kefka vs sephiroth who is the better final boss

No. Sephiroth did not.equimanthorn01

Care to elaborate ?

So, when Kefka 'indirectly' burns Figaro and poisons the people at Doma, he gets all the credit. But when Sephiroth does something, it's not him all of a sudden ? :|

Stop being a fanboy, man. :P

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]

No. Sephiroth did not.Gamer4Iife

Care to elaborate ?

So, when Kefka 'indirectly' burns Figaro and poisons the people at Doma, he gets all the credit. But when Sephiroth does something, it's not him all of a sudden ? :|

Stop being a fanboy, man. :P

agreed

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]

No. Sephiroth did not.Gamer4Iife

Care to elaborate ?

So, when Kefka 'indirectly' burns Figaro and poisons the people at Doma, he gets all the credit. But when Sephiroth does something, it's not him all of a sudden ? :|

Stop being a fanboy, man. :P

Sephiroth did nothing in the first place. He spent the entire game frozen in the northern crater. =All he =really did was summon meteor. Anyone with the black materia can do that, though ,so what is so impressive about that?equimanthorn01

Did you forget about the one part where Sephiroth uses Jenova's cells to create clones of himself and slaughters a whole bunch of people ? He messes up Shinra's HQ, tricks Cloud and company into obtaining the Black Materia for him and kills Aeris.

And while summoning Meteor may be nothing special, I'll ask you the same question: Anyone could have moved the Statues out of alignment, what's so special about what Kefka did ?

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]Sephiroth did nothing in the first place. He spent the entire game frozen in the northern crater. =All he =really did was summon meteor. Anyone with the black materia can do that, though ,so what is so impressive about that?Gamer4Iife

Did you forget about the one part where Sephiroth uses Jenova's cells to create clones of himself and slaughters a whole bunch of people ? He messes up Shinra's HQ, tricks Cloud and company into obtaining the Black Materia for him and kills Aeris.

And while summoning Meteor may be nothing special, I'll ask you the same question: Anyone could have moved the Statues out of alignment, what's so special about what Kefka did ?

Not anyone could have drawn the power of 3 goddesses into themselves.

Correction. It was Hojo that did that, not SEphiroth

Not anyone could have drawn the power of 3 goddesses into themselves.

equimanthorn01

Aww, come on. :P You know what I'm talking about. When I said his clone, I meant the one that he made out of JENOVA's cells, his doppelganger, not the mentally unstable dudes from Hojo's experiments.

Do you have any proof about the Statues ? 'Cause I think you're just making that up.

[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]

No. Sephiroth did not.equimanthorn01

Care to elaborate ?

So, when Kefka 'indirectly' burns Figaro and poisons the people at Doma, he gets all the credit. But when Sephiroth does something, it's not him all of a sudden ? :|

Stop being a fanboy, man. :P

Anyone can summon meteor? Wrong, Bugenhagen said:

"It requires an immense power to use the Black Materia and summon meteor, and another equal power to use White Materia and summon Holy" refering to Sephiroth and Aeris.

So, anyone can summon it right...?

Well, both ended up screwing around with the world through different methods, Kefka was more direct, and Sephiroth controlled things behind the scenes. 

Oooh!  Another comparison between the two...sorta...

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]

Correction. It was Hojo that did that, not SEphiroth

Not anyone could have drawn the power of 3 goddesses into themselves.

Gamer4Iife

Aww, come on. :P You know what I'm talking about. When I said his clone, I meant the one that he made out of JENOVA's cells, his doppelganger, not the mentally unstable dudes from Hojo's experiments.

Do you have any proof about the Statues ? 'Cause I think you're just making that up.

He did move the statues tkoi throw the world off balance, thus destroying it, but his primary purpose there was to get the power of the 3 goddesses contained within the statues

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]

No. Sephiroth did not.DreamersLegacy

Care to elaborate ?

So, when Kefka 'indirectly' burns Figaro and poisons the people at Doma, he gets all the credit. But when Sephiroth does something, it's not him all of a sudden ? :|

Stop being a fanboy, man. :P

Anyone can summon meteor? Wrong, Bugenhagen said:

"It requires an immense power to use the Black Materia and summon meteor, and another equal power to use White Materia and summon Holy" refering to Sephiroth and Aeris.

So, anyone can summon it right...?

[QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]

No. Sephiroth did not.equimanthorn01

Care to elaborate ?

So, when Kefka 'indirectly' burns Figaro and poisons the people at Doma, he gets all the credit. But when Sephiroth does something, it's not him all of a sudden ? :|

Stop being a fanboy, man. :P

Anyone can summon meteor? Wrong, Bugenhagen said:

"It requires an immense power to use the Black Materia and summon meteor, and another equal power to use White Materia and summon Holy" refering to Sephiroth and Aeris.

