.:: Formula 1 Technical Address ::.

It would be the driver who won their first race first.

Redders1989

Rule 7.2 (d): if this procedure [most firsts, seconds, thirds and so on] fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit."FIA F1 Sporting Regs

[QUOTE="Redders1989"]

It would be the driver who won their first race first.

XSamFisherX

Rule 7.2 (d): if this procedure [most firsts, seconds, thirds and so on] fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit."FIA F1 Sporting Regs

Seriously?

They could just change the criteria to favour one side.

If it was Alonso against Hamilton, we all know that Ferrari's little crier would win.

Remember Ferrari's International Assitant.

Thanks :D

Where do you get all this information from?dabest2500

The Championship one is in the regulations (first counted by points, if it's equal then the most number of wins, if that's equal then the most number of 2nd places (which is how Hamilton beat Alonso in 2007), and so on and so on. If by a miracle they're still tied after all the positions, then it's whoever scored the highest result first - which is what's being used to calculate the bottom three teams. Lotus are winning, HRT are 2nd and Virgin are 3rd), whereas the crash one is just an observation I've had watching the live timing screens during a race.

I asked this once but forgot the answer:

If two or more drivers cross the finish line at the exact same time with the same fastest lap time, who gets the win?dabest2500

Presumably, that situation would rise because the guy behind was trying to overtake. Therefore, it would be the leading driver, or whomever was ahead on the last sector.

Second question:

If two drivers simply don't attend a race weekend, including FP, quali and the race, who gets 23rd and 24th?

dabest2500

Well they'd be replaced by another driver. If, for whatever reason, there was no driver available, and a situation like that occurred, it'd be by Championship number, I.E. If both McLaren drivers weren't there, Button would rank ahead of Hamilton because JB has the number 1 whereas Hamilton is 2.

On a side note, if we have a technical thread, we should have a sporting thread as these are more on the sporting side of the regs.XSamFisherX

Good idea. I may create a thread later.

EDIT: Found it. [QUOTE="FIA F1 Sporting Regs"]Rule 7.2 (d): if this procedure [most firsts, seconds, thirds and so on] fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit."dabest2500

Seriously?

They could just change the criteria to favour one side.

If it was Alonso against Hamilton, we all know that Ferrari's little crier would win.

Remember Ferrari's International Assitant.

As I say, their first alternate criteria is always whoever scored the result first. I've never known it to be any different.

Also on your FIA point, I've not seen anything like that since at least Japan 2008.

[QUOTE="dabest2500"]EDIT: Found it. [QUOTE="FIA F1 Sporting Regs"]Rule 7.2 (d): if this procedure [most firsts, seconds, thirds and so on] fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit."Redders1989

Seriously?

They could just change the criteria to favour one side.

If it was Alonso against Hamilton, we all know that Ferrari's little crier would win.

Remember Ferrari's International Assitant.

As I say, their first alternate criteria is always whoever scored the result first. I've never known it to be any different.

Also on your FIA point, I've not seen anything like that since at least Japan 2008.

For the Ferrari/FIA point, I was only kidding :P

I just wanted to express my hate for Alonso.

Another question (I REALLY do hope that this is my last one):

When a driver replaces BUT for example, would the replacement get number 1 or get his own number?

When a driver replaces BUT for example, would the replacement get number 1 or get his own number? dabest2500

They do indeed. You can actually look at Yamamoto for this one; when he replaced Senna at Silverstone he drove #21, but when replacing Chandhok he's driven #20. They also use the engine allocation for the driver too, so say Sakon's engine blew up during a race for example, Chandhok would have one less engine to use even though it never blew on him.

[QUOTE="dabest2500"]When a driver replaces BUT for example, would the replacement get number 1 or get his own number? Redders1989

They do indeed. You can actually look at Yamamoto for this one; when he replaced Senna at Silverstone he drove #21, but when replacing Chandhok he's driven #20. They also use the engine allocation for the driver too, so say Sakon's engine blew up during a race for example, Chandhok would have one less engine to use even though it never blew on him.

Thanks :D

Damn! Another question:

When new teams join, which team gets the higher number?

For example, if dabest2500 joined F1 and Aston Martin joined F1. Who would get number 26/27 and 28/29?

That's just whichever order the FIA decides to give them as. There's no benefits in a debut season for one new team to have a higher ranking over another.Redders1989

Thanks for answering all my questions :lol:

And that's the end of them, for now...

This should be a sticky, or has someone already suggested this? (Damn, another question :D)

It was a sticky in the past, but I removed it to free up some space. Nonetheless, this is usually one of the threads that gets consistent posting anyways.Redders1989

Oh right, and why has the WRC part of my sig been cut in half?

why has the WRC part of my sig been cut in half?dabest2500

Huh... strange that. No clue personally - you'd be best off asking on the GameSpot Technical Support board.

