Ecclestone critical of team bosses

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#1 Redders1989
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F1 team bosses should spend more effort in making their teams better, rather than trying to rig the sport's rules in their favour to gain an unfair advantage.

That is the view of Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, who reckons teams fail to look at the global side of the sport in their search for victory.

The F1 boss said it was a question of "stupidity" rather than about egos.

"They should probably all see that they run their own businesses properly and not worry about others'," Ecclestone said in an interview with the official Formula 1 website.

"What is good for Formula 1 is good for everybody involved - teams and companies. Too many people only think about what is good for them. It's the same with the rules - they only think about what can make them win."

When asked if it was an ego-related problem, he said: "I wouldn't call it ego but stupidity. They should think about the whole global side of it. All the teams are very competitive and want to win, which I support completely, but they need to want to win on level terms and not try to get a big advantage.

"If they get an advantage because somebody designs a better car or they have a better driver or strategy, then super. But they should not try to devise things so that they can go in knowing that they have an advantage.

"Lots of them would like to go in and have a little bit of a bigger engine than the others, which is not really the way to go."

SOURCE: Autosport

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#2 kipi19
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Bernie, Please...Go home.
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What kipi said :lol: I think everyone in F1 is sick of Bernie, and has been for a long time.
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#4 KimisApprentice
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But they should not try to devise things so that they can go in knowing that they have an advantage.

 

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Redders1989

Wait wait wait. So Bernie, why doesn't your flagship series just be a spec series then there can be no possibility for an advantage mechanically. BERNIE you used to run Brabham YOU know that teams have always had the scope to develop an advantage this is integral to Formula 1 you silly old todger!

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#5 raynimrod
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*sigh* I miss the early-to-mid 90's when a lot of the stupid rules and regulations we have now, didn't exist.
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*sigh* I miss the early-to-mid 90's when a lot of the stupid rules and regulations we have now, didn't exist.raynimrod

You also miss the lack of safety don't you?

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#7 kipi19
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In a sense, yes.

Drivers are farrrr too wrapped up in cotton wool nowadays with all these run offs etc, These cars are safe as houses and thats been proven by Robert Kubica a few years ago, Drivers need to have some fear put back into them cus its too easy for them nowadays, and I agree with Raynimrod, I miss the old days, less restrictions, let the teams go hell for leather to beat each other.

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In a sense, yes.

Drivers are farrrr too wrapped up in cotton wool nowadays with all these run offs etc, These cars are safe as houses and thats been proven by Robert Kubica a few years ago, Drivers need to have some fear put back into them cus its too easy for them nowadays, and I agree with Raynimrod, I miss the old days, less restrictions, let the teams go hell for leather to beat each other.

kipi19

Then the FIA will have to put even more restrictions on the cars to improve safety.

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#9 kipi19
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You wouldn't need too, The carbon fibre cockits are immensly strong unlike the old days, E.G Alex Zanardi's accident in indycars, Michael's accident at Silverstone in 2000, Safety has gone on leaps and bounds, Engine sheilding and Fireproof overalls are top of the range as well, putting old designs back in with old designed tracks but with today's safety standards, you'd see some amazing racing.

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I'm fond of the sixties, pre-wing, suped-up roadsters. Death and danger around every hair raising corner, like the old Spa, where a dude was beheaded thanks to a barbwire fence. Those metal death traps would be greatly enhanced with a little carbon fiber.
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You wouldn't need too, The carbon fibre cockits are immensly strong unlike the old days, E.G Alex Zanardi's accident in indycars, Michael's accident at Silverstone in 2000, Safety has gone on leaps and bounds, Engine sheilding and Fireproof overalls are top of the range as well, putting old designs back in with old designed tracks but with today's safety standards, you'd see some amazing racing.

kipi19

But you said that you missed all the danger and that the drivers are too safe.
I assumed that you wanted the drivers to be less safe in their car which led me to saying that they would have to reduce the speed of the cars to counter this.