So, anyone can summon it right...?

No, the answer is, you do not know FFVII story.

In a conversation with Cloud, Sephiroth reveals that he will summon Meteor, Cloud questions him about how he had the power to do that, he then explains it, saying he traveled the Lifestream and collected the knowledge of the ancients and learned how to summon Meteor.

Check it out, its true.

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ollecting the knowledge of the ancients and being an ancient are 2 different things dude, thus my statement still standsequimanthorn01

Nevertheless, it explains why he was able to summon it ,it is youre decision to acept it or not.

Hojo still made the Sephiroth clones.

He did move the statues tkoi throw the world off balance, thus destroying it, but his primary purpose there was to get the power of the 3 goddesses contained within the statues

equimanthorn01

Yes, but not the one I was talking about.

Yes, he did. My question was, how do you know only he could have done it?

.[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]ollecting the knowledge of the ancients and being an ancient are 2 different things dude, thus my statement still standsDreamersLegacy

Nevertheless, it explains why he was able to summon it ,it is youre decision to acept it or not.

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]

Hojo still made the Sephiroth clones.

He did move the statues tkoi throw the world off balance, thus destroying it, but his primary purpose there was to get the power of the 3 goddesses contained within the statues

Gamer4Iife

Yes, but not the one I was talking about.

Yes, he did. My question was, how do you know only he could have done it?

It takes 2 things to be able to do that. Knowledge of how to do that and the power to b e able to do that. the only 2 people that could do that sort of thing were the emperor and KEfka. They were., They were killing off ESPers by draning them of their power and taking it int othemselves

[QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"]

.[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]ollecting the knowledge of the ancients and being an ancient are 2 different things dude, thus my statement still standsequimanthorn01

Nevertheless, it explains why he was able to summon it ,it is youre decision to acept it or not.

Well, understand it as you want, you have two options here, believe that the ancients are not that special, they just have the abillity to converse with the planet and understand certain things, or believe they are supreme beings and know all and do it all.

What seems more reasonable? Logically, the first option, thus, Sephiroth by travelling the Lifestream learned of such ways to use Black Materia, or are you forgetting that he actually pointed out the directions to the Temple of The Ancients? After all, he planned the whole thing.

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"]

.[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]ollecting the knowledge of the ancients and being an ancient are 2 different things dude, thus my statement still standsDreamersLegacy

Nevertheless, it explains why he was able to summon it ,it is youre decision to acept it or not.

Well, understand it as you want, you have two options here, believe that the ancients are not that special, they just have the abillity to converse with the planet and understand certain things, or believe they are supreme beings and know all and do it all.

What seems more reasonable? Logically, the first option, thus, Sephiroth by travelling the Lifestream learned of such ways to use Black Materia, or are you forgetting that he actually pointed out the directions to the Temple of The Ancients? After all, he planned the whole thing.

[QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"]

.[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]ollecting the knowledge of the ancients and being an ancient are 2 different things dude, thus my statement still standsequimanthorn01

Nevertheless, it explains why he was able to summon it ,it is youre decision to acept it or not.

Well, understand it as you want, you have two options here, believe that the ancients are not that special, they just have the abillity to converse with the planet and understand certain things, or believe they are supreme beings and know all and do it all.

What seems more reasonable? Logically, the first option, thus, Sephiroth by travelling the Lifestream learned of such ways to use Black Materia, or are you forgetting that he actually pointed out the directions to the Temple of The Ancients? After all, he planned the whole thing.

Not really, cuz all you have to do is believe Sephiroth was special too, by believing that, you ultimately have to accept Sephiroth could in fact summon meteor.

Not if meteor can only be summoned by the ancientsequimanthorn01

Okay we're entering a ridiculous circle here, let's just leave it at that.

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"]Not if meteor can only be summoned by the ancientsDreamersLegacy

Okay we're entering a ridiculous circle here, let's just leave it at that.

Yeah, nobody is going to change the other's mind here. (I would know >.>...)

Hojo made all teh clones. Sephiroth never cloned himself

equimanthorn01

Dude, I wasn't talking about the clones Hojo made. I'm talking about the "clone" that kills Aeris. You know the one, don't play dumb. :P

Hmmmm...

The should have called FFVII "FFVII: Attack of the Clones." :P

......Yeah, I'm bored and tired. :(

That was a clone that Hojo createdequimanthorn01

I am pretty sure that it was Sephiroth who created it twith the body of JENOVA. NeoGen, if you're reading this, please clarify this. :P

Anyway, that's totally irrelevant. My argument earlier was that Sephiroth was controlling it. Who created it is beside the point.

Hmmmm...

