What do you think Gamecube's price should be rather than what it is now since is very un-used and not that fun of a system.
I think $64.99 or $100 with 2 games.
What do you think Gamecube's price should be rather than what it is now since is very un-used and not that fun of a system.
WiiLoveMatt
Umm... the GC may be becoming unused due to all the Wiis around (the hardware, not the games), but GC games are still a hell of a lot of fun... you probably shouldn't make statements like that around here.
Yeah bud, GameCube is still awesome, and if you don't think so, you must not be much of a Wii fan, since that system is pretty much the same thing, only Duck Hunt-ified. And without gnarly games like F-Zero and Metal Gear Solid to call it's own.RoyalsBlue13
LOL. I'm sure GC is 'not that fun of a system' compared to the fantastic wii's VC selection!
No, it shouldn't be $100 but Nintendo doesn't care about GC sales. They don't want people to buy GC, they want people to buy Wii. If anything, the price is so high so it'll make people just go straight for the Wii.Rocky32189
wrong, they would never manufacture GC if they didn't want people buying them. GO back and troll on the Wii forum.
wrong, they would never manufacture GC if they didn't want people buying them. GO back and troll on the Wii forum.
Casiotech
Nintendo is problably selling GCs at a slight loss, and definitely isn't selling them for as much of a profit as they're getting for the Wii... thus they'd probably want consumers to buy Wiis instead.
wrong, they would never manufacture GC if they didn't want people buying them.
They'd rather people buy the Wii. They could care less if the GC sells well, because right now it is selling horribly and they've said that they don't want to cut the price. It's the same situation with the DS and GBA.
GO back and troll on the Wii forum.
I thought that was your job.
wrong, they would never manufacture GC if they didn't want people buying them.
They'd rather people buy the Wii. They could care less if the GC sells well, because right now it is selling horribly and they've said that they don't want to cut the price. It's the same situation with the DS and GBA.
GO back and troll on the Wii forum.
I thought that was your job.
Rocky32189
OH NOYOU DIDN'T!!!! ;)
[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]wrong, they would never manufacture GC if they didn't want people buying them.
They'd rather people buy the Wii. They could care less if the GC sells well, because right now it is selling horribly and they've said that they don't want to cut the price. It's the same situation with the DS and GBA.
GO back and troll on the Wii forum.
I thought that was your job.
Minishdriveby
OH NOYOU DIDN'T!!!! ;)
LOL.
And nintendo isn't selling anything at a loss, especially not the GC. It's been $99.99 for 3 years now. Maybe three years ago but these things cost them pennies on the dollar to make these days.
LOL.
And nintendo isn't selling anything at a loss, especially not the GC. It's been $99.99 for 3 years now. Maybe three years ago but these things cost them pennies on the dollar to make these days.
Casiotech
Well probably not a loss, but I know they're making $100 on each Wii... and the Wii is an overclocked GC internally, so the GC can't be that much cheaper to make...
[QUOTE="Casiotech"]LOL.
And nintendo isn't selling anything at a loss, especially not the GC. It's been $99.99 for 3 years now. Maybe three years ago but these things cost them pennies on the dollar to make these days.
Funkyhamster
Well probably not a loss, but I know they're making $100 on each Wii... and the Wii is an overclocked GC internally, so the GC can't be that much cheaper to make...
I thought it was a $50 markup??
The GC owns, I love this system. It has so many hardcore games with quality as opposed to the Wii's plethora of minigames, werid cartoon games, and it is too casual friendly.
For one I am sick of people coming in here telling everyone to buy a Wii. Not everyone wants to play Wii games, so why beg them to pay $250 when they can get a much cheapet GC if they only want to play GC games period?
Point is, the GC should have sold better since its a great system with amazing graphics for its time.
By the way I got Ghost Recon 2 in it. A 3rd person tactical shooter. Its pretty good.
The GC owns, I love this system. It has so many hardcore games with quality as opposed to the Wii's plethora of minigames, werid cartoon games, and it is too casual friendly.
For one I am sick of people coming in here telling everyone to buy a Wii. Not everyone wants to play Wii games, so why beg them to pay $250 when they can get a much cheapet GC if they only want to play GC games period?
Point is, the GC should have sold better since its a great system with amazing graphics for its time.
By the way I got Ghost Recon 2 in it. A 3rd person tactical shooter. Its pretty good.
Ninten007
FOr sure, all you have are idiots here who own Wii's and PS2 and when someone says what GC game should I buy, all they say is, 'forget that, get a Wii.' If they wanted a Wii, they would post in the Wii forum, not the GC forum.
