entire blog, all my videos, and all my reviews.
I am not trying to do anything except give the people what they want. i'm dissapointed in you aloushi simply for the the fact that you seem to think its okay to remove me from my post and let the others put up with it, i have worked hard to earn my respect into everyone's hearts, i do wish to continue being here, only on the condition that things change, i am fed-up of being in a one person run union. it just seems to me that you are judge jury and executioner and that is wrong.
I am going to ask the members of this union if they wish to have me back.
Dear members and officers of the F1PU, due recent circumstances i have been removed, and i wish to continue my services here, but i can only do so with your help, so i ask of you to say if i should or should belong here and why.
thank you.
kipi19
You have worked hard to gain the other members' respect? Kipi, yuo gained my respect by what you've done for the F1PU, however; I lost all respect to you after that online meeting. And if members were to witness that conversation, I'm sure they would've lost all respect to you as well.
You say that you "wish to continue your services here", well I remember that when I clearly asked you "Do you want to continue working with us?" your reply was that you cannot continue working under my leadership. Therefore, you were the one who brought it on himself. Do not say that I demoted you on my own. Of course, all the insults and bad language didn't help in keeping you as an officer either.
You were the one who burnt his seat at the F1PU administration, you cannot just play around by first stating that you do not want to contniue working with us then you come back and ask the F1PU crowd to vote for your return. You have absolutely no right to ask the dear F1PU people here to vote for your return or not, after what you've done and said.
DO NOT TRY TO PLAY WITH THEIR EMOTIONS FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT!
well ive been asked to join the other unions but ill pass.im gonna run with this union since yove delivered on news when i need it and i hope you can keep delivering.dont let this conflict effect the quality of the union.k-diddy66
Thanks k-diddy66, the F1PU will continue delivering what its members expect from it with the highest possible standards of quality and respect.
You DO NOT speak for the people of F1PU aloushi and that is something you have always done and is wrong, if i want to be back, its becuase i want to do it for them, and try and pay back the support i was given in your absense, I wish for the people of F1PU to voice their opinion and let us all know what they wish and want to do. even if they want me gone
I think we all need to hear what they have to say, since we have given them something, i believe they should let us know what they want :)
Good job making us look like the bad guys, when our best interests were in the union :roll:
....aloushi, you go on about "our dear members" and how "without you this place serves no purpose"....how about you quit with that charade OK? in the meet you said things like "there will be no vote of confidence or such", "as for the members, many of them seemed to welcome me back as the leader", "I'm back to the F1PU, and I'm trying to fix things, and every1 seems to accept that"....and my favourite one...
"when it comes to demoting, ,there r only two persosn who decide, The leader and the officer, not the union"...doesnt sound like you care too much about the "dear" members here does it? what if all 300+ members here were unhappy with your leadership? you would just toss it aside with some "only the leader/officers can make this decision yadayadayada..." well people wouldnt buy that....
Some of these quotes show that you are telling members what to think, regardless of their own opinions...
So do you wana know what really happened? All we asked of aloushi was to hold a f****** vote of no confidence, ie a vote where YOU GUYS actually had a say in the recent leadership crisis.....
face it m8, you wont be able to keep promises come september. You'll be at uni doing whatever the f*** your doing and I know this union wont be in your agenda.....at least this time, at least TRY not to get everyones hope up before you go again.
Aloushi, it was unnesscessary to demote kipi19 and Blaze that fast after a meeting. After these two years, these two guys made a huge amount of contribution to the union.
I know it was hurting when Kipi insulted you with those words, but you have to resist... One of my friends kept insult meat school with those words to but I tried to ingore those words and understand his feeling before I took any actions.
Aloushi, think again... They have always be with the union after all these years.
I will keep posting any news about F1 to keep the union active.
KindRegards,
Khoo1992
I've been a member of this union for almost a year now and I'll admit, Blaze and Kipi did do a lot of good for the union. However, Aloushi is the leader, and I think we should stand by him in his decisions.
