Anyone else agree with me that the Sega Master System is very underrated?

When everybody thinks of a good 80's 8-Bit console it's usually the NES, but I for the first time tried out some SMS games and they are pretty good. Games such as the Alex Kidd series, Wonder Boy series, and even the 8-Bit SMS versions of Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2 are really good games and other cool SMS games as well. Although the NES is my favourite 8-Bit console, I'm starting to like the SMS as well. Any of you guys feel the same that the console was very underrated?

Also whats your favourite SMS games?

When everybody thinks of a good 80's 8-Bit console it's usually the NES, but I for the first time tried out some SMS games and they are pretty good. Games such as the Alex Kidd series, Wonder Boy series, and even the 8-Bit SMS versions of Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2 are really good games and other cool SMS games as well. Although the NES is my favourite 8-Bit console, I'm starting to like the SMS as well. Any of you guys feel the same that the console was very underrated?

Also whats your favourite SMS games?

Warhawk_

Alex Kidd. Oh boy that that little guy get screwed big time. Personally I don't find the Sega Master System worth owning. If I had one it would be worth keeping though.

On a side note I will say that some people swear by SMS because of Phantasy Star. I don't play RPG's much but people say it was ahead of its time.Nifty_Shark

It was, if we're talking consoles only. Today, it's just repetitive and boring.

I somewhat agree, the Mega Drive was in a way an updated Master System. Alot of games released on the MD were ported from the SMS (although, in most cases better on the MD due to obvious reasons) and it had the multi-plat games that were also on the NES too. Not forgetting Alex Kidd, Golden Axe Warrior, Hang-On, Sonic Chaos and WonderBoy which were SMS console exclusive.

Today though, it's probably just easier and more worthwhile getting a Mega Drive with an Adapter to play some of the SMS titles which weren't ported over.

It has a solid list of games and although I wouldn't say it's "very" underrated, i'd agree that it's overlooked due to the more wide-spread success of the MD and the popularity of the NES.

Well it was better than the Famicom at least IMO. As to whether it was underrated or not, it depends on the region. On some countries like Brazil the sysem is still very popular and continues to be manufactured.

The Master System had many great games like Alex Kidd in Miracle World, Wondery Boy in Monster Land, Fantasy Zone I and II, Golvellius, Phantasy Star, Ys etc. and of course Power Strike I & II were the best console shooting games of that generation.

I remember this one motor bike racing game that had me addicted. I can't remember the name for anything, but at the end of each level you could upgrade your bike.R0cky_Racc00n

[QUOTE="R0cky_Racc00n"]I remember this one motor bike racing game that had me addicted. I can't remember the name for anything, but at the end of each level you could upgrade your bike.EquiIibrium

I had a SMS and I can honestly say the system was mediocre. It was more powerful than the NES, but it just didn't have very many good games. Though I still suffer from pangs of guilt for never being able to beat Lord of the Sword :/Soilworkcob

True. Sloppy arcade ports, and dumbed down versions of Mega Drive / Genesis games. The TG-16/PC Engine had good arcade ports (even Sega games such as OutRun, Space Harrier and Fantasy Zone) and many great shmups. And look at the NES with its myriad of games - it didn't really lack in any category except for shmups. And even then, it had more than the Master System. Third party support for the Master System was non-existant. It was easily the worst console of the lot.

[QUOTE="EquiIibrium"][QUOTE="R0cky_Racc00n"]I remember this one motor bike racing game that had me addicted. I can't remember the name for anything, but at the end of each level you could upgrade your bike.R0cky_Racc00n

Road rash on Sms? R U Sure? I think you mean Genesis (aka Mega Drive).

[QUOTE="R0cky_Racc00n"][QUOTE="EquiIibrium"]Road Rash? I'm still addicted to that game.. :lol:Talldude80

Road rash on Sms? R U Sure? I think you mean Genesis (aka Mega Drive).

