More evil than Kefka...

Many gamers love Kefka for being so evil, but Suikoden II's Luca Blight is as evil, if not more evil than him. Also, I just finished Suikoden V, Childerich is also one evil guy.

Do you know other RPG characters more evil than Kefka?

Not even death can save you from me.fs_metal

LOL correct. I also just thought of Darth Nihilus, now he could be considered more evil than Kefka even if he's in a good mood.

Ultimecia wanted to destroy the whole fricken world with no visible motivation, she just seemed to pop in and say, "I hate everything, let's destroy the world". How could you not get more evil than that?Vax45

I agree with ultimicia being a horrible villian as well

Im also going to say that kefka is a joke. U want realy villians? play vagrant story, maybe tactics, or how bout Xeno Saga. These titles contain some excellent vilians to name of few..

I dont know about most of u but the whole "HEY, lets make this guy want to kill everyone, control theworldMWAHAHAHAand make him crazy, cause you know, thats an easy ticket to a great villian right?" doesnt impress me one single bit. Great evil villians need to have motives, intelect and reason, with a backstory that allows u to understand where this guy came from and why hes the way he is... but thats just how i think.

I agree with ultimicia being a horrible villian as well

Im also going to say that kefka is a joke. U want realy villians? play vagrant story, maybe tactics, or how bout Xeno Saga. These titles contain some excellent vilians to name of few..

I dont know about most of u but the whole "HEY, lets make this guy want to kill everyone, control theworldMWAHAHAHAand make him crazy, cause you know, thats an easy ticket to a great villian right?" doesnt impress me one single bit. Great evil villians need to have motives, intelect and reason, with a backstory that allows u to understand where this guy came from and why hes the way he is... but thats just how i think.

ThreeVo

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I agree with ultimicia being a horrible villian as well

Im also going to say that kefka is a joke. U want realy villians? play vagrant story, maybe tactics, or how bout Xeno Saga. These titles contain some excellent vilians to name of few..

I dont know about most of u but the whole "HEY, lets make this guy want to kill everyone, control theworldMWAHAHAHAand make him crazy, cause you know, thats an easy ticket to a great villian right?" doesnt impress me one single bit. Great evil villians need to have motives, intelect and reason, with a backstory that allows u to understand where this guy came from and why hes the way he is... but thats just how i think.

fs_metal

The first what?

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I agree with ultimicia being a horrible villian as well

Im also going to say that kefka is a joke. U want realy villians? play vagrant story, maybe tactics, or how bout Xeno Saga. These titles contain some excellent vilians to name of few..

I dont know about most of u but the whole "HEY, lets make this guy want to kill everyone, control theworldMWAHAHAHAand make him crazy, cause you know, thats an easy ticket to a great villian right?" doesnt impress me one single bit. Great evil villians need to have motives, intelect and reason, with a backstory that allows u to understand where this guy came from and why hes the way he is... but thats just how i think.

fs_metal

The first what?

There was no villian that did what he did before him. There was no villian like him before himfs_metal

Shuyin. He tried to destroy the world because of his dead girlfriend.siberian142

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]There was no villian that did what he did before him. There was no villian like him before himThreeVo

In video games. We are not talking about literature here

sephiroth is the ultimate villainjohngebreadman

[QUOTE="johngebreadman"]sephiroth is the ultimate villainfs_metal

In your opinion.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="johngebreadman"]sephiroth is the ultimate villainTaCoDuDe

In your opinion.

"no, it is not opinion, it is fact"

I was nice and said it for FS. :roll:

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="johngebreadman"]sephiroth is the ultimate villainTaCoDuDe

In your opinion.

[QUOTE="ThreeVo"][QUOTE="fs_metal"]There was no villian that did what he did before him. There was no villian like him before himfs_metal

In video games. We are not talking about literature here

i think more evil than kefka u have sephirot, kuja

i think more evil than kefka u have sephirot, kuja

shadowg16

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[QUOTE="ThreeVo"][QUOTE="fs_metal"]There was no villian that did what he did before him. There was no villian like him before himThreeVo

In video games. We are not talking about literature here

I know.