But wii owners have more fun browsing the GC games forum than the Wii forum. Sad but true. I'm getting anxious I still have 3 wii's left that nobody is buying. I think the wii craze is dieing down and instead of Nintendo agreeing, they claim that they just 'don't have enough for everyone' when in fact, they don't 'make enough' to sound like they are selling out like hotcakes when they aren't selling as well as everyone would think, they just aren't being made. I am afraid that if the holidays pass, i'll probably be stuck with them or have to sell them at cost :/
The GC does own. It had plenty of Mature/Teen rated games and not just a bunch of crappy kiddie games like the Wii. And I thought that the GC was considered kiddie, compared to the Wii, it's almost as mature as well, an old xbox.
I just finished Hitman 2. I love that game. I could replay it forever.
[QUOTE="Quiksilver0519"]Sometimes I feel the GCN is underrated. It may not have online, but it has a gr8 library of games! I love it! Still!Casiotech
definately. Almost as underrated as xbox1.
That's funny because just recently in the Xbox (original) forums I say a bunch of comments saying the Xbox is no longer a hardcore system or something like that, and I was just like wtf...
[QUOTE="Ninten007"]The GC owns, I love this system. It has so many hardcore games with quality as opposed to the Wii's plethora of minigames, werid cartoon games, and it is too casual friendly.
For one I am sick of people coming in here telling everyone to buy a Wii. Not everyone wants to play Wii games, so why beg them to pay $250 when they can get a much cheapet GC if they only want to play GC games period?
Point is, the GC should have sold better since its a great system with amazing graphics for its time.
By the way I got Ghost Recon 2 in it. A 3rd person tactical shooter. Its pretty good.
Casiotech
FOr sure, all you have are idiots here who own Wii's and PS2 and when someone says what GC game should I buy, all they say is, 'forget that, get a Wii.' If they wanted a Wii, they would post in the Wii forum, not the GC forum.
But wii owners have more fun browsing the GC games forum than the Wii forum. Sad but true. I'm getting anxious I still have 3 wii's left that nobody is buying. I think the wii craze is dieing down and instead of Nintendo agreeing, they claim that they just 'don't have enough for everyone' when in fact, they don't 'make enough' to sound like they are selling out like hotcakes when they aren't selling as well as everyone would think, they just aren't being made. I am afraid that if the holidays pass, i'll probably be stuck with them or have to sell them at cost :/
The GC does own. It had plenty of Mature/Teen rated games and not just a bunch of crappy kiddie games like the Wii. And I thought that the GC was considered kiddie, compared to the Wii, it's almost as mature as well, an old xbox.
I just finished Hitman 2. I love that game. I could replay it forever.
Lets hope the wii fad will die then they can actually make more mature/teen rated games. The reason its so popular right now is because of all the little kids buying it. When the little kids dont want it hardcore gamers will still be left and they're will be better games.
[QUOTE="Casiotech"][QUOTE="Ninten007"]The GC owns, I love this system. It has so many hardcore games with quality as opposed to the Wii's plethora of minigames, werid cartoon games, and it is too casual friendly.
For one I am sick of people coming in here telling everyone to buy a Wii. Not everyone wants to play Wii games, so why beg them to pay $250 when they can get a much cheapet GC if they only want to play GC games period?
Point is, the GC should have sold better since its a great system with amazing graphics for its time.
By the way I got Ghost Recon 2 in it. A 3rd person tactical shooter. Its pretty good.
Minishdriveby
FOr sure, all you have are idiots here who own Wii's and PS2 and when someone says what GC game should I buy, all they say is, 'forget that, get a Wii.' If they wanted a Wii, they would post in the Wii forum, not the GC forum.
But wii owners have more fun browsing the GC games forum than the Wii forum. Sad but true. I'm getting anxious I still have 3 wii's left that nobody is buying. I think the wii craze is dieing down and instead of Nintendo agreeing, they claim that they just 'don't have enough for everyone' when in fact, they don't 'make enough' to sound like they are selling out like hotcakes when they aren't selling as well as everyone would think, they just aren't being made. I am afraid that if the holidays pass, i'll probably be stuck with them or have to sell them at cost :/
The GC does own. It had plenty of Mature/Teen rated games and not just a bunch of crappy kiddie games like the Wii. And I thought that the GC was considered kiddie, compared to the Wii, it's almost as mature as well, an old xbox.
I just finished Hitman 2. I love that game. I could replay it forever.
Lets hope the wii fad will die then they can actually make more mature/teen rated games. The reason its so popular right now is because of all the little kids buying it. When the little kids dont want it hardcore gamers will still be left and they're will be better games.