[QUOTE="Soilworkcob"]I had a SMS and I can honestly say the system was mediocre. It was more powerful than the NES, but it just didn't have very many good games. Though I still suffer from pangs of guilt for never being able to beat Lord of the Sword :/doubutsuteki

True. Sloppy arcade ports, and dumbed down versions of Mega Drive / Genesis games. The TG-16/PC Engine had good arcade ports (even Sega games such as OutRun, Space Harrier and Fantasy Zone) and many great shmups. And look at the NES with its myriad of games - it didn't really lack in any category except for shmups. And even then, it had more than the Master System. Third party support for the Master System was non-existant. It was easily the worst console of the lot.

At least it was better than that piece of flickering crap Famicom.

Yes, Yes, Yes. The Master System was the first console we got when I was a kid after the Atari 2600. There are so many great games for it: Time Soliders, Golvellius, Astro Warrior, R.C. Grand Prix, Golden Axe Warrior, Sonic. I think Astro Warrior will always be my favorite top down 2d shooter.

oh and the other great thing about the Master System: the controller. I just think it is so much more comfortable than the NES pad. The NES D pad always tore my thump up.

Yes, Yes, Yes. The Master System was the first console we got when I was a kid after the Atari 2600. There are so many great games for it: Time Soliders, Golvellius, Astro Warrior, R.C. Grand Prix, Golden Axe Warrior, Sonic. I think Astro Warrior will always be my favorite top down 2d shooter.

oh and the other great thing about the Master System: the controller. I just think it is so much more comfortable than the NES pad. The NES D pad always tore my thump up.

z3dd1cu5

Third Parties couldn't make games for the Master System because Nintedo had them tied-up legally. Not because they didn't wanted to. And the Master System made do with what it had.Panzer_Zwei

Yes. So? I'm not the CEO of Sega or Nintendo. It matters not in the least when it comes to what one would buy.

At least it was better than that piece of flickering crap Famicom.

The hardware wasn't very good. I agree with you there. Although I seem to recall you said you didn't really care for the technical side of things. Anyway, that console had virtually any 80s post-Atari console game you can think of on it, if you never noticed. It's impossible for me to say that the Master System was underrated or good when the NES had a gigantic library of games (lots of great games and lots of crappy ones) and the TG-16 / PCE had a larger library of shmups (the only are in which the NES and the SMS was lacking), and really good hardware that totally destroys both the NES and the SMS. And most of the better games for the SMS were available on some other platform, particularly the Mega Drive / Genesis - and that's still not mentioning the fact that those games were dumbed down for the SMS and weren't even always good for it.

The Master System is the inferior console no matter how I look at it, it had nothing but a handful of interesting games - your previous post only reflects this all too obviously.

The hardware wasn't very good. I agree with you there. Although I seem to recall you said you didn't really care for the technical side of things. Anyway, that console had virtually any 80s post-Atari console game you can think of on it, if you never noticed. It's impossible for me to say that the Master System was underrated or good when the NES had a gigantic library of games (lots of great games and lots of crappy ones) and the TG-16 / PCE had a larger library of shmups (the only are in which the NES and the SMS was lacking), and really good hardware that totally destroys both the NES and the SMS. And most of the better games for the SMS were available on some other platform, particularly the Mega Drive / Genesis - and that's still not mentioning the fact that those games were dumbed down for the SMS and weren't even always good for it.

The Master System is the inferior console no matter how I look at it, it had nothing but a handful of interesting games - your previous post only reflects this all too obviously.

doubutsuteki

The PC-Engine wasn't even able to pull off the old 8 MB Strider Mega Drive cartridge quality with CD-ROM and an Arcade Super Card

Yeah whatever you say. The Famicom was full of dumbed down games, If you didn't noticed "every" console of the time was way behind Arcade quality. But guess what? The dumbed down Arcade ports of the Master System were way better than the ones on the Famicom.

But you keep thinking what you want. To me the Famicom was stilll rubbish.

You realise the PC-Engine was a next-generation 16-bit console right? Hence the "16" on the Turbografx name. Why are you comparing it to the Master System? :|Panzer_Zwei

The PC-Engine wasn't even able to pull off the old 8 MB Strider Mega Drive cartridge quality with CD-ROM and an Arcade Super Card

Yeah whatever you say. The Famicom was full of dumbed down games, If you didn't noticed "every" console of the time was way behind Arcade quality. But guess what? The dumbed down Arcade ports of the Master System were way better than the ones on the Famicom.

