Am I the Only one who cant get into Western RPG's!

Hey everyone,

I am a huge avid of RPG Genre games, but for some reason when it comes to Western RPGS like Fallout and Mass Effect, I just cant get into them... For me, I believe it's the fact of too many side-missions that really takes me away from the main story line. I know a lot of mission is a good thing, I understand that, but for me, I prefer a game with a long single player story that is so diverse and interesing like Xenogears and FF7 and so on, where you didn't have too many side quest, but you were still focused in on the story.

What do you guys think? I find the character development in some JRPG"s bette than the robotic characters we play as in Western RPGs.. by robotic I mean when we have to answer a diologue situation and your character seems like a robot when he decides it.

Cheers!

I found the many stories of WRPG have been going down compair to JRPG which are about the same or better at the end.

I'm sort of the opposite. I've tried and tried but I just can't get into jrpgs. It's mandatory for me in an rpg to choose my dialogue options, what my character looks like etc. Though maybe I'll be able to get into them if I try a couple more.dkdk999

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]I'm sort of the opposite. I've tried and tried but I just can't get into jrpgs. It's mandatory for me in an rpg to choose my dialogue options, what my character looks like etc. Though maybe I'll be able to get into them if I try a couple more.lamprey263

I like both but i get annoyed when people complain about JRPG's have cliche stories when WRPG's Stories are just as cliche.

No, i really dont like wrpgs much because they are barely even rpgs anymore in comparison with what they used to be.

It is funny how all it takes to be a WRPG these days are the dialog system and some moral choices.

As much as I love wRPGs, I've only ever finished Mass Effect. For example, I've played countless hours of Morrowind & Oblivion, a considerable amount of Fallout 3, & quite a bit of Dragon Age: Origins & haven't finished any of them.

I don't like western theme games.

There are a lot of people in the world so no, people will share your opinion. I'm the complete opposite of you. I hate JRPGs, I can't stand them. WRPGs give me a chance to role play my own character and to explore the world.

I like all of the answers coming through, For some reason, the thing that bothers me the most, are the characters in WRPG's, most of them don't even talk, when you choose a dialogue answer, they look stupid and robotic.. I don't feel a connection with the character I'm playing, whereas, games like Final Fantasy, Xenogears, and even Eternal Sonata, I feel a connection and want to proceed through the game to help these people.

I feel a connection and want to proceed through the game to help these people.

First_Descent

I like all of the answers coming through, For some reason, the thing that bothers me the most, are the characters in WRPG's, most of them don't even talk, when you choose a dialogue answer, they look stupid and robotic.. I don't feel a connection with the character I'm playing, whereas, games like Final Fantasy, Xenogears, and even Eternal Sonata, I feel a connection and want to proceed through the game to help these people.

First_Descent

The sad thing is First_Descent is you're faulting WRPG's for the thing that they do best and that is Freedom. It's up to you to decide if you want to do those side quests or not. The games you listed have journals and map markers, if you only want to do those quests all you have to do is follow them and your complaint is fixed.smerlus

I understand that, but without doing the side-quests and what not, then when you continue, you are some what weak and usually die majority of the time. THey make it almost necessary to do the side-quests for a certain amount of time so you can level up, then you can continue with the story..

I like both but each has it's own weaknesses.

JRPG have a better story with all the playable characters having a place in the story. Their characters are just as bad as WRPG.

WRPG does have freedom but that freedom comes from the Game makers' freedom in how to make the game. Unless, you look at ME2 where they took most of that freedom away.

I like both but each has it's own weaknesses.

JRPG have a better story with all the playable characters having a place in the story. Their characters are just as bad as WRPG.

WRPG does have freedom but that freedom comes from the Game makers' freedom in how to make the game. Unless, you look at ME2 where they took most of that freedom away.

wiouds

I agree to the aspects that not all JRPG's are amazing and better because there have been some crappy ones in the past... but they have more of an integrated story for the player(s), in which each character has an important role to play in the game. Whereas, WRPG's, tend to focus on the individual over the group.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]The sad thing is First_Descent is you're faulting WRPG's for the thing that they do best and that is Freedom. It's up to you to decide if you want to do those side quests or not. The games you listed have journals and map markers, if you only want to do those quests all you have to do is follow them and your complaint is fixed.First_Descent

I understand that, but without doing the side-quests and what not, then when you continue, you are some what weak and usually die majority of the time. THey make it almost necessary to do the side-quests for a certain amount of time so you can level up, then you can continue with the story..