It should really be his descicion to make, its you the guys in the union who should be able to say "we don't want this person here" or some stuff like that, i respect everyones opinion weaher it be good or bad of me, i want to know how you feel.
and i respect that some of you do not have a high opinion of me anymore and i understand that i should not of done what i did but i have a passion for this union and its members and this was the reason i may have lost my temper in the meeting.
It should really be his descicion to make, its you the guys in the union who should be able to say "we don't want this person here" or some stuff like that, i respect everyones opinion weaher it be good or bad of me, i want to know how you feel.
and i respect that some of you do not have a high opinion of me anymore and i understand that i should not of done what i did but i have a passion for this union and its members and this was the reason i may have lost my temper in the meeting.
kipi19
I still have a high opinion of you. I appriciate all the work you done for the union. I'm just saying that Aloushi has made his decision, he's sticking by his decisions and I respect that. I've personally never experienced these incidents that your talking about(where a member tries to voice their opinion or idea and Aloushi has disregarded it).
Thank you tanner, I just hink decisions for the sacking of a F1PU admin should just be done by the Leader, if the members wish to have their say on the matter, they should be aloud, which is what i tried to have happen in the meeting yesterday, i thought we should have a vote of no confidence to see what you members think of aloushi and if he should still remain leader, yet he dismissed and said there will be no vote.
I find it unacceptable that i was sacked so quick, and withoutother members thoughts on the matter
I'm a founding member of the spirted f1 community, but I will still remain in both unions
It is a shame that everyone cant get along, And the worse thing to happen wud be gamespot's F1 community spilt between two
factions if u will, Hopefully that wont happen and hopefully everyone can resolve there differences.
Good job making us look like the bad guys, when our best interests were in the union :roll:
BlaZe_irl
I did not make you look like the bad guys; I just stated what happened at that meeting, Blaze.
"when it comes to demoting, ,there r only two persosn who decide, The leader and the officer, not the union"...doesnt sound like you care too much about the "dear" members here does it? what if all 300+ members here were unhappy with your leadership? you would just toss it aside with some "only the leader/officers can make this decision yadayadayada..." well people wouldnt buy that....
BlaZe_irl
In the F1PU, the promoting decision is taken by the leader only. As for demoting, it is either decided by the leader or the officer does it on his own by resigning. That doesn't mean that the members' opinion is not taken into consideration, but there are things that are decided by the F1PU Administration only, and even some of these are decided by the leader only.
For example, the BATracer signing up procedure's decision is taken by the members, and not the F1PU administration. But other stuff like demoting and promoting is done by the admin and the leader.
face it m8, you wont be able to keep promises come september. You'll be at uni doing whatever the f*** your doing and I know this union wont be in your agenda.....at least this time, at least TRY not to get everyones hope up before you go again.
BlaZe_irl
That's your thought, and I hope it's not what you wish for, Blaze. I have my personal life, and uni should come first for anyone. When you become a uni student you'll come to understand how important it is; your performance there is what determines your future, and I can't take any risks. However, and as I have stated in my letter, I'll still be around after my break, even if at a natural lower rate due to the uni work.
And you say that you "know that this union wont be in your agenda"; well Blaze, can you see the future or what?! Don't decide on things that you have no control over. I'm not giving anyone false hopes; time shall reveal it.
Aloushi, it was unnesscessary to demote kipi19 and Blaze that fast after a meeting. After these two years, these two guys made a huge amount of contribution to the union.
Khoo1992
Please note that I demoted kipi only; Blaze took the resigning decision by himself. I've always appreciated their efforts in the F1PU, but to kipi that doesn't seem to be enough.
I know it was hurting when Kipi insulted you with those words, but you have to resist... One of my friends kept insult meat school with those words to but I tried to ingore those words and understand his feeling before I took any actions.
Khoo1992
I took the insults for too long, but then they became way too much to take. An officer should show respect to the leader, and kipi didn't show any in that meeting.