6 did have a very likable story with alot of characters that had there own distinct peronalites, im simply saying that kefka, even though had a cruel, vile characteristic, and wanted to control the magi, ya the players learned to hate him but for what? because he poisoned Cyans kingdom? Transformed the very continent to a post apocolyptic era, these are by far VERY evil endevors and diserve hatred i know, but that doesnt change the fact that there was little chracter depth with him and his reasons... from the start he was just...... a really evil guy bent on controling the world with an ancient/otherworldy power. But im just saying with a pinch more maturity, some kekfa backround and/or history, shinning some light on maybe a rather sad past or terrible incedent that led him to his actions and ambition, Kefka would have been a A class villian. To be honest though, His character alone (not his actions in ff6) reminded me of the type of sinister enemies found in few disney movies, to some this may sound harsh but im talking about the simple "Im evil and i want to be the ruler of everything" , disregarding the child humor of the films.

Essentially my point is this, and any writter will tell u this as well - Actions dont make the character, "character" makes the character, if that means anything to anyone

Exdeath was more evil than Kefka.

Exdeath is the pure embodiment of evil, I don't think anyone can be more evil than Exdeath was.

The villian should be someone you can hate, and Kefka is very very hatable (he also has alot more personality than you give him credit for, but that is beside the fact). When people thinl Adoplf Hitler what pops into their minds? World War II. The Holocaust. The death of 6 million people, 2 million of which were Jewish. It is his acts that make him so hatable. It is his acts that made him 'a great villian.' None of us know his real personality. Everyone hates him none the lessfs_metal

Well, I wouldn't compare a video game character to someone like Hitler Our thoughts about both of them and what we care to think about both I would think would be much different.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]The villian should be someone you can hate, and Kefka is very very hatable (he also has alot more personality than you give him credit for, but that is beside the fact). When people thinl Adoplf Hitler what pops into their minds? World War II. The Holocaust. The death of 6 million people, 2 million of which were Jewish. It is his acts that make him so hatable. It is his acts that made him 'a great villian.' None of us know his real personality. Everyone hates him none the lessDJ-Lafleur

Well, I wouldn't compare a video game character to someone like Hitler Our thoughts about both of them and what we care to think about both I would think would be much different.

Exdeath was more evil than Kefka.

Exdeath is the pure embodiment of evil, I don't think anyone can be more evil than Exdeath was.

KnightsofRound

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Exdeath was more evil than Kefka.

Exdeath is the pure embodiment of evil, I don't think anyone can be more evil than Exdeath was.

fs_metal

I was talking solely in terms of Final Fantasy characters though.

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[QUOTE="fs_metal"]The villian should be someone you can hate, and Kefka is very very hatable (he also has alot more personality than you give him credit for, but that is beside the fact). When people thinl Adoplf Hitler what pops into their minds? World War II. The Holocaust. The death of 6 million people, 2 million of which were Jewish. It is his acts that make him so hatable. It is his acts that made him 'a great villian.' None of us know his real personality. Everyone hates him none the lessfs_metal

Well, I wouldn't compare a video game character to someone like Hitler Our thoughts about both of them and what we care to think about both I would think would be much different.

If some one just walks up to another and shoots them in the face with a gun for absolutly no apparent reason, of course that person will be hated and regarded as a low life vile person. But most people most likley wouldnt understand where he came from, why he did it, where his anger originated, why he tunred out to be a evil person, in society thats acceptable, its not entirely our business to understand, but for a writter who creates characters of all kinds for STORIES.... its an obligationtoprovide backround and closure in a fictional personalityto allow the reader to fully emense themselves into any given tale. Thats what i think.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]The villian should be someone you can hate, and Kefka is very very hatable (he also has alot more personality than you give him credit for, but that is beside the fact). When people thinl Adoplf Hitler what pops into their minds? World War II. The Holocaust. The death of 6 million people, 2 million of which were Jewish. It is his acts that make him so hatable. It is his acts that made him 'a great villian.' None of us know his real personality. Everyone hates him none the lessThreeVo

Well, I wouldn't compare a video game character to someone like Hitler Our thoughts about both of them and what we care to think about both I would think would be much different.