But you keep thinking what you want. To me the Famicom was stilll rubbish.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

It wasn't a 16-bit system, the only thing that was 16-bit was the graphics processor.

The PC-Engine wasn't even able to pull off the old 8 MB Strider Mega Drive cartridge quality with CD-ROM and an Arcade Super Carddoubutsuteki

Huh?

Yeah whatever you say. The Famicom was full of dumbed down games, If you didn't noticed "every" console of the time was way behind Arcade quality. But guess what? The dumbed down Arcade ports of the Master System were way better than the ones on the Famicom.

But you keep thinking what you want. To me the Famicom was stilll rubbish.

Of course. If all one cares about is arcade ports, but then consoles are nothing more than weak substitutes for the arcades. So for what reason would one play games from the arcades on a Master System of all systems? The NES / Famicom was indeed full of dumbed down games from the arcades, but it was also full of great games, games that didn't follow the insert coin-formula of the arcades. The bottom line is that even at arcade ports the Master System lost to another system: The PC Engine.

And the point is that the PC-Engine was a "next-generation" system that compares to the Mega Drive and Super Famicom, not the Master System or Famicom.

You're just grapsing for straws.

It was a good system. Nothing wrong with it.LJS9502_basic

You had to get up in order to pause the game. Flaw #1 :P.

And the point is that the PC-Engine was a "next-generation" system that compares to the Mega Drive and Super Famicom, not the Master System or Famicom.

You're just grapsing for straws.

Panzer_Zwei

My point was that it's perfectly valid to compare the PC Engine with the NES and the SMS. I compare the original Amiga with other home computers released around the same time eventhough it was at least a decade before its time. The PC Engine just happened to be able compete (though unsuccessfully) with the 16-bit consoles because it was an unusually powerful system for an 8-bit system. It still existed before the 16-bit systems were out, which means it competed with the other 8-bit systems from the onset. If it's fair to compare the Super Nintendo and Mega Drive to it, I think that it's just as fair to compare it to the NES and the SMS. The better system takes the competition forward, and that's exactly what the PC Engine did. It took the console competition into the 4th generation. But it overlapped the 3rd and 4th generation in competition. Remember that it was only released two years after the Master System, and fours years after the NES. So if it's unfair to compare the PCE to the SMS then I think it should be just as unfair to compare the SMS to the NES - the NES had already been out for two years so it's not strange that it wasn't as powerful as the Master System when it arrived.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

And the point is that the PC-Engine was a "next-generation" system that compares to the Mega Drive and Super Famicom, not the Master System or Famicom.

You're just grapsing for straws.

doubutsuteki

My point was that it's perfectly valid to compare the PC Engine with the NES and the SMS. I compare the original Amiga with other home computers released around the same time eventhough it was at least a decade before its time. The PC Engine just happened to be able compete (though unsuccessfully) with the 16-bit consoles because it was an unusually powerful system for an 8-bit system. It still existed before the 16-bit systems were out, which means it competed with the other 8-bit systems from the onset. If it's fair to compare the Super Nintendo and Mega Drive to it, I think that it's just as fair to compare it to the NES and the SMS. The better system takes the competition forward, and that's exactly what the PC Engine did. It took the console competition into the 4th generation. But it overlapped the 3rd and 4th generation in competition. Remember that it was only released two years after the Master System, and fours years after the NES. So if it's unfair to compare the PCE to the SMS then I think it should be just as unfair to compare the SMS to the NES - the NES had already been out for two years so it's not strange that it wasn't as powerful as the Master System when it arrived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pc_engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(fourth_generation)

It doesn't matter when it was released. The Super Famicom and N64 were released two years later than the other systems. And that doesn't make the other systems not fall within the same category. The PC-Engine is definitely not within the same ranks of the Master System and Famicom. Those systems were third generation systems.