Plus, please remeber the follwoing: kipi did NOT want to continue under my leadership, so I suppose he was going to resign either way. Nevertheless, all those terrible insults didn't help in keeping him as an officer.
Aloushi, think again... They have always be with the union after all these years.
Khoo1992
Khoo, I have given them chances during the meeting. As I said in a previous post, I invited them to forget the past and work together again, but they refused. There's nothing more I can do.
I've been a member of this union for almost a year now and I'll admit, Blaze and Kipi did do a lot of good for the union. However, Aloushi is the leader, and I think we should stand by him in his decisions.
TannerRules
Thanks for your support. :)
I've personally never experienced these incidents that your talking about(where a member tries to voice their opinion or idea and Aloushi has disregarded it).
TannerRules
Thanks again, this proofs to everyone (including kipi) that I never disregarded or disrepected a F1PU member.
Well Aloushi has returned as we wished, and has started to contribute fully to the union again as we wished. To me that put things back on track here
cjek
Thanks for that. I said that I have returned and that I'll start contributing a lot to the F1PU, and I think that my recent work shows it.
So I'll keep out of this and continue to participate in the union as normal. Hopefully we can all just forget any problems we have here and move on.cjek
Welcome again on board. I'll say it again, I have invited both of them to forget the past and work together again; eventhough it would be difficult to work with someone who have shown extreme disrespect to me. Anyway, they refused.
My personal opinion is that there is no point in having two or more split unions and fans of F1 simple because we are not so many and its not a matter that supports it. It is much better to go to only one place like F1PU. mavediss
That's what almost everyone agrees on, but it doesn't seem to work.
Regarding to leaders and officers issues it is difficult to know in detail what has happened but the leader should have his own standards to support decisions like that.
mavediss
As I've said in a previous post, there are things that are decided by the members, others by the F1PU admin, and some by the leader only.
The bottom line is that we are here to enjoy F1 matters and this is what we care. I think that personal matters and giant egos should stay outside. Everyone that is interested to talk, discuss or just read about F1 and related games should be welcome. We should remember to work as a team like F1 sport.mavediss
Very true; the F1PU is a place where everyone and anyone can disucss everything and anything about F1 and its games.
I'm a founding member of the spirted f1 community, but I will still remain in both unions
It is a shame that everyone cant get along, And the worse thing to happen wud be gamespot's F1 community spilt between two
factions if u will, Hopefully that wont happen and hopefully everyone can resolve there differences.
ShamrockRovers
Welcome anytime to the F1PU. :)
I hate to have conflicts with anyone, but this is how things turned out.
controversy in Formula 1 and now contraversy in F1PU lol, i dont know in inside details so i'll take the same stand a 'cjek'mjk1
lol, it seems to so!
Anyway, we have a lot of work and there are many new members. I don't want to waste more time on this, let's work together as one team!
ok....I know I said I wasnt coming back here anymore, I deeply apologise to the people who were glad to see the back of me, and im sorry for disturbing F1PU's now standard periods of silence but.....
but aloushi, you are making us look bad guys here mate, going down the list and in EVERY reply you mentioned how we "refused to work together with you", making it look like we turned our backs on the union, when in fact it was the opposite, YOU couldnt work with US to reach an agreement over the vote (when all 3 offciers in attendance agreed this was best)...you specifically mentioned that you WOULD have a poll to see if the members wanted a vote or not...where is it? You go on about how kipi deeply insulted you with various insults, but the thing is, any opinions he gave, you tossed out the window in one short msg, repeating things like "this/ that isnt nessecary...do you want to continue with f1pu?" ...how would you react having your opinion constantly ignored and "anwsered" by an irrelevant comment? also the argument didnt arise over the "affiliation" but because you wouldnt consider a vote of no confidence
now....any comments I had made, were blatanly ignored as aloushi would rather challenge kipi instead of responding to me. I would make a comment, kipi would agree, aloushi would say something like "dont step into our matters kipi"..."you are no longer an officer at f1pu" which would then spark another round of arguments leaving my comment unanswered.
