What do you think Gamecube..

So if a console's hardware is weaker than others that means its not good? So by your definition all consoles are worthless because computers have the greatest hardware.

Well ok, I guess using your logic we settled all discussions, no one should buy consoles ever again since computers have best hardware.

7CloudStrife7

That's true, except a good PC costs thousands and not $250. But A wii costs the same as a core xbox360 almost, so WHY NOT compare it to an XBOX? The games are almost the same price too, so why not compare the games as well?

If the Wii costed $149.99 and the games were all $29.99 or less, than I would change my views probably but to spend $50 on cheap quality games like FarCry, ExciteTruck, RedSteel when there are better $10 GC games is a rip off .

And we are discussing next gen consoles here. So your PC comment is irrelevant.

So because the pc has better hardware thus working against your argument it doesn't count anymore? Jeez what other rules would you like to make up before we continue? I mean I would post more but I figure you will just make a completely bias statement that somehow proves your opinion lol.7CloudStrife7

i think hes saying since it cost so much and how the other ones are so affordable which could be considered a plus for the wii, cause you get the bang for your cheap buck...

Or take Metriod Prime for that fact. Without it's nice graphics that game would be nothing. Surely it's AI won't win you over or easy lock on system which makes this game easy to beat with your eyes closed. By 2002 standards MP was probably the greatest game out, by todays standards, MP3 is mediocre and offers nothing new from the previous 2 except tiny things here and there.

Yeah except Metroid Prime was the first time (frist try too) that samus was sucessfully thrown into a 3D environment with almost flawless performance. MP3:c brings flawless controls together.

The Wii is lacking in games with depth because all you do is waggle and you win, not hard and no thought process is required and thats why9 year olds can beat Wii games, but yet are challenged by by games with depth.

Okay say that to metroid prime 3 on hyper mode

[QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]So because the pc has better hardware thus working against your argument it doesn't count anymore? Jeez what other rules would you like to make up before we continue? I mean I would post more but I figure you will just make a completely bias statement that somehow proves your opinion lol.Minishdriveby

i think hes saying since it cost so much and how the other ones are so affordable which could be considered a plus for the wii, cause you get the bang for your cheap buck...

Or take Metriod Prime for that fact. Without it's nice graphics that game would be nothing. Surely it's AI won't win you over or easy lock on system which makes this game easy to beat with your eyes closed. By 2002 standards MP was probably the greatest game out, by todays standards, MP3 is mediocre and offers nothing new from the previous 2 except tiny things here and there.

Yeah except Metroid Prime was the first time (frist try too) that samus was sucessfully thrown into a 3D environment with almost flawless performance. MP3:c brings flawless controls together.

The Wii is lacking in games with depth because all you do is waggle and you win, not hard and no thought process is required and thats why9 year olds can beat Wii games, but yet are challenged by by games with depth.

Okay say that to metroid prime 3 on hyper mode

MP3 didn't do anything innovative with the controls. Far Cry and Red Steel beat MP3 with the control setup. MP3 may have been tweaked better but it wasn't the first game to use Wiimote for FPS.

And yes, the PC shouldn't be compared to consoles because PC is used for other things and costs 5x more.

You comparing a PC to Wii is like comparing a PC to the computers that NASA uses. Two completely different things and you get what you pay for.

$250 for Wii

$279 for 360

$50 Wii game

$60 360 game

I'll keep my comparisions to those platforms thanks.

[QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]So because the pc has better hardware thus working against your argument it doesn't count anymore? Jeez what other rules would you like to make up before we continue? I mean I would post more but I figure you will just make a completely bias statement that somehow proves your opinion lol.Minishdriveby

i think hes saying since it cost so much and how the other ones are so affordable which could be considered a plus for the wii, cause you get the bang for your cheap buck...

Or take Metriod Prime for that fact. Without it's nice graphics that game would be nothing. Surely it's AI won't win you over or easy lock on system which makes this game easy to beat with your eyes closed. By 2002 standards MP was probably the greatest game out, by todays standards, MP3 is mediocre and offers nothing new from the previous 2 except tiny things here and there.

