About health recovering system

There are a few way character to recover their health. What are they and do you think about them.

There is the item recover. This is where the player find or carry item that restore their health. It can add a challenge. The problem is when you are down to 1% of your health and face a group of enemies and you use all he health items you have access to.

Another is health regeneration. This is where the health slower recovers. Many have complained about this system allowing the player to just hid and return to the peak of the health. It also allow for much larger combat moments. It also allow for less to be focus on searching for health item and more on the combat.

There are hybrids of the two system talk about before. These can fail; like, in RPG where your magic recover and you have a healing spell that allow you to recover with out a worry about your items. They can also be a system better than the two that are it source. They keep the player being needing to search every corner just to find just a little more health and keep them player from being able to charge right through a huge group of enemies.

Guess you could call me old-fashioned but I think it makes more sense that if you're wounded then you mind a medkit that lets you heal up your wounds, rather then just hiding for a couple of seconds and then run back out into combat. Not to mention the former makes the game more challenging.Treflis

My problem with a pure heal by item is when you are down to 1% of your health and still need to fight a group of enemies.

I would say I like a mixture of the healing by item and healing over time when it is done right for FPS.

I think health should always regen, but it should regen more slowly.

Like 1 health per second, if max health is 600, takes 10 minutes to regen full.

It's just realistic that it should take a long time of resting to heal up to full.

Furthermore I like to see health kits and stuff, but not insta-fix, bandages a la L4D that take time to apply and are semi-rare.

I like hybrid health systems the most-health packs are still your primary concern, but if you run out or there are none immediately availible you have a little bit of "mercy" health to fall back on to avoid unwinnable situations. This is common in a lot of PSP shooters like Syphon Filter.

I guess it depends on the type of game and how they set up their enemy AI. If your enemies are crack shots and they're hitting you the moment you poke out from cover, yeah, give me recoving health. But if I can use my skill to avoid damage, then I can survive until I find health pick ups.

yeah I prefer the "item pickup", whether it be medkits and power cells for health and armor (a la Halflife) or stored medkits for use at later times like in FEAR

but I dont mind the newer, universally adopted regenerating health. It did not take away a significant amount of challenge and it is awfully covenient.

The best 2 health systems I am aware of did not employ a single life bar. I would say I dislike regeneration as it discourages exploration and the fact hiding somewhere for a few seconds will instantly get your health back.

The 2 best health systems are

Robinsson's Requiem (best)
Deus Ex (second best)

Guess you could call me old-fashioned but I think it makes more sense that if you're wounded then you mind a medkit that lets you heal up your wounds, rather then just hiding for a couple of seconds and then run back out into combat. Not to mention the former makes the game more challenging.Treflis

[QUOTE="Treflis"]Guess you could call me old-fashioned but I think it makes more sense that if you're wounded then you mind a medkit that lets you heal up your wounds, rather then just hiding for a couple of seconds and then run back out into combat. Not to mention the former makes the game more challenging.wiouds

My problem with a pure heal by item is when you are down to 1% of your health and still need to fight a group of enemies.

I would say I like a mixture of the healing by item and healing over time when it is done right for FPS.

I like the way Far Cry 2 does it. Your health bar is divided into segments, and each segment regenerates as long as the segment doesn't completely run out of health. And when segments are empty the only way to restore them is by using a medkit or if you get really hurt you can perform first aid on yourself.

I prefer segmented healthbars aswell, like in the max payne games, or Far cry 2 (the one good thing about that game)

Health auto regens untill a certain point (around 1/5th) and if all that is gone, then next piece is taken from, and you cant auto recover to full.

when down to the last bad you should start to worry :P

Overall I prefer the medkit approach, fully rechargable health has taken away far more then it has given, since the player do not need to search (and thus not truely conntected to) the envioment. This gens fps games with a single liniar corridor, and cover, is more thn just a tad bad. Sure it may look good, but when you look at gameplay, it is void... empty... about 20 steps back from where we got to last gen, all in the name of letting the lowest common denominator suceed at the game.

And people say "it is a nusiance to go search for health, it takes me out of the action" Well, guess what, it wont be long untill we are invulnurable in those games removing the last bit of challange all together, because some people really dislike anything challanging (well its allready hee, I havent forgotten Bioshock yet)

The segmented health bar is the closest thing to a comprimise between those two large groups ofpeople, Ive seen.

I prefer medkits myself, or a combination of the two. Necrovision has a nice mix of the two, regenerating up to 60% and to get full health you need medpacks or health orbs.

For FPS I like a hybrid. There you regenerated something and need an item that get to the character peak.

For RPG games, I like they only have items recover. Part of a RPG is planning and spending the money you gain as wisely as you can. Having a healing spell with mana regeneration just takes that away.

I always liked Rainbow Six/Rogue Spear's health system for SP. It involved real time healing as in real time. After a mission, an operative would be exhausted and would take 2 or so real days to get back to full alertness. If wounded, it could take weeks to heal (just as it would if you got shot for real). If an operative was killed, he stayed dead for the rest of the SP campaign.

Now for MP, R6/RS/GR all feature wounding and you stay wounded through the whole round. In GR you got gimped and limped around. If killed, you stayed dead until the end of the round. NO health packs, no med kits, no regenerating health. It really makes one be careful if you want to play a complete round. Shame more games do not feature this type of gameplay.