If some one just walks up to another and shoots them in the face with a gun for absolutly no apparent reason, of course that person will be hated and regarded as a low life vile person. But most people most likley wouldnt understand where he came from, why he did it, where his anger originated, why he tunred out to be a evil person, in society thats acceptable, its not entirely our business to understand, but for a writter who creates characters of all kinds for STORIES.... its an obligationtoprovide backround and closure in a fictional personalityto allow the reader to fully emense themselves into any given tale. Thats what i think.

I was saying htat people remember the actions, not the person. That is why the hatred.

Take Sephiroth as an example. Some of the most quoted reasons for liking him so damn much are things like "he has alot of physical strenght" and "he killed Aeris." All of these are not remembering Sephiroth, They are remembering things about him/ Why? Because of his actions. Why do people believe he has alot of physical strength? Well, he killed that dragon with one strike, didn't he? Do you see what I am getting at here? Kefka is detestable and rememberable because of his actions. That's why people love to hate him so much. That's what made him great

I was saying htat people remember the actions, not the person. That is why the hatred.

Take Sephiroth as an example. Some of the most quoted reasons for liking him so damn much are things like "he has alot of physical strenght" and "he killed Aeris." All of these are not remembering Sephiroth, They are remembering things about him/ Why? Because of his actions. Why do people believe he has alot of physical strength? Well, he killed that dragon with one strike, didn't he? Do you see what I am getting at here? Kefka is detestable and rememberable because of his actions. That's why people love to hate him so much. That's what made him great

fs_metal

Take Sephiroth as an example. Some of the most quoted reasons for liking him so damn much are things like "he has alot of physical strenght" and "he killed Aeris." All of these are not remembering Sephiroth, They are remembering things about him/ Why? Because of his actions. Why do people believe he has alot of physical strength? Well, he killed that dragon with one strike, didn't he? Do you see what I am getting at here? Kefka is detestable and rememberable because of his actions. That's why people love to hate him so much. That's what made him great

fs_metal

Exactly.

Another thing I like is that Kefka wasn't a superhuman like Sephiroth or Kuja, he was a sadistic, crazy human. He had to do what it took to destroy the world, which he accomplished. To put salt on a wound, he destroyed all(or most) of the hope left inside the remaining population, including the main characters.

Now, yes sephiroth killed aeris, so what? Kefka killed Leo. Did he destroy the world? No, but Kefka did. All Sephiroth really did was manipulate Cloud and made him enraged by killing aeris, which actually came back to hurt him in the end.

I'm not saying that Sephiroth is a bad villain, but I do think the only reason Sephiroth is popular is of his appearance and how promoted FFVII was outside of Japan. If FFVI got as much promotion as FFVII, then it would be as popular as FFVII is too.

Ok..... that point has already been established. Im curious if u even read any of the prior posts on this topic

7 is overrated, that is why sephiroth is so loved........... by the fanboys.

Its easy to pick on him i know, but that still doesnt change the fact that kefka had very little personality. are u seruoisly comparing villians simply by what they each accomplished? that is weak. Dispite 7s reputation, sephiroth does not diserve that kind of stabbing, wether u like him or not, at least he had a backround and reason, ill say it again....

If sephiroth succeded in casting meteor into the planet, whould that have made him a better villian? lol actions do not define a character, its personality that does. Creating a villain that is simply "insane" and has absolutley no reason or motive to go with his actions other than "im crazy and i want to rule the world" is very weak form a writing point of view. In the very least, sephrioth had very strong feelings and beliefsabout his purpose and the game took te time to show this to the player, regardless ofwhat u think about the plot..(this isnot a debate aboutff7s story line so pleasedont branch off)

Kefka is a simplisticvillian that is easy to hate, yes. But not so easy to appreciate, then again that depends on the players comprehension of quality writting. Bah here i go repeating myself again : /

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I was saying htat people remember the actions, not the person. That is why the hatred.