Yeah except Metroid Prime was the first time (frist try too) that samus was sucessfully thrown into a 3D environment with almost flawless performance. MP3:c brings flawless controls together.

The Wii is lacking in games with depth because all you do is waggle and you win, not hard and no thought process is required and thats why9 year olds can beat Wii games, but yet are challenged by by games with depth.

Okay say that to metroid prime 3 on hyper mode

MP3 didn't do anything innovative with the controls. Far Cry and Red Steel beat MP3 with the control setup. MP3 may have been tweaked better but it wasn't the first game to use Wiimote for FPS.

And yes, the PC shouldn't be compared to consoles because PC is used for other things and costs 5x more.

You comparing a PC to Wii is like comparing a PC to the computers that NASA uses. Two completely different things and you get what you pay for.

$250 for Wii

$279 for 360

$50 Wii game

$60 360 game

I'll keep my comparisions to those platforms thanks.

PS3 offers sixaxis and with stronger hardware, comes better graphics, advanced AI, Bigger Environments, details, physics, lighting, realism, production value, online play, etc..

you make it sound like they strictly improved just the graphics and not anything else when it's a complete package.

The Sixaxis is just a lame attempt at copying the Wii. Sony didn't develop the Sixaxis until after Nintendo revealed the Wii control system. The Wii has online play too. Every other thing you mentioned deals with better graphics.

The Wii is lacking in games with depth because all you do is waggle and you win, not hard and no thought process is required and thats why9 year olds can beat Wii games, but yet are challenged by by games with depth.

Why don't you actually look at the Wii's lineup of games before making uneducated statements. You look at Wii Sports and a minigame collection and think every game is like that. The Wii has the same types of games as Gamecube.

The Wii is not getting these kind of games, just look at the latest Midway racer for the Wii called Crusin and look how terrible it is. Why because its all about the gameplay that Nintendo is touting and how graphics dont matter but gameplay and graphics go hand in hand.

So, just because one game is terrible and has horrible graphics you think the Wii automaticallly sucks. Every systemhas terrible games.You're arguments are horrible. Why don't you go look at Mario Galaxy. It has near 360 level graphics and deep gameplay.

If you want to talk sales, then I could say SOFTWARE sales for the 360 have a much higher attach rate than the Wii

That's because you're looking at American sales. The 360 has sold almost 3 million more units in America than the Wii (since it was released a year earlier). Worldwide sales are very similar. The Wii already has 7 titles over a million sold. The Wii is selling more software than the GC ever did.

In short I would say the 360 takes gaming that I got on my Gamecube to the next level. The Wii does not do that.

Games are about having fun. I can have fun without looking at graphics. I'm sorry if you can't say the same.

Or take Metriod Prime for that fact. Without it's nice graphics that game would be nothing

Metroid Prime was much more than graphics. Why don't you go look at reviews.

And the GC was not only better because of the quality games

You're comparing 6 years of games to 11 months.

Games are about having fun. I can have fun without looking at graphics. I'm sorry if you can't say the same.

So can I, but I'm not willing to spend $50 on a game that is a ps2/GC quality (if that). Graphics don't just offer something to look at but instead offer a game it's depth.

I don't need MP reviews because I played it and beat it. Without it's graphics or nice environments, I would have turned it off after 15 minutes and so would a million others.

If you think graphics are so unimportant, go back to playing the PS1 they had 500 great games but you probably would never touch that system again. (and don't post that you 'do' because we both know you don't.)

I did look at Mario Galaxy graphics, after a certain point, mario games can't look any better (and this point was the GC.) What did they do for Mario in Brawl? They added texture to his denim. WOW.

Fact is the stronger a system gets, the less bugs there are too. GC games were filled with bugs and so are Wii games. Next Gen games are much better with framerate issues and collision detection and bugs in general because the new Engines allow for stronger programming.

As for sixaxis. I played my motorstorm with it and it works better than when I played excite truck.

You are comparing 6 years to 11 months.