Would be nice but I think that the dev's would probably stick to making hardcore stuff for 360 and keep the kiddie stuff to Nintendo. I think Nintendo changed their marketing with the invention of the Wii and DS. They turned from Gaming, into 'grandma and grandson' entertainment. They did let down the nintendo fans and when they say 'we haven't forgotten our hardcore audience! That's why we have *game1,2,3 on the horizon for the next year.' They HAVE, and releasing a whopping two or three 'hardcore' games a year doesnt' count as 'remembering their fans.' The market for KIDS is great, because there are so many kids out there, it's like why movies like Shrek make so much money. It's not just the kids watching them but their parents too, so instead of selling 1 ticket they sell 3 (parents AND child). Same goes with gaming and nintendo seems to be the only one who gears towards that audience.
But if I wanted to see something kiddie or have a funny story or cute animation, I would turn on some anime or cartoon network, not my gaming system.
Nintendo really let me down with the Wii, the GC in a sense was more hardcore. Why cant I get games like Rogue Squadron, Chaos Theory, Jedi Knight Outcast,Gun, Hitman 2, Freedom Fighters, Everything or NothingGhost Recon2, etcon Wii with better graphics and physics? Thats why I decided not to buy one. Let me rephrase, I prefer games with depth and many Wii games dont have depth.
I do like Nintendo's first party titles, but I need more than that.
[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"][QUOTE="Casiotech"][QUOTE="Ninten007"]The GC owns, I love this system. It has so many hardcore games with quality as opposed to the Wii's plethora of minigames, werid cartoon games, and it is too casual friendly.
For one I am sick of people coming in here telling everyone to buy a Wii. Not everyone wants to play Wii games, so why beg them to pay $250 when they can get a much cheapet GC if they only want to play GC games period?
Point is, the GC should have sold better since its a great system with amazing graphics for its time.
By the way I got Ghost Recon 2 in it. A 3rd person tactical shooter. Its pretty good.
Casiotech
FOr sure, all you have are idiots here who own Wii's and PS2 and when someone says what GC game should I buy, all they say is, 'forget that, get a Wii.' If they wanted a Wii, they would post in the Wii forum, not the GC forum.
But wii owners have more fun browsing the GC games forum than the Wii forum. Sad but true. I'm getting anxious I still have 3 wii's left that nobody is buying. I think the wii craze is dieing down and instead of Nintendo agreeing, they claim that they just 'don't have enough for everyone' when in fact, they don't 'make enough' to sound like they are selling out like hotcakes when they aren't selling as well as everyone would think, they just aren't being made. I am afraid that if the holidays pass, i'll probably be stuck with them or have to sell them at cost :/
The GC does own. It had plenty of Mature/Teen rated games and not just a bunch of crappy kiddie games like the Wii. And I thought that the GC was considered kiddie, compared to the Wii, it's almost as mature as well, an old xbox.
I just finished Hitman 2. I love that game. I could replay it forever.
Lets hope the wii fad will die then they can actually make more mature/teen rated games. The reason its so popular right now is because of all the little kids buying it. When the little kids dont want it hardcore gamers will still be left and they're will be better games.
Would be nice but I think that the dev's would probably stick to making hardcore stuff for 360 and keep the kiddie stuff to Nintendo. I think Nintendo changed their marketing with the invention of the Wii and DS. They turned from Gaming, into 'grandma and grandson' entertainment. They did let down the nintendo fans and when they say 'we haven't forgotten our hardcore audience! That's why we have *game1,2,3 on the horizon for the next year.' They HAVE, and releasing a whopping two or three 'hardcore' games a year doesnt' count as 'remembering their fans.' The market for KIDS is great, because there are so many kids out there, it's like why movies like Shrek make so much money. It's not just the kids watching them but their parents too, so instead of selling 1 ticket they sell 3 (parents AND child). Same goes with gaming and nintendo seems to be the only one who gears towards that audience.
But if I wanted to see something kiddie or have a funny story or cute animation, I would turn on some anime or cartoon network, not my gaming system.
well sure devs, will stick mainly to the 360 the mature and teen games, I meant to say after the fad is over the devs, won't be making party games/mini games as much. Sure they will ocassionally but now they can actually focus on the games them selves, and how they could work with the wii remote. I mean you have Zack and Wiki already, that was a pretty good game using the wii to its potential. You have some others coming out too. So hopefully in the future there will be more.
I think the wii craze is dieing down and instead of Nintendo agreeing, they claim that they just 'don't have enough for everyone' when in fact, they don't 'make enough' to sound like they are selling out like hotcakes when they aren't selling as well as everyone would think, they just aren't being made.
The Wii outsold the 360 and PS3 practically every week since it was released. It took Halo 3, the biggest release they'll have for the entire generation, for them to barely outsell the Wii. And that only lasted a few weeks since the Wii is back on top. And it is still outselling PS3 3-1 in the US, 2-1 in Japan, and even more in Europe and Australia.