at this point i was sick of being ignored (face it mate you said you were listening, but you never once gave me a decent reply) and I decided to go aggressive. And where does trying to express my opinion get me? ill tell you: "u know what, u r also kicked out of teh F1PU as of this moment for lack of respect and use of inappropriate language"
Now speaking of disrespect?!?!? you blatantly ignore me for the best part of 40 mins, and when I lose my temper (which I shouldnt of done but still...) at this, you decide to demote me just like that after a few comments (i counted at most 2 aggressive comments on my part)?!?! Ive said it before and I shall it again, ive worked hard here, and the fact you would show me such DISRESPECT while you rub it in kipi's face that he is "no longer an officer at F1pu"....ok, you offered me the position again, but the fact that you would consider my demotion was enough to show me how you really thought.
ok listen mate, im not sure why having leadership is THAT important to you....you even said it yourself that you didnt think it was....why not just step down into an officer position?!? there is no difference having a orange tag instead of a green tag, except how it is motivational for the recruits....
Everyone here is smart enough to know that when aloushi goes to university, he is gona have a ton of work thrown at him, and his future is more important than this place. Regardless of what he says, hes not gona be around much after september due to this. Do you as a member really want an absentee leader? one will come once around every so often? Im not trying to turn you against him, but im just stating the obvious here....life is catching up with him, and he will have better things to worry about than wether the vision thread gets updated in time...
But like I said, im not telling you how to think nor am I trying to turn you against aloushi....im just saying things EVERYONE should consider in the long term....
but aloushi, you are making us look bad guys here mate, going down the list and in EVERY reply you mentioned how we "refused to work together with you", making it look like we turned our backs on the union, when in fact it was the opposite, YOU couldnt work with US to reach an agreement over the vote (when all 3 offciers in attendance agreed this was best)...you specifically mentioned that you WOULD have a poll to see if the members wanted a vote or not...where is it?
BlaZe_irl
No, blaze, you guys clearly stated that you CANNOT continue working under my leadership, therefore; it is you and kipi who refuse to work with me. And it's true that when I got really fed up, I was that close to making the poll, but then kipi had to go so far with his insults and offensive language that mixed up the whole converstaion and our moods.
You go on about how kipi deeply insulted you with various insults, but the thing is, any opinions he gave, you tossed out the window in one short msg, repeating things like "this/ that isnt nessecary...do you want to continue with f1pu?" ...how would you react having your opinion constantly ignored and "anwsered" by an irrelevant comment?
BlaZe_irl
I took everybody's opinions in consideration and commented on them, but then kipi started with his sacrcastic replies that really pissed me off. I wouldn't bother replying to sarcastic replies, no reasonable person would.
also the argument didnt arise over the "affiliation" but because you wouldnt consider a vote of no confidence
BlaZe_irl
Is that so, Blaze?! Well, then how do you explain kipi's sarcastic comments before our argument heated up; such as when I asked for your repiles guys, kipi replied with:
" I dunno. there. happy now"
And how abou this one:
"Well, Ali, we need to come up with a long-term solution not a short-term one, cus all it'll do is get members in for a bit, then they'll leave again. and i hope it doesn't include you, but who knows right?"
Clearly, it shows how sarcastic he was by saying "I hope it doesn't include you, but who knows right?"
Or better still, read this quote:
"you only want to do this cus you want the attention for yourself so you can see my union suffer and say " i told you so""
Great! So now he's accusing me of something I would never do; because I'm a respectful leader of a respectful union, and I do not step to that level of being low. That was very childish..
now....any comments I had made, were blatanly ignored as aloushi would rather challenge kipi instead of responding to me. I would make a comment, kipi would agree, aloushi would say something like "dont step into our matters kipi"..."you are no longer an officer at f1pu" which would then spark another round of arguments leaving my comment unanswered.