And "it just happened" to compete with the other fourth generation system? :? The system lasted 7 years and was succeeded at the same time than the Mega Drive and when the fifth generation systems were released in fall 1994. The system spent the mayority of it's lifespan against the Mega Drive and Super Famicom, not against the Master System and Famicom.

Do you really think that the PC-Engine got all those shooting games when the Master System was around?

The PC-Engine was a great system that overshadowed the Mega Drive in Japan, and IMO it was better than the Super Famicom. It was also the first console to release a CD-ROM add-on system. And you want to compare it to the Master System?

If that isn't graspring for straws I don't know what is.

And "it just happened" to compete with the other fourth generation system? :? The system lasted 7 years and was succeeded at the same time than the Mega Drive and when the fifth generation systems were released in fall 1994. The system spent the mayority of it's lifespan against the Mega Drive and Super Famicom, not against the Master System and Famicom.Panzer_Zwei

Do you really think that the PC-Engine got all those shooting games when the Master System was around?

The PC-Engine was a great system that overshadowed the Mega Drive in Japan, and IMO it was better than the Super Famicom. It was also the first console to release a CD-ROM add-on system. And you want to compare it to the Master System?

If that isn't graspring for straws I don't know what is.

IMO it was better than the Super Famicom.

Panzer_Zwei

I'd be willing to defend the exact opposite. A notable amount of the games for the PC Engine could be found on the NES. Plus SNES has so many great games that I shall not list them all :P.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

I know what is considered third and fourth generation, there's no need to go into it. You're completely missing my point. I don't get stuck up on labels that some video game market analyst made up - which was an afterthought anyway. It was because of the CD-ROM addon that the PCE managed to stay around for so long, and you know it.

Do you really think that the PC-Engine got all those shooting games when the Master System was around?doubutsuteki

No, but neither did the Dreamcast get all of its titles before the Nintendo 64 and the PlayStation bit the dust. Same thing with the Xbox360 in relation to the PS2.

The PC-Engine was a great system that overshadowed the Mega Drive in Japan, and IMO it was better than the Super Famicom. It was also the first console to release a CD-ROM add-on system. And you want to compare it to the Master System?

If that isn't graspring for straws I don't know what is.

What I'm saying is that console companies don't meet and decide together that they're all going to release next generation consoles, someone does it first and the others follow. The PC Engine was made to compete not with the Mega Drive, but with the NES / Famicom. The fact that it overshadowed both the Master System and the Mega Drive is just a testament to it's moderate success. Yet it didn't outshadow the NES / Famicom or the SNES / Super Famicom.

In terms of games I'd say that the SNES / SFC wins, but then I'm not just interested in shmups either. But if you're interested in shmups only, and dismiss everything else, then the PC Engine is the superior console. I try to look at it from a collected, overall perspective.

So by your logic is not fair to put the SFC against the Mega Drive because it was released two years later. Hell I thought the system war of that generation was the Mega Drive vs.SFC but according to you they're different generation consoles.So let's put the Mega Drive against the FC since it's what you're doing with the PCE.

But in any case, it was pointless of you to bring in the PCE. Was the PCE a whole lot better than the Master System? Of course it was and way better than the FC also. And the Mega Drive was even better than the PCE. So the FC ends up in the dust in any case.

The PCE wasn't only good at shooting games but also at RPGs, Adventure, Platformers etc. And yes better than the SFC in my view. But of course if all whayt people played was SFC games, as it's the case with this board. I can see why they would only have the shooting game perspective.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

IMO it was better than the Super Famicom.

Video_Game_King

I'd be willing to defend the exact opposite. A notable amount of the games for the PC Engine could be found on the NES. Plus SNES has so many great games that I shall not list them all :P.

And the PCE also has a great amount of games. I you want to keep believing the SFC is some sort of untouchable system, that's your bussiness.

But it's always been the same rap in this types of boards. I don't know why I even bother.

People go and bash systems they don't like because (according to them) they're crap and don't have enough good games or whatever floats their boat. And of course they think the systems they do like, can't or shouldn't be disliked by anybody beause they're the best things that happened in gaming. And just can't feature anybody else favouring the other systems or bashing the systems they like.