[QUOTE="dabest2500"]why has the WRC part of my sig been cut in half?Redders1989

Huh... strange that. No clue personally - you'd be best off asking on the GameSpot Technical Support board.

I fixed it, seems like the sig was to tall.

So I deleted the gaps between the images.

But now it looks unneat...

I've never understood why they develop these cars with the aero packages they do so they run in clean air, surely they know that other cars will always be pretty close to them, so why not run a package that can run in both types of air, cus for example you may get some clear air after a pit stop, or you may cross a Trulli train so you have dirty air.

but then again I've not had the greatest understand of aeronautics

The problem is that it is very hard to model turbulent flow.

For example every car is going to produce a different route for the air passing over it meaning that in order to model it accurately in a wind tunnel you would need a scale model of you're opponents car, something that would be difficult to obtain.

The other issue is a package designed to run in turbulent air would probably compromise you're one for running in clean air which would cause you to struggle in qualifying and mean you would find it difficult to get close to other cars in order to use the package designed for running in their wake.

I've never understood why they develop these cars with the aero packages they do so they run in clean air, surely they know that other cars will always be pretty close to them, so why not run a package that can run in both types of air, cus for example you may get some clear air after a pit stop, or you may cross a Trulli train so you have dirty air.

but then again I've not had the greatest understand of aeronautics

kipi19

Quick question.

In 2006, what engine did the Toro Rosso have?

Quick question.

In 2006, what engine did the Toro Rosso have?dabest2500

They ran rev-limited V10 Cosworths.

[QUOTE="dabest2500"]Quick question.

In 2006, what engine did the Toro Rosso have?Redders1989

They ran rev-limited V10 Cosworths.

Though so, which leads me to another question.

Seeing as Torro Rosso is RBR's sister team, why was RBR using a Ferrari engine and Torro Rosso using a Cosworth?

Both the teams are owned by the same Austrian, surely they will have the same engine?

^ I agree with the poster above and I am in no way aroused by it.KimisApprentice

I'm not sure what to say about that. Thanks i guess.

I believe it was a rev limited cosworth v10. The reason for the v10 is that this was an aagreement that minardi had set up and still stood when they were bought out by red bull.Racky_rules

Oh right, thanks!

Actually, got another question now.

Why are Toro Rosso and RBR not using the same engine this year?

Does it have anything to do with the fact that Toro Rosso is now a seperate constructor from RBR?

In regards to the RBR/STR engine situation, the teams have never ran on the same engines. After Renault won their back-to-back titles in '05/'06, Red Bull saw the Renault engine as superior to the Ferrari engine, but their contract to use Ferrari engines still went on in to 2007 I believe. So what the team did was, because Cosworth pulled out at the end of 2006, they shifted the Ferrari contract on to STR (beens as they were still officially the RBR "B" Team so to speak) so that RBR could pick up the Renault engine.Redders1989

Thanks!

Sorry :lol: I should of been more specific :P, I meant Compare say the RB6 before the summer break and up until now, then maybe once the season is over a comparison from winter testing till Abu dhabi :P

Are engines allowed to be mended?

Say for example, RBRs engine had a spark plug failure? Would they be allowed to replace the spark plug?

The engines that are used by the teams are routinely pulled apart to check for damage etc so I'm almost 100% certain they're allowed to replace engine parts that are designed to be consumed like spark plugs.KimisApprentice

Then can't the teams cheat by using old engines and just replacing broken bits?

Check for damage not repair them. The parts that could conceivably be replaced would be very thoroughly restricted I'd imagine. That and some parts, once damaged, will require a new engine like if there were fatigue damage to the engine block, cracked pistons or damage to the crankshaft etcKimisApprentice

Hmmm...

You sound unsure...
You're usually confident.
Anyways, thanks for your efforts KA!

Well I haven't read the regs from cover to cover but I can say I'm 99.9999% sure spark plugs can be changed whereas mechanical pieces of the engine cannot.KimisApprentice

Okay, thanks KA!
But there's still that 0.0001%...

Only kidding :P

KA.

Give we have KERS and moveable Rear Wings for next year, isn't this a tad on the dangerous side for the drivers, after Mark's Accident in Valencia, IMO it brought to light how dangerous the two are combined.

KA.

Give we have KERS and moveable Rear Wings for next year, isn't this a tad on the dangerous side for the drivers, after Mark's Accident in Valencia, IMO it brought to light how dangerous the two are combined.

kipi19

And?

They had stupidly poweful and Uber laggy Turbo-charged engines combined with super-sticky qualifying tyres and feet-for-crumple-zone cars some 25 years ago. Compared to those old-school machines, todays cars equipped with an electronic motor assisted means of power boost with a Rear wing that has adjustable downforce settings, would seem a little..... Well.... Tamed if you ask me.....