BlaZe_irl
I did not ignore your comments; I just asked you to wait a bit till I finish with kipi, and I said that politely with the phrases:
"just a sec, , chris"
And I replied after that. As for the "dont step in our matters kipi", that happened after kipi got demoted, it was then when I started ignoring his comments simply because of the extremly offensive and sarcastic replies.
at this point i was sick of being ignored (face it mate you said you were listening, but you never once gave me a decent reply) and I decided to go aggressive. And where does trying to express my opinion get me? ill tell you: "u know what, u r also kicked out of teh F1PU as of this moment for lack of respect and use of inappropriate language"
BlaZe_irl
Agressive?! You went disrespectful, blaze, and you know what language you used!
As for that phrase I wrote "u know what..." it was meant to kipi and NOT to you!!!
I never wanted to demote and I didn't! That was a misunderstanding, may be the phrase wasn't clear enough.
Now speaking of disrespect?!?!? you blatantly ignore me for the best part of 40 mins, and when I lose my temper (which I shouldnt of done but still...) at this, you decide to demote me just like that after a few comments (i counted at most 2 aggressive comments on my part)?!?!
BlaZe_irl
Again, you misudnerstood my phrase, that was to kipi and NOT to you. I'll say it once again, I never intended to demote you, and I didn't.
ve said it before and I shall it again, ive worked hard here, and the fact you would show me such DISRESPECT while you rub it in kipi's face that he is "no longer an officer at F1pu"....ok, you offered me the position again, but the fact that you would consider my demotion was enough to show me how you really thought.
BlaZe_irl
Blaze my friend, I didn't show any disrespect to anyone in the meeting, and not to you of course. I offered you the position again after YOU decided to resign, because I respected you and valued you. Again, it seems that misunderstood that phrase, that I was directing to kipi and not to you.
ok listen mate, im not sure why having leadership is THAT important to you....you even said it yourself that you didnt think it was....why not just step down into an officer position?!? there is no difference having a orange tag instead of a green tag, except how it is motivational for the recruits....
BlaZe_irl
I admit that I said that I didn't think my position was that important to the union, but that's because you officers have almost the same privelages as me in the union. Many members, if not most of them, didn't seem to be affected by my absence, and that's why I said what I said, but you and kipi made a big deal out of it.
Everyone here is smart enough to know that when aloushi goes to university, he is gona have a ton of work thrown at him, and his future is more important than this place. Regardless of what he says, hes not gona be around much after september due to this. Do you as a member really want an absentee leader? one will come once around every so often? Im not trying to turn you against him, but im just stating the obvious here....life is catching up with him, and he will have better things to worry about than wether the vision thread gets updated in time...
BlaZe_irl
OMG! Won't you let it off, blaze?! I wont bother typing the response which I have wrote many times in the previous posts about me being around in he future.
But like I said, im not telling you how to think nor am I trying to turn you against aloushi....im just saying things EVERYONE should consider in the long term....BlaZe_irl
Oh yeah?! You are not trying to turn them on me?! Well, the way you wrote stuff here seems to suggest the opposite!!!
Please, I'm sick of this futile argument. I'd rather focus now on improving the F1PU, and not getting into more of futile arguments.
I went to that meeting expecting a professional one; since I had a lot of respect to the officers before that meeting. Things went out fine at the beginning, but unfortunately the larger portion turned out the opposite; with insults flying here and there acompanied with sarcastic replies! This wasn't the way I expected the argument to be from officers who I respected and highly appreciated.
Blaze, I hope that the misunderstaning of that phrase wasn't the reason of your resignation, or at least didn't contribute to that decision. I never intended to demote you; and in the meeting I clearly left the decision to you. In the end, it was you who decided to resign. Yet, if you still wish to work at the F1PU, you are still welcomed.