This is more than evident in this thread. Since they are trying to discedit any postiive feedback from other peopel because they can't grasp the possiblity that other people actually liked the Master System better.

Hell I don't like the FC but you don't see me drop in every FC thread to tell people how much I think the system is rubbish.

But it's always been the same rap in this types of boards. I don't know why I even bother.

People go and bash systems they don't like because (according to them) they're crap and don't have enough good games or whatever floats their boat. And of course they think the systems they do like, can't or shouldn't be disliked by anybody beause they're beyond good and even and are the best things that happened in gaming. And just can't feature anybody else favouring the other systems or bashing the systems they like.

This is more than evident in this thread and in Doubutuseki's (and Video Game King in a lesser amount) attitue . Since he's are trying to discedit any postiive feedback from other people because he seems unable to grasp the possiblity that other people actually liked the Master System better.

Hell I don't like the FC but you don't see me drop in every FC thread to tell people how much I think the system is rubbish. I don't even post on threads about systems that don't interest me. What's the point of posting if all you gonna do is bash and moan.

But it's always been the same rap in this types of boards. I don't know why I even bother.

People go and bash systems they don't like because (according to them) they're crap and don't have enough good games or whatever floats their boat. And of course they think the systems they do like, can't or shouldn't be disliked by anybody beause they're the best things that happened in gaming. And just can't feature anybody else favouring the other systems or bashing the systems they like.

This is more than evident in this thread. Since they are trying to discedit any postiive feedback from other peopel because they can't grasp the possiblity that other people actually liked the Master System better.

Hell I don't like the FC but you don't see me drop in every FC thread to tell people how much I think the system is rubbish.

Panzer_Zwei

I'm not calling the TurboGrafx-16 crap, I'm just saying it isn't as good as the other systems. There is a difference: the CDi is crap, the Neo Geo isn't as good as the other systems available at the time (due to the lack of variety in games). And what the hell do you have against the NES? There's got to be at least ONE game you like. That's pretty much the way it is for every system that isn't a total piece of crap (CDi, 3DO, Virtual Boy, Gizmondo, etc.).

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

But it's always been the same rap in this types of boards. I don't know why I even bother.

People go and bash systems they don't like because (according to them) they're crap and don't have enough good games or whatever floats their boat. And of course they think the systems they do like, can't or shouldn't be disliked by anybody beause they're the best things that happened in gaming. And just can't feature anybody else favouring the other systems or bashing the systems they like.

This is more than evident in this thread. Since they are trying to discedit any postiive feedback from other peopel because they can't grasp the possiblity that other people actually liked the Master System better.

Hell I don't like the FC but you don't see me drop in every FC thread to tell people how much I think the system is rubbish.

Video_Game_King

I'm not calling the TurboGrafx-16 crap, I'm just saying it isn't as good as the other systems. There is a difference: the CDi is crap, the Neo Geo isn't as good as the other systems available at the time (due to the lack of variety in games). And what the hell do you have against the NES? There's got to be at least ONE game you like. That's pretty much the way it is for every system that isn't a total piece of crap (CDi, 3DO, Virtual Boy, Gizmondo, etc.).

Of course I totally disgagree with your opinion. And you're free to disgree with me all you want, it won't change anythng. Only difference is that I can understand why you people would like the other system better.

And the Neo*Geo was an Arcade system, made for Arcade games. It was really good at it was aimed. It's not for nothing it was the longest running system of all time in any category.

"In your opinion". That's what you don't seem to be realising. I have over 70 PCE games and you're telling is not as good as the other systems? :? There isn't even half of that SFC or FC games that interest me.

Of course I totally disgagree with your opinion. And you're free to disgree with me all you want, it won't change anythng. Only difference is that I can understand why you people would like the other system better.

And the Neo*Geo was an Arcade system, made for Arcade games. It was really good at it was aimed. It's not for nothing it was the longest running system of all time in any category.