Take Sephiroth as an example. Some of the most quoted reasons for liking him so damn much are things like "he has alot of physical strenght" and "he killed Aeris." All of these are not remembering Sephiroth, They are remembering things about him/ Why? Because of his actions. Why do people believe he has alot of physical strength? Well, he killed that dragon with one strike, didn't he? Do you see what I am getting at here? Kefka is detestable and rememberable because of his actions. That's why people love to hate him so much. That's what made him great

ThreeVo

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]

Take Sephiroth as an example. Some of the most quoted reasons for liking him so damn much are things like "he has alot of physical strenght" and "he killed Aeris." All of these are not remembering Sephiroth, They are remembering things about him/ Why? Because of his actions. Why do people believe he has alot of physical strength? Well, he killed that dragon with one strike, didn't he? Do you see what I am getting at here? Kefka is detestable and rememberable because of his actions. That's why people love to hate him so much. That's what made him great

IpodHero176

Exactly.

Another thing I like is that Kefka wasn't a superhuman like Sephiroth or Kuja, he was a sadistic, crazy human. He had to do what it took to destroy the world, which he accomplished. To put salt on a wound, he destroyed all(or most) of the hope left inside the remaining population, including the main characters.

Now, yes sephiroth killed aeris, so what? Kefka killed Leo. Did he destroy the world? No, but Kefka did. All Sephiroth really did was manipulate Cloud and made him enraged by killing aeris, which actually came back to hurt him in the end.

I'm not saying that Sephiroth is a bad villain, but I do think the only reason Sephiroth is popular is of his appearance and how promoted FFVII was outside of Japan. If FFVI got as much promotion as FFVII, then it would be as popular as FFVII is too.

While it's true that Sephiroth didn't exactly achieve the same heights in destruction as Kefka did, he did manage to get pretty close. I mean, I can't imagine having a giant meteor hanging over Gaia for weeks on end which could crash into the planet at any moment being very relaxing.

Plus Shinra pretty much already destroyed the hopes and dreams of the common person anyways, so Sephiroth didn't really need to do that, plus the fact that he couldn't really do that since the entire game he was still crystalized in mako inside the planet.

Kefka still did accomplish more than Sephiroth did as a villain, but I think the reason why Sephiroth is more popular is because he accomplished (and tried to accomplish) his goals with sheer power. Kefka had to accomplish his goals by manipulating other people, until he actually gained power near the end. Before that he never actually had much power, and people seem to be more drawn to the bad guys that already have the power to begin with.

7 is overrated, that is why sephiroth is so loved........... by the fanboys.

Its easy to pick on him i know, but that still doesnt change the fact that kefka had very little personality. are u seruoisly comparing villians simply by what they each accomplished? that is weak. Dispite 7s reputation, sephiroth does not diserve that kind of stabbing, wether u like him or not, at least he had a backround and reason, ill say it again....

If sephiroth succeded in casting meteor into the planet, whould that have made him a better villian? lol actions do not define a character, its personality that does. Creating a villain that is simply "insane" and has absolutley no reason or motive to go with his actions other than "im crazy and i want to rule the world" is very weak form a writing point of view. In the very least, sephrioth had very strong feelings and beliefsabout his purpose and the game took te time to show this to the player, regardless ofwhat u think about the plot..(this isnot a debate aboutff7s story line so pleasedont branch off)

Kefka is a simplisticvillian that is easy to hate, yes. But not so easy to appreciate, then again that depends on the players comprehension of quality writting. Bah here i go repeating myself again : /

ThreeVo

You have a good point. The FFVII fanboys overhype Sephiroth, and insult everyone else, which in turn, causes all this conflict(like now).

While it's true that Sephiroth didn't exactly achieve the same heights in destruction as Kefka did, he did manage to get pretty close. I mean, I can't imagine having a giant meteor hanging over Gaia for weeks on end which could crash into the planet at any moment being very relaxing.

Plus Shinra pretty much already destroyed the hopes and dreams of the common person anyways, so Sephiroth didn't really need to do that, plus the fact that he couldn't really do that since the entire game he was still crystalized in mako inside the planet.

Kefka still did accomplish more than Sephiroth did as a villain, but I think the reason why Sephiroth is more popular is because he accomplished (and tried to accomplish) his goals with sheer power. Kefka had to accomplish his goals by manipulating other people, until he actually gained power near the end. Before that he never actually had much power, and people seem to be more drawn to the bad guys that already have the power to begin with.

KnightsofRound