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I miss the older days too.
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[QUOTE="kipi19"]

You wouldn't need too, The carbon fibre cockits are immensly strong unlike the old days, E.G Alex Zanardi's accident in indycars, Michael's accident at Silverstone in 2000, Safety has gone on leaps and bounds, Engine sheilding and Fireproof overalls are top of the range as well, putting old designs back in with old designed tracks but with today's safety standards, you'd see some amazing racing.

dabest2500

But you said that you missed all the danger and that the drivers are too safe.
I assumed that you wanted the drivers to be less safe in their car which led me to saying that they would have to reduce the speed of the cars to counter this.

The cars are fine to be honest, My only problem with the cars is that there is just far too much aerodynamic grip on them that its just too easy to drive them, I very much welcome back the ground effect rule they wanna bring back, cus all this downforce is just ruining the racing in my view, I wanna see much more racing like Kobayashi pulled off in suzuka on a regular basis.

Cars in the 80s early 90s were at their fastest with the turbo engines pumping out 1200hp, but they were never as fast round a track as these cars now, top 190mph on the straights most of the time and going 20secs odd faster just due down to aerodynamic grip, thats what i want stripped off the cars

Get rid of run off areas, and bring back Mechanical grip, THEN, we'll be racing :)

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[QUOTE="dabest2500"][QUOTE="kipi19"]

You wouldn't need too, The carbon fibre cockits are immensly strong unlike the old days, E.G Alex Zanardi's accident in indycars, Michael's accident at Silverstone in 2000, Safety has gone on leaps and bounds, Engine sheilding and Fireproof overalls are top of the range as well, putting old designs back in with old designed tracks but with today's safety standards, you'd see some amazing racing.

kipi19

But you said that you missed all the danger and that the drivers are too safe.
I assumed that you wanted the drivers to be less safe in their car which led me to saying that they would have to reduce the speed of the cars to counter this.

The cars are fine to be honest, My only problem with the cars is that there is just far too much aerodynamic grip on them that its just too easy to drive them, I very much welcome back the ground effect rule they wanna bring back, cus all this downforce is just ruining the racing in my view, I wanna see much more racing like Kobayashi pulled off in suzuka on a regular basis.

Cars in the 80s early 90s were at their fastest with the turbo engines pumping out 1200hp, but they were never as fast round a track as these cars now, top 190mph on the straights most of the time and going 20secs odd faster just due down to aerodynamic grip, thats what i want stripped off the cars

Get rid of run off areas, and bring back Mechanical grip, THEN, we'll be racing :)

If anything, I want the cars to have even more grip and go faster.
But of course, have tighter regulations to improve the competitiveness.
Making the cars very similar to one another will make it very competitive like GP2 but engineers such as Adrian Newey won't be breaking out engineering feats because of this.

I haven't seen a single F1 race from the 80s or 90s apart from Niki Lauda's crash at the Nurburgring.

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Niki crashed in the 70's, I really urge you to look up 80s and 90s stuff, beacuse it'll open your eyes a lot more to what F1 was like and what it should still be today, F1 cars are fast around a lap for sure, but fast with each other? yes, But can they compete? no, Aerodynamics forbids this beacause cars cannot follow each other in closer racing unless in wet conditions. Look up 1986-1997 racing of F1

best time period for F1

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Niki crashed in the 70's, I really urge you to look up 80s and 90s stuff, beacuse it'll open your eyes a lot more to what F1 was like and what it should still be today, F1 cars are fast around a lap for sure, but fast with each other? yes, But can they compete? no, Aerodynamics forbids this beacause cars cannot follow each other in closer racing unless in wet conditions. Look up 1986-1997 racing of F1

best time period for F1

kipi19

I'll be sure to have a look tomorrow (quite tired today, and it's only 9:48 PM)

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#17 raynimrod
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Niki crashed in the 70's, I really urge you to look up 80s and 90s stuff, beacuse it'll open your eyes a lot more to what F1 was like and what it should still be today, F1 cars are fast around a lap for sure, but fast with each other? yes, But can they compete? no, Aerodynamics forbids this beacause cars cannot follow each other in closer racing unless in wet conditions. Look up 1986-1997 racing of F1

best time period for F1

kipi19

I completely agree with you mate, that's what I was talking about.  They were the best years of F1 for me.

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#18 SchumiF1
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Indeed, those were the golden years imo. The aero stuff is intriguing but it's really destroyed the racing.