Tell me how Nintendo is lying when they say its selling great. They are making over a million a month and still barely satisfying demand. Why would they want to make less then is demanded? They are trying to make as much money as possible.
The truth of the situation is, when Wii released, Nintendo wasn't prepared for such a high demand. For all they knew it could have sold poorly like GC. They are just now catching up to demand but I doubt they'll be able to fill it when the holidays roll around.
This is in contrast to the PS3 where Sony expected huge demands but didn't get much demand. The PS3 was widely available a week after release. If you remember the PS2 launch, you'd know why Sony was prepared.
Nintendo was not prepared because they never experienced such a high demand in their history.
I think the wii craze is dieing down and instead of Nintendo agreeing, they claim that they just 'don't have enough for everyone' when in fact, they don't 'make enough' to sound like they are selling out like hotcakes when they aren't selling as well as everyone would think, they just aren't being made.
The Wii outsold the 360 and PS3 practically every week since it was released. It took Halo 3, the biggest release they'll have for the entire generation, for them to barely outsell the Wii. And that only lasted a few weeks since the Wii is back on top. And it is still outselling PS3 3-1 in the US, 2-1 in Japan, and even more in Europe and Australia.
Tell me how Nintendo is lying when they say its selling great. They are making over a million a month and still barely satisfying demand. Why would they want to make less then is demanded? They are trying to make as much money as possible.
The truth of the situation is, when Wii released, Nintendo wasn't prepared for such a high demand. For all they knew it could have sold poorly like GC. They are just now catching up to demand but I doubt they'll be able to fill it when the holidays roll around.
This is in contrast to the PS3 where Sony expected huge demands but didn't get much demand. The PS3 was widely available a week after release. If you remember the PS2 launch, you'd know why Sony was prepared.
Nintendo was not prepared because they never experienced such a high demand in their history.
Rocky32189
Thanks for the stats.. AGAIN, for the 100th time. You know sliced bread sells 300 billion loaves a year, does that make it better than a Wii?
A consoles sales doesn't mean anything in terms of quality games so I dont know why you keep saying it outsells the 360 and the PS3. This holiday season the PS3's new price is priced to sell and I think that we will see more people focusing on the PS3 this year, especially the ones that bought a Wii last year since they are probably looking for a new console this year.
Also, I could agree that the PS3 has bad games but most developers also admitted that they ported over most PS3 games straight from the 360 because they don't know how to program properly for the Cell CPU and it saved them time and money for a simple port. I haven't played my PS3 since Rainbow Six Vegas.
Ninten007 we are the smart ones by staying a generation behind with games. We filter all the bad games and could go straight to the good ones without waiting painfully for good new games to come out once or twice a season and these games are 5-10x cheaper than new ones. Just hop on GS or IGN, find something that's highly rated that would interest you, hop on Amazon or GStop and find what you want in hours, not months.
And yes I remember the PS2 launch and how idiots were selling them for $800 on ebay. I was the guy who had the $50 Dreamcast and laughed at them.
I believe sales are overrated.
You cant play sales and the companies get your money while you get a game that lasts you a few hours? Come on.
A true system is defined by the quality of its games.
Many people now regret not getting a Dreamcast because it was quality and thought too much of the sales at that time. Can't blame them since Sega was not doing well business-wise.
How does the Wii's high sales benefit the gamer? What do they get? Oh causalized and minigames! Wow you actually bought into the hype only because it sells.
The Cube may have sold less, but hey 22 million is nothing to laugh at, but the Cube is defined by its games and it was the winner of 3 of the 4 GOTY awards last gen. Not to mention it had up to par 3rd party support, people especially Nintendo fanboys were busy playing Nintendo made games and not trying to broaden their view and open there eyes and see all the quality games 3rd parties made.
The same thing is with the Wii, it sells because people want the Nintendo fervor but the 3rd parties are not selling so they tend not put effort in their games,
I truly believe the Wii's entire lineup of games for the future will be lackluster and people will look back to the Cube era and say, Man I wish I had devoted more to supporting this machine with quality games.
Now so what happens when Nintendo abandons the Wii and releases its next-gen console? Everything has to fade away at some point. I dont care if the majority are playing Wii Sports, I am here with some real games like Rebel Strike, Everything or Nothing, SSX 3, etc.
Thanks for the stats.. AGAIN, for the 100th time.
I was only responding to your post. You were the one that was trying to say that the Wii's success is an illusion and it really isn't doing as good as Nintendo says. The reality is that the Wii has sold more units than the PS2 did after the same amount of time on the market. And if you've forgotten, the PS2 is the most successful system of all time. And you also said the "Wii craze" is dying down yet it outsells everything week after week.
A consoles sales doesn't mean anything in terms of quality games so I dont know why you keep saying it outsells the 360 and the PS3.