I like both but each has it's own weaknesses.

JRPG have a better story with all the playable characters having a place in the story. Their characters are just as bad as WRPGwiouds

Such an old wive's tale. No story in all of JRPG's history has ever reached the critical acclaim in story, characters or dialogue as Planescape Torment. Take a piece of dialogue, character or story from games KOTOR, Mass Effect 1 and 2, NWN 2: MotB, The Witcher, Vampire the Masquerade and they can easily go toe to toe with any JRPG in existance.

THe main character always feels a bit distanct from the story in WRPG.

I would not rate any of Bio-ware games as being the top of Story telling. Planescape Torment was not that good.

THe main character always feels a bit distanct from the story in WRPG.

I would not rate any of Bio-ware games as being the top of Story telling. Planescape Torment was not that good.

BioWare games story are segmented. They have a over arching plot and then four or five sub stories.

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

[QUOTE="smerlus"]The sad thing is First_Descent is you're faulting WRPG's for the thing that they do best and that is Freedom. It's up to you to decide if you want to do those side quests or not. The games you listed have journals and map markers, if you only want to do those quests all you have to do is follow them and your complaint is fixed.smerlus

I understand that, but without doing the side-quests and what not, then when you continue, you are some what weak and usually die majority of the time. THey make it almost necessary to do the side-quests for a certain amount of time so you can level up, then you can continue with the story..

I don't necessarily agree with this, there have been games that were extremely hard in the JRPG games such as Resonance of Fate and Valkryia Chronicles, and Demon Souls if you want to add this as well.

With level grinding, it's the same with WRPG's, you go around killing things to gain levels, and than side-mission level grinding, doing pointless missions that contribute nothing to the story to gain levels.

The problem with most WRPGs is the complete lack of personality and character development. Your character is usually a faceless guy that you will never care about, unlike JRPG characters, that while they may usually be cliche, they actually HAVE a personality, particularly the main character. And then all the NPC look alike which is something I absolutely hate, it's like they take the character customization at the start of the game and clicked the randomize button 300 times for all the npcs in the game and everyone looks like you.nintendog66

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="First_Descent"]

I understand that, but without doing the side-quests and what not, then when you continue, you are some what weak and usually die majority of the time. THey make it almost necessary to do the side-quests for a certain amount of time so you can level up, then you can continue with the story..

I don't necessarily agree with this, there have been games that were extremely hard in the JRPG games such as Resonance of Fate and Valkryia Chronicles, and Demon Souls if you want to add this as well.

With level grinding, it's the same with WRPG's, you go around killing things to gain levels, and than side-mission level grinding, doing pointless missions that contribute nothing to the story to gain levels.

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

[QUOTE="smerlus"] Well there are only 3 types of RPG's, ones with sidequests, ones with mindless and oldfashioned grinding and ones that are too easy to begin with. But the game on Easy and just play through the main quest.smerlus

I don't necessarily agree with this, there have been games that were extremely hard in the JRPG games such as Resonance of Fate and Valkryia Chronicles, and Demon Souls if you want to add this as well.

With level grinding, it's the same with WRPG's, you go around killing things to gain levels, and than side-mission level grinding, doing pointless missions that contribute nothing to the story to gain levels.

With regards to your other msg, I am glad you got to play sociopaths in games.. sounds rewarding in every way possible.. When I have played WRPG's, I was always a good guy, which is probably why I like JRPG's.

With this msg, see, we have a difference of opinion. So no matter how many times I respond to you about how I think JRPG's are better than WRPG's, you will rebuttal with how you think WRPG's are better than JRPG's, so how about we quit this back and forth, mommy vs daddy argument and let other people contribute their thoughts to this situation.

As long as your Character use the preset dialog you can have your character be what every you want him to be.

Edit to add:

The freedom from WRPG come at a cost.

I do enjoy having the role of the party in JRPG and I enjoy the combat in JRPG more often.

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="First_Descent"]

I don't necessarily agree with this, there have been games that were extremely hard in the JRPG games such as Resonance of Fate and Valkryia Chronicles, and Demon Souls if you want to add this as well.

With level grinding, it's the same with WRPG's, you go around killing things to gain levels, and than side-mission level grinding, doing pointless missions that contribute nothing to the story to gain levels.