So what's wrong with that? Why not play 6 years of great games today, instead of waiting months at a time for a decent game to come out and when it does it's not even that good. Many people allow the hype of a game to tell them they will like it. When they preorder it and hype it to no end and discuss it, of course they will love it when it comes out even if it's not such a great game (and something they can see for what it really is months later when they prepare for the 'next' big game)

I'm sure my posts have dissuaded many GC owners from getting a wii and a 360 instead but I am not trying to do that. I just would like them to hang on to their GC for another year for Wii to drop possibly to $200 and the games to go down to $10-20 used as many of them already have (but none of the good ones).

Games are about having fun. I can have fun without looking at graphics. I'm sorry if you can't say the same.

So can I, but I'm not willing to spend $50 on a game that is a ps2/GC quality (if that). Graphics don't just offer something to look at but instead offer a game it's depth.

I don't need MP reviews because I played it and beat it. Without it's graphics or nice environments, I would have turned it off after 15 minutes and so would a million others.

If you think graphics are so unimportant, go back to playing the PS1 they had 500 great games but you probably would never touch that system again. (and don't post that you 'do' because we both know you don't.)

I did look at Mario Galaxy graphics, after a certain point, mario games can't look any better (and this point was the GC.) What did they do for Mario in Brawl? They added texture to his denim. WOW.

Fact is the stronger a system gets, the less bugs there are too. GC games were filled with bugs and so are Wii games. Next Gen games are much better with framerate issues and collision detection and bugs in general because the new Engines allow for stronger programming.

As for sixaxis. I played my motorstorm with it and it works better than when I played excite truck.

You are comparing 6 years to 11 months.

So what's wrong with that? Why not play 6 years of great games today, instead of waiting months at a time for a decent game to come out and when it does it's not even that good. Many people allow the hype of a game to tell them they will like it. When they preorder it and hype it to no end and discuss it, of course they will love it when it comes out even if it's not such a great game (and something they can see for what it really is months later when they prepare for the 'next' big game)

I'm sure my posts have dissuaded many GC owners from getting a wii and a 360 instead but I am not trying to do that. I just would like them to hang on to their GC for another year for Wii to drop possibly to $200 and the games to go down to $10-20 used as many of them already have (but none of the good ones).

Casiotech

Why not play 6 years of great games today

I played those 6 years of great games 4 years ago.

just would like them to hang on to their GC for another year for Wii to drop possibly to $200 and the games to go down to $10-20 used as many of them already have (but none of the good ones).

well to be fair the only reason its 250 right now is because of wii sports, I'll probably wait to get Zelda next summer, cause I'm getting MP3:c and Mario Galaxy, so I shall wait till i expect the price to lower.

For the record, I never said that graphics were unimportant. I just think that many other things are more important. I'd rather play a great game with bad graphics than a bad game with amazing graphics.

Also, I like that Wii offers new things in gaming with the control methods. The other consoles are just the same old thing on more powerful hardware. That's not a bad thing but its nothing fresh.

If you think graphics are so unimportant, go back to playing the PS1 they had 500 great games but you probably would never touch that system again. (and don't post that you 'do' because we both know you don't.)

I don't play PS1 games but I do play even older games. I play NES, SNES, N64, Turbographx 16, Genesis, and Neo Geo games on my Wii using the virtual console. I never owned those systems (except Genesis) back in the day so its great to go back and play games I missed and import games that were never released here (like Sin & Punishment). They are still fun and hold up to this day despite outdated graphics.

I did look at Mario Galaxy graphics, after a certain point, mario games can't look any better (and this point was the GC.)

Well, everyone talks about Wii's graphics and points out the worst looking games. Mario Galaxy looks significantly better than any GC gameever released and has very good art styles (as does MP3). The Wii has the capability of making good looking games just not 360 or PS3 levels. It's not like the graphicsare really that terrible.

Fact is the stronger a system gets, the less bugs there are too. GC games were filled with bugs and so are Wii games.

The development process deals with bugs, not hardware. If games have bugs, it means the developer was too lazy to take them out.

As for sixaxis. I played my motorstorm with it and it works better than when I played excite truck.