Kipi, you clearly stated that you cannot continue working under my leadership, so were you going to resign even if I didn't demote you? The logical answer (given what you stated) would be "yes". You hit me hard with insults and offensive language, yet I can forget that. I don't hold any hard feelings toward your move of forming your own F1 union. It's your right, it's your ambition; and that's actually nice to have ambition. But it can be clearly observed that there aren't many F1 people here at GS, and having two separate F1 unions would divide a small number into even a smaller one. That does not benefit F1 fans here at GS.
If you guys wish to work again with us at the F1PU, we can all forget the past and focus on one F1 union and improve it even further. It's up to you.
Remember, I have no hard feelings to any of you.
Improve the Union? what have you done to improve it so far then eh?
I am So flaming sick of being made out to be thebas**rd here Ali, i stuck my neck on the line for this union and i have been made to pay for it, FINE!, but i do think that you are a selfish leader who only has plans for yourself and no one else, you just listen to people's comment and then twist the answer into your wanting.
This cannot continue, i feel you are no longer capable of leadership as i have said many times now. if you look at this union, yea sure the activity has picked up, but to what 10-15 posts a day? and a few good threads keeping people interested.
I admit i lost my head in the meeting saturday, but i have a short temper for people who are selfish and are only out for themselves, i have been treated like S**t before and be made out to be the bad guy, I am not going to let this happen again.
I think it is pathetic how you make me and Chris to be the bad guys and make yourself so called "Leader" and expect to come back to a cosy union who thinks they will welcome you with open arms. Sorry, it hasn't happened.
people may suck up to you, thats because they don't know the full story, and i think itsa shame they don't. you are twisting things to make yourself look good and i am sickand tired of it.
holy s*** if you put as much effort into this union as you did replying to my post everything would be different
It looks like this argument will never end... yet I have to reply to clear things out, again!No, blaze, you guys clearly stated that you CANNOT continue working under my leadership, therefore; it is you and kipi who refuse to work with me. And it's true that when I got really fed up, I was that close to making the poll, but then kipi had to go so far with his insults and offensive language that mixed up the whole converstaion and our moods.
I took everybody's opinions in consideration and commented on them, but then kipi started with his sacrcastic replies that really pissed me off. I wouldn't bother replying to sarcastic replies, no reasonable person would.aloushi87
yeh point the finger at us again why dont ya! I said in my thread that i was gona leave, you responded and i thought ok, its over now....THEN you go and stirr the sh!t my responding to my post here AFTER that, and telling everyone that it was me and kipi in the wrong....
Is that so, Blaze?! Well, then how do you explain kipi's sarcastic comments before our argument heated up; such as when I asked for your repiles guys, kipi replied with:
" I dunno. there. happy now"And how abou this one:
"Well, Ali, we need to come up with a long-term solution not a short-term one, cus all it'll do is get members in for a bit, then they'll leave again. and i hope it doesn't include you, but who knows right?"
Clearly, it shows how sarcastic he was by saying "I hope it doesn't include you, but who knows right?"
Or better still, read this quote:
"you only want to do this cus you want the attention for yourself so you can see my union suffer and say " i told you so""
Great! So now he's accusing me of something I would never do; because I'm a respectful leader of a respectful union, and I do not step to that level of being low. That was very childish..aloushi87
see there you go again....answering my comment with an irrelevant remark...wtf has the row between you and kipi got to do with what i said? me and redders were also in favour of the vote, and we were CALM....your just using the kipi-row so avoid having to answer WHY you didnt have the vote....
I did not ignore your comments; I just asked you to wait a bit till I finish with kipi, and I said that politely with the phrases:
"just a sec, , chris"
And I replied after that. As for the "dont step in our matters kipi", that happened after kipi got demoted, it was then when I started ignoring his comments simply because of the extremly offensive and sarcastic replies.aloushi87
was i in this frickin convo?
ehhh....yeh you said "just a sec, chris".... BUT YOU NEVER ANSWERED?!
Agressive?! You went disrespectful, blaze, and you know what language you used!
As for that phrase I wrote "u know what..." it was meant to kipi and NOT to you!!!