The should have called FFVII "FFVII: Attack of the Clones." :P

......Yeah, I'm bored and tired. :(

DJ-Lafleur

Haha :lol: And XII should have been "Final Fantasy XII: The Empire Strikes Back". :o

I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.Gamer4Iife

Two cool bosses-two epic battles-one hard question! um, I'm going with....SEPHIROTH (and who could forget the song: One-Winged Angel?)

[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.equimanthorn01

Exactly! :P That's the "clone" I'm talking about.

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.Gamer4Iife

Exactly! :P That's the "clone" I'm talking about.

[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.equimanthorn01

Exactly! :P That's the "clone" I'm talking about.

A clone?

Actually, what killed Aeris was a mentaly projected image by Sephiroth into one of Jenova's "pieces" , alowing a temporary appearence of something you could call "spirit", or did you guys by any chance forget that she didn't bleed at all?

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.DreamersLegacy

Exactly! :P That's the "clone" I'm talking about.

A clone?

Actually, what killed Aeris was a mentaly projected image by Sephiroth into one of Jenova's "pieces" , alowing a temporary appearence of something you could call "spirit", or did you guys by any chance forget that she didn't bleed at all?

[QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.equimanthorn01

Exactly! :P That's the "clone" I'm talking about.

A clone?

Actually, what killed Aeris was a mentaly projected image by Sephiroth into one of Jenova's "pieces" , alowing a temporary appearence of something you could call "spirit", or did you guys by any chance forget that she didn't bleed at all?

Blood has nothing to do with the argument, yes, though Sephiroth does bleed at the end of the game, so you are wrong there, equimanthorn. :P 

There was what you could call a "main" clone among the clones, and he is the one that Cloud and the others chase from the start of the game all the way to the northern crater. He had a tattoo of #1 on his arm, he released Jenova, and he killed Aeris. And yes, he was being controlled by the real Sephiroth.

There, that settles who killed Aeris:)

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.DJ-Lafleur

Exactly! :P That's the "clone" I'm talking about.

A clone?

Actually, what killed Aeris was a mentaly projected image by Sephiroth into one of Jenova's "pieces" , alowing a temporary appearence of something you could call "spirit", or did you guys by any chance forget that she didn't bleed at all?

Blood has nothing to do with the argument, yes, though Sephiroth does bleed at the end of the game, so you are wrong there, equimanthorn. :P 

There was what you could call a "main" clone among the clones, and he is the one that Cloud and the others chase from the start of the game all the way to the northern crater. He had a tattoo of #1 on his arm, he released Jenova, and he killed Aeris. And yes, he was being controlled by the real Sephiroth.

There, that settles who killed Aeris:)

batman_is_me

Here is an interesting thought. Is Jenova controlling Sephiroth? She certainl.y seems to have some form of control over all that have her cells in her because they all wind up visiting the northern crater, where she was to begin with, at sone point (save Zack, but he did die)

[QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.equimanthorn01

Exactly! :P That's the "clone" I'm talking about.

A clone?

Actually, what killed Aeris was a mentaly projected image by Sephiroth into one of Jenova's "pieces" , alowing a temporary appearence of something you could call "spirit", or did you guys by any chance forget that she didn't bleed at all?

Oh? no one bleeds? I guess you forgot when Sephiroth "dies" just at the end, after Cloud goes Omnislash on him and he is shot backwards bleeding the hell out... go check it.

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="DreamersLegacy"][QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]

[QUOTE="equimanthorn01"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]I know, I know... Except that was the real Sephiroth. Hojo never created a perfect clone, as far as I know. The ones he called 'Sephiroth's clones' were those insane Midgar residents. None of them had the look or the strength of Sephiroth.DreamersLegacy

Exactly! :P That's the "clone" I'm talking about.

A clone?

Actually, what killed Aeris was a mentaly projected image by Sephiroth into one of Jenova's "pieces" , alowing a temporary appearence of something you could call "spirit", or did you guys by any chance forget that she didn't bleed at all?

Oh? no one bleeds? I guess you forgot when Sephiroth "dies" just at the end, after Cloud goes Omnislash on him and he is shot backwards bleeding the hell out... go check it.

No one bled when they got shot dude. Aerith not bleeding had nothing to do with anythingequimanthorn01

When I said "shot" it wasn't supposed to be taken literally. And yeah, Sephiroth bleeds pretty bad in this squence (the ending actually).

Also, Aeris not bleeding was intentional, belive it.

yeah, it was done for the purpose of not making the game bloody. It softens the violenceequimanthorn01

Yeah sure.

You did note that the ESRB gave it a T rating? If it had been bloody, it would have been boosted to M dudeequimanthorn01

really?

cuz Crisis Core as a really bloody scene, and its actually rated T...