When systems sell more units, they get more attention from third party developers and get more games and better games.
You cant play sales and the companies get your money while you get a game that lasts you a few hours? Come on.
No one said you have to buy crap. There's plenty of great games to go around on the Wii and more than I have time to play. For instance, I bought Guitar Hero III last week and have been playing every chance I get. The online adds lots of replayability as well. Super Mario Galaxy is coming next week and I still haven't picked the critically acclaimed Zack & Wiki. Also, there's tons of quality third party titles coming in the next few weeks. The day of the minigame collection is gone.
Many people now regret not getting a Dreamcast because it was quality and thought too much of the sales at that time. Can't blame them since Sega was not doing well business-wise.
Who regretted not buying a Dreamcast? It had some goodgames but launched too early and couldn't compete. The PS2 wiped the floor with it. Its games were on DVD's and the hardware was much more powerful. Then when Xbox and GC entered the mix, the Dreamcast couldn't compete in games, hardware, or anything really. It was doomed from the start.
The Cube may have sold less, but hey 22 million is nothing to laugh at
It's nothing to laugh at but when you compare it to 120 million PS2's sold or 13 million Wii's in only 11 months, its not a huge number.
and it was the winner of 3 of the 4 GOTY awards last gen.
That is different for every magazine/website but what three games are you referring to? I think Metroid Prime is the only one that you call a true winner since it took almost every GOTY from all websites/magazines.
I truly believe the Wii's entire lineup of games for the future will be lackluster and people will look back to the Cube era and say, Man I wish I had devoted more to supporting this machine with quality games.
Have you seen games like Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl, etc? They are all far surpassing their GC counterparts in quality. The Wii is getting better 3rd party support than the Cube did and will get many unique games unlike all the low quality PS2 and Xbox ports the GC got. Almost every third party Cube title could be played on the other consoles.
Now so what happens when Nintendo abandons the Wii and releases its next-gen console?
Providing it's a quality machine with promise, I will buy it.
Everything has to fade away at some point. I dont care if the majority are playing Wii Sports, I am here with some real games like Rebel Strike, Everything or Nothing, SSX 3, etc.
There's plenty of hardcore games on Wii, whether you want to see it or not.
When systems sell more units, they get more attention from third party developers and get more games and better games.
'Better?' With the Wii's inferior, obsolete technology? I doubt there will be any 'better' games on the wii that already weren't made for the GC or 10x on other next gen systems. The Wii is just an old xbox, with slightly more ram. The IBM processor is even weaker than that of Intel Pentium 3 which powered the xbox.
Super Mario Galaxy is coming next week and I still haven't picked the critically acclaimed Zack & Wiki.
You talk like these games are intended for mature audiences. You are 27 but I swear you live in a 10 year olds mindset.
Who regretted not buying a Dreamcast? It had some goodgames but launched too early and couldn't compete. The PS2 wiped the floor with it. Its games were on DVD's and the hardware was much more powerful. Then when Xbox and GC entered the mix, the Dreamcast couldn't compete in games, hardware, or anything really. It was doomed from the start.
Everyone regretted not buying the DC. The DC had some of the best franchises ever made. It was the first online system and most of their games eventually went on to be on the PS2, etc. The PS2 outsold it because as I always said, the PS2's main selling point was the fact that it was a very cheap affordable DVD player, made for and by the Japanese, the cheapest they could find by far, when DVD was just taking off in Japan in 2000-2001. If the PS2 didn't have DVD playback, I would imagine that the number sold wouldn't even be half of 120 million. Today the DVD play back doesn't matter since most homes already own numerous DVD players.
Have you seen games like Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl, etc? They are all far surpassing their GC counterparts in quality. The Wii is getting better 3rd party support than the Cube did and will get many unique games unlike all the low quality PS2 and Xbox ports the GC got. Almost every third party Cube title could be played on the other consoles.
Yes I have seen them, and of course the Wii has stronger HW than a GC. Have you seen the low quality Splinter Cell, CoD, Spiderman3, etc ports that the Wii got? It's even worse than the low quality xbox, GC, ports. If you plan to get a wii for 3rd party support, forget about it, Nintendo is all about Nintendo's games and not anybody elses. I couldn't imagine anyone else playing a Wii version of any of the above mentioned games when they could play them with better graphics, less bugs, stronger AI, physics, faster loading, etc.
There's plenty of hardcore games on Wii, whether you want to see it or not.
Other than MP3? SHOW ME WHERE!??!
It's nothing to laugh at but when you compare it to 120 million PS2's sold or 13 million Wii's in only 11 months, its not a huge number.
13 million in the first year? You do realize that sales drastically will slow down once everyone that wants one, bought one. The sales will slow exponentially.
13 million first year
6 million second year
3 million third year, etc...