I never wanted to demote and I didn't! That was a misunderstanding, may be the phrase wasn't clear enough.aloushi87
wtf are you smoking.....i made about 3 comments with aggressive language, because i was pissed at you ignoring me? but noooo you would rather ignite the row with kipi again....and you call yourself a respectful leader who wouldnt go that low...
Again, you misudnerstood my phrase, that was to kipi and NOT to you. I'll say it once again, I never intended to demote you, and I didn't.aloushi87
oh yeh? if it wasnt directed at me, why did you say "you know what, you are ALSO demoted...." (note the word ALSO)
I admit that I said that I didn't think my position was that important to the union, but that's because you officers have almost the same privelages as me in the union. Many members, if not most of them, didn't seem to be affected by my absence, and that's why I said what I said, but you and kipi made a big deal out of it.aloushi87
yeh they werent affected because they got sick of it and left ages ago....
OMG! Won't you let it off, blaze?! I wont bother typing the response which I have wrote many times in the previous posts about me being around in he future.aloushi87
yeh because you wont be here.....am i right?!?! 8) glad you finally decided to stop lying to everyone
Oh yeah?! You are not trying to turn them on me?! Well, the way you wrote stuff here seems to suggest the opposite!!!
Please, I'm sick of this futile argument. I'd rather focus now on improving the F1PU, and not getting into more of futile arguments.aloushi87
would you wise up....sounding slightly paranoid mate :roll:
IMPROVING THE UNION! OMG :lol: You've made about 4 threads in a like a week!! at that rate it'll be 2008 before we see anything worth talkin about! whats worse is you go around acting like youve made a difference since youve come back! good job, your one helluva leader *lies*
Futile arguement? thats how you see this? we'll see how futile it is when you clear off again and there arent enough ppl to keep this place above water because me and kipi arent here
Ok that's it; I think I did my best to fix things again, but you (blaze) and kipi just do not want to have peace and harmony between us.
As for the "ALSO", I was directing it to kipi and I used that word to imply that "in addition" to the previous things kipi said, he's demoted for lack of respect and use of inappropriate language.
I invited you and kipi again to join us, but you guys declined in an agressive manner. There's nothing more I can do, and I'm not gonna bother replying to your posts because I'm really sick of this argument. To be honest, this argument is taking a lot of time that could be put into improving the union.
I'm not gonna waste anymore time here.
Is ignoring the problem always the way you have dealt with things before? cus if it is, shame on you cus this isn't going to go away easily my good chum, the fact fo the matter is you treated us poorly after we stuck our necks for this union, we kept it going for months on end whilst you did a no show. and in the meeting we did as well.
We did our best for this union and yet you can just seem to chuck it aside as if it were nothing. I'm still very dissapointed in the way things have dealt with in all of this. i admit i had my doing in this but it doesn't count for your ruthless and absolutly pathetic attitude as leader.
Answer me, honestly kipi. But that doesn't seem to be enough for you kipi! What's enough for you?!
And btw, I do not ignore problems, but you guys are repeating the same points over and over again! You go with the same phrases like: we did a lot for the union but you don't appreciate it.. etc. This is turning into a futile argument, and that's why I don't want to continue in it.
yea you're right, it is getting tedious, but we feel maybe a entry into the Hall of fame or something going under "beyond the call of duty or something" who knows, we just feel very put down by all of this, and this vote issue still needs to be sorted, we still think a vote should be held on the leadership issues Aloushi.
No matter what the vote should of been held ages ago and you damn well know it, you said you would but you seem to have gone back on that after you said to me, chris and redders.
Is this how your leadership works? you promise something but then don't deliver on it, cus thats how it seems at the moment.
Do you mean that you and blaze still want that vote to take place before you can return to the F1PU?
aloushi87
Are you only realising that by now?...well actually I dont plan to return but I still want the vote.
BTW I wasnt being sarcastic, I genuinely thought you were leaving....I'll be more clearer in the future
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