With regards to your other msg, I am glad you got to play sociopaths in games.. sounds rewarding in every way possible.. When I have played WRPG's, I was always a good guy, which is probably why I like JRPG's.

With this msg, see, we have a difference of opinion. So no matter how many times I respond to you about how I think JRPG's are better than WRPG's, you will rebuttal with how you think WRPG's are better than JRPG's, so how about we quit this back and forth, mommy vs daddy argument and let other people contribute their thoughts to this situation.

Am I the only one that loves both JRPG's and WRPG's?

My favourite games are Mass Effect 2 and Final Fantasy VII xD

Is it that hard to like both types? OO

The one thing I can't stand about people that like JRPGs is that they think that WRPGs have bad stories. I just have to say Planescape Torment, nothing more.

I can't get into them either. I always seem to lose interest quickly...one exception has been Borderlands. WRPG's I own and lost interest in include Oblivion, Fallout 3/NV, Mass Effect, and Fable 2.

Hey everyone,

I am a huge avid of RPG Genre games, but for some reason when it comes to Western RPGS like Fallout and Mass Effect, I just cant get into them... For me, I believe it's the fact of too many side-missions that really takes me away from the main story line. I know a lot of mission is a good thing, I understand that, but for me, I prefer a game with a long single player story that is so diverse and interesing like Xenogears and FF7 and so on, where you didn't have too many side quest, but you were still focused in on the story.

What do you guys think? I find the character development in some JRPG"s bette than the robotic characters we play as in Western RPGs.. by robotic I mean when we have to answer a diologue situation and your character seems like a robot when he decides it.

Cheers!

First_Descent

I stopped playing JRPGs after FF-X. I grew tired of the linearity.

Think about it - no such thing as a "New Game" selection, a better label for the button would be "Restart".

Open-world WRPGs excel, as you can perform quests in the order you want, and you can explore - there's little to no open-area exploration in a JRPG.

I have not been that impress with open-world WRPGs. Their story just fall flat most of the times. I would say Fallout NV is the best story wise but it still not that impressive to other stories like NWN2.

I stopped playing JRPGs after FF-X. I grew tired of the linearity.

Think about it - no such thing as a "New Game" selection, a better label for the button would be "Restart".

Open-world WRPGs excel, as you can perform quests in the order you want, and you can explore - there's little to no open-area exploration in a JRPG.

topsemag55

I like both. WRPG are starting to feel dated comepair to JRPG. Why is are JPRGs the generalize by the surface of the game play alone?

The beauty of the WPRG is that you can choose not to do all those side missions and just go straight from beginning to end in the main story. At least you are given the option of doing something different and unrelated that may actually change how your character is seen in the world.

I have nothing against JRPG's... but I find it odd how the term "role-playing game" ever became associated with them in the first place... because they are missing half of the important aspects of a role-playing game... specifically choices that influence the outcome of the story and how the NPC's view the player's character in the world. I guess that is what happens when they copy Ultima and get associated with them because they share many of the same statistical elements.

well i play both and i like by far jrps better, stories are usually awesome, characters, etc, they are just better, there will never be a wrpg that comes close to the way games like xenogears or some of the ff presents the events and their characters, some of them were like reading an interactive book (which i thought it was awesome) instead of mindlessly killing the same monster one after another in games like fallout (don't misunderstand, i love fallout 3 but i was never like wtf this is awesome like with some jrpgs)

I think this happens basically because even though they share the rpg part jrpgs are dedicated in presenting a great story with deep plot, while wrpgs focus on being pretty and giving people a huge world to explore. And in games i look for awesome stories instead of just a time sink

THe main character always feels a bit distanct from the story in WRPG.

I would not rate any of Bio-ware games as being the top of Story telling. Planescape Torment was not that good.

wiouds

[QUOTE="wiouds"]

THe main character always feels a bit distanct from the story in WRPG.

I would not rate any of Bio-ware games as being the top of Story telling. Planescape Torment was not that good.

jasonharris48

Why did you think I say Bioware seprate from Planescape Torment?

The Witcher main character was made before the game is out and did not allow the player any really freedom with choice of what he would do.

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[QUOTE="wiouds"]

THe main character always feels a bit distanct from the story in WRPG.

I would not rate any of Bio-ware games as being the top of Story telling. Planescape Torment was not that good.

wiouds

Why did you think I say Bioware seprate from Planescape Torment?

The Witcher main character was made before the game is out and did not allow the player any really freedom with choice of what he would do.