You said EVERYONE regrets buying a dreamcast but that almost all of its great games went to other consoles, what does that mean, people regret not paying money for a system whose games are available elsewhere, lol.
Truth is, Wii won't slow down in sales, many people who have bought DS's will now also want Wii's and the Wii is about to have SSBB, mario galaxy, mario kart, wii fitness, those will be system sellers for ALOT of people.
Idk you care to try to prove that gamecube is superior to Wii, its obviously not, the Wii plays gamecube games, but then of course it also does all of the Wii specific things, the Wii makes the gamecube obsolete whether you care to believe it or not.
7CloudStrife7
If the Wii couldn't play GC games, there would be nothing to use it for the whole first year whatsoever.
The DC had hundreds of games that were never made on other systems as well, i'm just noting that many went on to the PS2 and the ones like Sonic Adventures 2 didn't get ported until YEARS later so DC owners had first dibs on it.
The Wii is an overclocked GC so it's going to be stronger of course but for the money and entertainment value, the GC wins. And saying that you bought a Wii to play GC games is well, stupid.
'Better?' With the Wii's inferior, obsolete technology? I doubt there will be any 'better' games on the wii that already weren't made for the GC or 10x on other next gen systems. The Wii is just an old xbox, with slightly more ram. The IBM processor is even weaker than that of Intel Pentium 3 which powered the xbox.
Graphics and gameplay are two different things. The whole point of the Wii is that its different. The Wii can do things that no other console can. The 360 and PS3 are just Xbox's and PS2's with much stronger hardware.
You talk like these games are intended for mature audiences. You are 27 but I swear you live in a 10 year olds mindset.
Just because a game has sex and violence doesn't make it good. There are excellent games that are rated E, you know...
Everyone regretted not buying the DC.
I didn't. It only lasted two years before Sega bailed on it and left all their fans with an obsolete console.Many of the systems best games were ported to other consoles.
Have you seen the low quality Splinter Cell, CoD, Spiderman3, etc ports that the Wii got?
Yes, and that's why I don't buy those games. They are crap. Everysystem has its share of bad games.
If you plan to get a wii for 3rd party support, forget about it, Nintendo is all about Nintendo's games and not anybody elses.
Nintendo could care less about securing 3rd party support, yes, we saw that with the GC. But 3rd parties are actually giving the Wii a chance on their own given the high sales.
Other than MP3? SHOW ME WHERE!??!
Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl, Zack & Wiki, No More Heroes, Mario Kart, Battalion Wars, Manhunt 2, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, RE: Umbrella Chronicles, Soul Calibur Legends, Twilight Princess, RE4 Remake, etc. The list goes on.
13 million in the first year? You do realize that sales drastically will slow down once everyone that wants one, bought one. The sales will slow exponentially.
Says who? Just look at the DS. It had the same strong start as the Wii and continues to sell the same amount week after week. Many of the same people are buying both consoles. The DS is closing in on 60 million sold in 3 years. Right now the Wii has sold more units than the DS did in 11 months. All signs point to the strong sales continuing.
'Better?' With the Wii's inferior, obsolete technology? I doubt there will be any 'better' games on the wii that already weren't made for the GC or 10x on other next gen systems. The Wii is just an old xbox, with slightly more ram. The IBM processor is even weaker than that of Intel Pentium 3 which powered the xbox.
Graphics and gameplay are two different things. The whole point of the Wii is that its different. The Wii can do things that no other console can. The 360 and PS3 are just Xbox's and PS2's with much stronger hardware.
You talk like these games are intended for mature audiences. You are 27 but I swear you live in a 10 year olds mindset.
Just because a game has sex and violence doesn't make it good. There are excellent games that are rated E, you know...
Everyone regretted not buying the DC.
I didn't. It only lasted two years before Sega bailed on it and left all their fans with an obsolete console.Many of the systems best games were ported to other consoles.
Have you seen the low quality Splinter Cell, CoD, Spiderman3, etc ports that the Wii got?
Yes, and that's why I don't buy those games. They are crap. Everysystem has its share of bad games.
If you plan to get a wii for 3rd party support, forget about it, Nintendo is all about Nintendo's games and not anybody elses.
Nintendo could care less about securing 3rd party support, yes, we saw that with the GC. But 3rd parties are actually giving the Wii a chance on their own given the high sales.
Other than MP3? SHOW ME WHERE!??!
Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl, Zack & Wiki, No More Heroes, Mario Kart, Battalion Wars, Manhunt 2, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, RE: Umbrella Chronicles, Soul Calibur Legends, Twilight Princess, RE4 Remake, etc. The list goes on.
13 million in the first year? You do realize that sales drastically will slow down once everyone that wants one, bought one. The sales will slow exponentially.