The original F.E.A.R. has a cool one: health regenerates up to 25%, to get the remaining 75% back you need health packs... which are plentiful and can be carried around ten at a time -__-Black_Knight_00

Which is a great system. If you got shot you would recover somewhat to try get some help (the 25%) but you would never get back to full running pace without medical aid. Full health regen never works unless they have super suits (ala crysis , half life) Games like BFBC2 shouldn't have full regenerative health which im glad to see been ditched for a different version in BF3. Its still there but just not as much

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]The original F.E.A.R. has a cool one: health regenerates up to 25%, to get the remaining 75% back you need health packs... which are plentiful and can be carried around ten at a time -__-seanmcloughlin

Which is a great system. If you got shot you would recover somewhat to try get some help (the 25%) but you would never get back to full running pace without medical aid. Full health regen never works unless they have super suits (ala crysis , half life) Games like BFBC2 shouldn't have full regenerative health which im glad to see been ditched for a different version in BF3. Its still there but just not as much

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]The original F.E.A.R. has a cool one: health regenerates up to 25%, to get the remaining 75% back you need health packs... which are plentiful and can be carried around ten at a time -__-Black_Knight_00

Which is a great system. If you got shot you would recover somewhat to try get some help (the 25%) but you would never get back to full running pace without medical aid. Full health regen never works unless they have super suits (ala crysis , half life) Games like BFBC2 shouldn't have full regenerative health which im glad to see been ditched for a different version in BF3. Its still there but just not as much

Exactly, even though I am a fantastic medic most times I hate when your own team don't revive you. They just want to spray. Im glad they fixed it for BF3 with the new classes. It will really change this attitude. But the new health system is great too (not perfect mind) but how you only regain health out of cambat situations. But if you are shooting or being shot at you are just gonna be left the same. BF3 seems to be really driving home teamplay. Which is what more people need to learn to play BF properly and enjoy it more

I don't see what's wrong with a standard med kit system, it's not realistic but it works just fine I'm ok with regenerating health though if there's enough challenge and excitement to the game that running around for health packs just feels like a chore. Not having to worry as much about health sometimes works out alrightEJ902

Fast paced action FPS games it works good in. But survival horror is where regen health would be a game breaker. Imagin Dead space with it, It wouldn't work at all

Exactly, even though I am a fantastic medic most times I hate when your own team don't revive you. They just want to spray. Im glad they fixed it for BF3 with the new classes. It will really change this attitude. But the new health system is great too (not perfect mind) but how you only regain health out of cambat situations. But if you are shooting or being shot at you are just gonna be left the same. BF3 seems to be really driving home teamplay. Which is what more people need to learn to play BF properly and enjoy it moreseanmcloughlin

Different games need different system. Each system has strength and weakness. There is a trade off with each.

What about the system from Front Mission Evolved? In it your mech is separated into parts: left arm, right arm, legs and torso. If the torso become zero you lose and it does regenerate. With the arms, if they become zero then your weapons on the arms become weak. If the legs become zero you can only move slowly.

I think the best health system, in my opinion, would be a hybrid of auto-filling and item based healing. What I mean is, that let's say you're down to 5%, without items, you'd heal back up to say 25%, beyond the 25% threshold there's no auto-fill and you resort to using medpack/kits and such.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Exactly, even though I am a fantastic medic most times I hate when your own team don't revive you. They just want to spray. Im glad they fixed it for BF3 with the new classes. It will really change this attitude. But the new health system is great too (not perfect mind) but how you only regain health out of cambat situations. But if you are shooting or being shot at you are just gonna be left the same. BF3 seems to be really driving home teamplay. Which is what more people need to learn to play BF properly and enjoy it moreBlack_Knight_00

Off topic I know, but weapons in BF3 have 3 slots, and you can add various things to each gun such as typical silencers and scopes, but you can also add things like foregrips and flashlights. That's all that's been said, but I'm guessing you'll be able to add silencers to all the guns where it makes sense (rifles, smgs) but I doubt we'll be seeing shotguns and LMGs with silencers for some reason.

In shooters health should regen but stop at 20% untill you find a health pack.

In other games absolutely NO regenerating health.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Exactly, even though I am a fantastic medic most times I hate when your own team don't revive you. They just want to spray. Im glad they fixed it for BF3 with the new classes. It will really change this attitude. But the new health system is great too (not perfect mind) but how you only regain health out of cambat situations. But if you are shooting or being shot at you are just gonna be left the same. BF3 seems to be really driving home teamplay. Which is what more people need to learn to play BF properly and enjoy it moreIndianaPwns39

Off topic I know, but weapons in BF3 have 3 slots, and you can add various things to each gun such as typical silencers and scopes, but you can also add things like foregrips and flashlights. That's all that's been said, but I'm guessing you'll be able to add silencers to all the guns where it makes sense (rifles, smgs) but I doubt we'll be seeing shotguns and LMGs with silencers for some reason.

I like the way Far Cry 2 does it. Your health bar is divided into segments, and each segment regenerates as long as the segment doesn't completely run out of health. And when segments are empty the only way to restore them is by using a medkit or if you get really hurt you can perform first aid on yourself.

brickdoctor

I agree with this. Far Cry 2 had a brilliant health system. It also had a ton of disturbingly gross 'heal yourself' animations which included things like digging bullets out of yourself or popping your arm back into place.