Well, Excite Truck isn't a great game to begin with. The Sixaxis can work for games like that but it can't do much else.

So what's wrong with that? Why not play 6 years of great games today, instead of waiting months at a time for a decent game to come out and when it does it's not even that good.

That's your choice of how you buy games but you can't say that GC has a better lineup than the Wii. Obviously it has a better a lineup. It's been out since 2001 whereas the Wii hasn't even been out a year.

i'm comparing the oldest 3d games, being ps1. Sure 'older' games are great like SNES games like Mega Man and SF2 but 2d games will always be great.

Bugs aren't just developers working out problems, it's the game engines which have poor programming which can only be fixed with better next gen game engines.

SMG doesn't look better than any GC game ever made. LM, Sunshine, SFA, MP, Rogue SII, TP all look comparable. Not to mention 3rd party games like Tomb Raider Legends and POP: TT which blows the simple SMG graphics to hell.

Mario games were never about great graphics anyway and SMG has small environments relative to a game like TP.

Minish you should consider getting TP used it's only about $25 now for both Wii and GC.

i'm comparing the oldest 3d games, being ps1. Sure 'older' games are great like SNES games like Mega Man and SF2 but 2d games will always be great.

I play N64 games so that includes old 3D games. If the game is fun, I will play it. I had tons of fun with Wave Race 64 this summer, an early N64 game.

Bugs aren't just developers working out problems, it's the game engines which have poor programming which can only be fixed with better next gen game engines.

Sorry, not buying it. If there are bugs it means the developer was too lazy to take them out/the game is rushed, etc. Plenty of games on last gen systems are bug free and there are many bug-filled current gen games.

SMG doesn't look better than any GC game ever made. LM, Sunshine, SFA, MP, Rogue SII, TP all look comparable. Not to mention 3rd party games like Tomb Raider Legends and POP: TT which blows the simple SMG graphics to hell.

Anyone who has eyes would tell you Mario Galaxy looks better than anything on the Cube. The games you compare don't come close.

Mario games were never about great graphics anyway and SMG has small environments relative to a game like TP.

I never said Mario games were all about great graphics, yet SMG still has them. I was just trying to show that you can have good looking games on the Wii even if they don't look like Gears of War.

LOL. C'mon even the Review for SMG said that the graphics aren't 'technically good... it's all about art direction'.

Take off the rose colored glasses. SMG isn't better looking than an xbox game. It does what a 700mhz processor can do. Nothing more, nothing less. If you think Nintendo has genius' that can find magical ways of making something for the wii look comparable to the 360, you're wrong and it will never happen.

Every GC game I mentioned is comparable. They may not have the 480i widescreen but they are just as impressive.

Sure SMG has great 'art' but it's still very low on polygons and textures.

So tell me, is SMG better than MP3, you know, since it scored so much higher? Graphically too. Go figure.

The point is that graphics make a game's development take longer, makes the development much more expensive, and usually means shorter games since so much time is spent with graphics. Games like Zelda Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Paper Mario look decent yet are still very long and have excellent gameplay.

LOL. C'mon even the Review for SMG said that the graphics aren't 'technically good... it's all about art direction'.

Go watch the video review. He praises the graphics on multiple occasions.

Take off the rose colored glasses. SMG isn't better looking than an xbox game.

It's comparable to some of the best looking Xbox games.

If you think Nintendo has genius' that can find magical ways of making something for the wii look comparable to the 360, you're wrong and it will never happen.

I never said they could and I could care less. Gameplay and fun factor are what matter in games.

Every GC game I mentioned is comparable.

Go watch videos/play the game, then play Sunshine. Get back to me when you do.

Sure SMG has great 'art' but it's still very low on polygons and textures.

Maybe when you compare it to the 360 and PS3. But it looks fine and does the job.

So tell me, is SMG better than MP3, you know, since it scored so much higher? Graphically too. Go figure.

I don't have the game yet so I'll tell you on Tuesday if its better. But since it's getting higher reviews, I assume it is better than MP3. I'm not sure how that's relevant at all though...