Says who? Just look at the DS. It had the same strong start as the Wii and continues to sell the same amount week after week. Many of the same people are buying both consoles. The DS is closing in on 60 million sold in 3 years. Right now the Wii has sold more units than the DS did in 11 months. All signs point to the strong sales continuing.
Rocky32189
Most of the games you listed aren't hardcore.
SMG isn't a hardcore game,
SSBB is just an upgraded Melee,
Zack and Wiki is not hardcore either,
Mario Kart (bore),
Bwii is not hardcore and neither is BWars (both which are good games but not hardcore)
Manhunt 2 had potential until they butchered all the good stuff.
MOH is better found on other consoles,
RE I don't have much excitement for linear rail shooters.
Soul Calibur I will wait and see,
TP is a GC game as well so it's not to be counted towards the Wii and neither is RE4. Because adding wiimote addition doesn't justify the added $20 to most.
The wii hasn't even been out for a year yet LOL, and it already has
Metroid Prime 3
Super Paper Mario
Zack and Wiki
and even before its one year anniversary it will also have
Fire Emblem and
Mario Galaxy.
LOL and you say for its first whole year it has nothing to play but GC games LOL, and it hasn't even been out a year lol.
7CloudStrife7
The wii hasn't even been out for a year yet LOL, and it already has
Metroid Prime 3
Super Paper Mario
Zack and Wiki
and even before its one year anniversary it will also have
Fire Emblem and
Mario Galaxy.
LOL and you say for its first whole year it has nothing to play but GC games LOL, and it hasn't even been out a year lol.
7CloudStrife7
oh i'm sorry 'LOL', 11 months is nearly a year. What did you post for that WHOLE YEAR? 5 games? LOL INDEED.
atleast Rocky has some arguement. You just make the Wii look bad.
Out of curiosity Casiotech, what exactly do you consider hardcore? Going by what you consider hardcore, the Gamecube isn't hardcore either. Afterall, they have the same types of games.
Also, violence does not equal hardcore.
why don't you post me games that are NEW and not just the same franchises that are remade for the Wii with upgraded GC graphics and a new controller. Why do you think Fire Emblem for the Wii is going to get a lower score than the GC? Because there is nothing innovative about it. I don't think SSBB will get a higher score than Melee.
Guitar Hero III, Batallion Wars, Mario/Sonic Olympic Games, Resident Evil 4, Zelda TP, WarioWare, Super Monkey Ball, Wii Sports, MLB Power Pros, Sin and Punishment, Rayman, Truma Center, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mario Strikers, Guilty Gear, Brain Age, Mario Party 8, Excite Truck, RE UC,Rayman RR 2, and the wii Zapper with Zelda crossbow training.
From that, GH3, olympic games, truma center, excite truck and Brain age are the only 'new' games (and not very good games) everything else has been done on the GC.
My idea of hardcore would be games like Two Thrones, Hitman, Chaos Theory, RE4, Spartan Total Warrior, Eternal Darkness, freedom fighters, Gladius, Second Sight, etc.
Don't get me wrong, new titles from the same franchises could be a good thing when the games offer new innovative things and a big jump in quality like the 64 to the GC. There is no such jump in quality from the GC to the Wii like there is from the GC to the other next gen systems.
The wii isn't like a next gen console at all, it's more of an extention to the GC. What the GC should have been 5 years ago to be considered impressive and kill the market.
You can look at it two ways. Either you can make fun of the last gen GC which is 5 years old because the Wii is stronger... lame. Or you could bow down to the real next gen systems which are keeping up with technology and hardcore gamers.
I'll even throw in option C: You could be having a better experience than you were having for the past 6 years but worse than that of peoples experience today playing hardcore games on 360/PS3 with their state of the art technology, advanced AI, Bigger Environments, details, physics, lighting, realism, production value, online play, etc...
why don't you post me games that are NEW and not just the same franchises that are remade for the Wii with upgraded GC graphics and a new controller.
All the consoles are mostly just sequels. If anything, the Wii is the most NEW out of all them considering the innovative controls.
My idea of hardcore would be games like Two Thrones, Hitman, Chaos Theory, RE4, Spartan Total Warrior, Eternal Darkness, freedom fighters, Gladius, Second Sight, etc.
Games don't need violence to be "hardcore". And the GC is no more hardcore than the Wii considering it has the same types of games. You said so yourself.
Don't get me wrong, new titles from the same franchises could be a good thing when the games offer new innovative things and a big jump in quality like the 64 to the GC.
The games do offer new and innovative things with new control methods. The only thing the other consoles offer is updated graphics. They don't offer innovation at all.
PS3 offers sixaxis and with stronger hardware, comes better graphics, advanced AI, Bigger Environments, details, physics, lighting, realism, production value, online play, etc..
you make it sound like they strictly improved just the graphics and not anything else when it's a complete package.
PS3 offers sixaxis and with stronger hardware, comes better graphics, advanced AI, Bigger Environments, details, physics, lighting, realism, production value, online play, etc..
you make it sound like they strictly improved just the graphics and not anything else when it's a complete package.
Casiotech
For what it's worth, all of the above highlighted terms have to do solely with graphics.
By the term hardcore games, I mean games that have depth and can be played with a certain level of skill.
The Wii is lacking in games with depth because all you do is waggle and you win, not hard and no thought process is required and thats why9 year olds can beat Wii games, but yet are challenged by by games with depth.
A kiddy game such as Banjo, Pikmin, TWW, etc all have depth and are not full of casualized minigames and actually take a though process to beat.
The Wii is not getting these kind of games, just look at the latest Midway racer for the Wii called Crusin and look how terrible it is. Why because its all about the gameplay that Nintendo is touting and how graphics dont matter but gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Would RE4 be as good with 64 graphics? No, if you say regardless ask capcom to make RE4 for the 64 and see how bad the quality will be.
Last thing, the Wii is not getting top tier games such as Kane and Lynch, GRAW, Rainbow 6:Las Vegas,Assassian's Creed, Splinter Cell Conviction, Fallout, Gears of War, MGS IV, RE 5, Lost Planet, and it is getting weak multiplats.
For instance when the next 007 game comes out next November would you take the one with graphics barely better than the Cube's Everything or Nothing or take the true version that runs in HD, hasbetter graphics, physics, sounds, car chases, etc? Or say the best version of Star Wars Unleashed, not the Wii one with waggle controls and being a port of the PS2 game or even the DS one.
This is why I am not buying a Wii, I am using that $250 to fund myself a real next-gen console. And this is why I feel the GC was better. Not because of the sales but because of the quality games found on it.
If you want to talk sales, then I could say SOFTWARE sales for the 360 have a much higher attach rate than the Wii, which shows that people only buy it for Wii Sports and a few handful of causalized games.
In short I would say the 360 takes gaming that I got on my Gamecube to the next level. The Wii does not do that.
By the term hardcore games, I mean games that have depth and can be played with a certain level of skill.
The Wii is lacking in games with depth because all you do is waggle and you win, not hard and no thought process is required and thats why9 year olds can beat Wii games, but yet are challenged by by games with depth.
A kiddy game such as Banjo, Pikmin, TWW, etc all have depth and are not full of casualized minigames and actually take a though process to beat.
The Wii is not getting these kind of games, just look at the latest Midway racer for the Wii called Crusin and look how terrible it is. Why because its all about the gameplay that Nintendo is touting and how graphics dont matter but gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Would RE4 be as good with 64 graphics? No, if you say regardless ask capcom to make RE4 for the 64 and see how bad the quality will be.
Last thing, the Wii is not getting top tier games such as Kane and Lynch, GRAW, Rainbow 6:Las Vegas,Assassian's Creed, Splinter Cell Conviction, Fallout, Gears of War, MGS IV, RE 5, Lost Planet, and it is getting weak multiplats.
For instance when the next 007 game comes out next November would you take the one with graphics barely better than the Cube's Everything or Nothing or take the true version that runs in HD, hasbetter graphics, physics, sounds, car chases, etc? Or say the best version of Star Wars Unleashed, not the Wii one with waggle controls and being a port of the PS2 game or even the DS one.
This is why I am not buying a Wii, I am using that $250 to fund myself a real next-gen console. And this is why I feel the GC was better. Not because of the sales but because of the quality games found on it.
If you want to talk sales, then I could say SOFTWARE sales for the 360 have a much higher attach rate than the Wii, which shows that people only buy it for Wii Sports and a few handful of causalized games.
In short I would say the 360 takes gaming that I got on my Gamecube to the next level. The Wii does not do that.
Ninten007
Or take Metriod Prime for that fact. Without it's nice graphics that game would be nothing. Surely it's AI won't win you over or easy lock on system which makes this game easy to beat with your eyes closed. By 2002 standards MP was probably the greatest game out, by todays standards, MP3 is mediocre and offers nothing new from the previous 2 except tiny things here and there.
It's too bad they won't bring Convictions to the Wii :(. I'm gonna check out the new 007 game I didn't know there was a new one coming out.
And the GC was not only better because of the quality games but the hardware itself was very high quality, much higher than that of the ps2, which just goes to show you that you don't need powerful hardware to win the console sales war.
The wii only takes your controller to the next level. C'mon nintendo, you could have easily given it a 1.4ghz processor and 256mb ram, etc. Not nearly as strong as a 360 but the Wii is just plain WEAK and it has too many retraints to be compared to any next gen game/console.
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