Panzer_Zwei

Sometimes, mass opinion can be considered fact, though. I think everybody can at least acknowledge that the NES was good. How good it was is subjective, but we can all agree that the system was good. And if anything, I'd see you more as a Genesis fan. Finally, the Neo Geo was a bit weird. Yea, it was an arcade console, but the Genesis is often called an arcade console, and that system had quite a bit of variety. Hell, even an RTS or two. Then again, the Genesis didn't start off as a hotel system...

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

"In your opinion". That's what you don't seem to be realising. I have over 70 PCE games and you're telling is not as good as the other systems? :? There isn't even half of that SFC or FC games that interest me.

Of course I totally disgagree with your opinion. And you're free to disgree with me all you want, it won't change anythng. Only difference is that I can understand why you people would like the other system better.

And the Neo*Geo was an Arcade system, made for Arcade games. It was really good at it was aimed. It's not for nothing it was the longest running system of all time in any category.

Video_Game_King

Sometimes, mass opinion can be considered fact, though. I think everybody can at least acknowledge that the NES was good. How good it was is subjective, but we can all agree that the system was good. And if anything, I'd see you more as a Genesis fan. Finally, the Neo Geo was a bit weird. Yea, it was an arcade console, but the Genesis is often called an arcade console, and that system had quite a bit of variety. Hell, even an RTS or two. Then again, the Genesis didn't start off as a hotel system...

Hell if you go for what you see boards that'd give you a really messed up perception of reality . I'm 28 and was only 8 years old when the Mega Drive game out in 1988. The average board user is around the 18 years old range, most of them weren't even alive by that time, and yet for some reason they go and say how the SFC ruled supreme when they didn't even lived that era. The SFC only outsold the MD by 1994 when that generation was over. The MD dominated that entire generation. The SFC sold the most from 1994 and on, and it profited better for a wider and more mainstream gaming market than in the previous years,.

If the SFC ruled supreme as most people try to make it look like, there wouldn't have been a console war. the SFC would had crushed the MD from the start in sales, yet it took it 4 years to catch on to it. People don't know and don't care about facts. They are just looking to rub their preferences in the faces of others, but don't like it when it's backwards.

And I'm not against systems because they're popular and/or had mass appeal or because everybody played them. I couldn't care less about it. I don't like systems because like you I think they aren't good.

And the Neo*Geo didn't started as Hotel system. The "home version" of it did. The AES is basically "a plug in your TV" and play MVS. The cartridges are actually only different in size, like the FC and the NES was. Both were the same system.

And the Neo*Geo didn't started as Hotel system. The "home version" of it did. The AES is basically "a plug in your TV" and play MVS. The cartridges are actually only different in size, like the FC and the NES was. Both were the same system.

Panzer_Zwei

I'll ignore your other points and focus on this one :P. Since you used Wiki, I shall as well. Says it right heauh. And this seems to be supported by the fact that I can't find any games for the Neo Geo released before the home version was on the market.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

And the Neo*Geo didn't started as Hotel system. The "home version" of it did. The AES is basically "a plug in your TV" and play MVS. The cartridges are actually only different in size, like the FC and the NES was. Both were the same system.

Video_Game_King

I'll ignore your other points and focus on this one :P. Since you used Wiki, I shall as well. Says it right heauh. And this seems to be supported by the fact that I can't find any games for the Neo Geo released before the home version was on the market.

The interest from the system came from the success the MVS had at the Arcades. Even if you think about it, it would be too unlikely for a system people only played in hotels to gain much notoriety.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

And the Neo*Geo didn't started as Hotel system. The "home version" of it did. The AES is basically "a plug in your TV" and play MVS. The cartridges are actually only different in size, like the FC and the NES was. Both were the same system.

Panzer_Zwei

I'll ignore your other points and focus on this one :P. Since you used Wiki, I shall as well. Says it right heauh. And this seems to be supported by the fact that I can't find any games for the Neo Geo released before the home version was on the market.

The interest from the system came from the success the MVS had at the Arcades. Even if you think about it, it would be too unlikely for a system people only played in hotels to gain much notoriety.

I'm not sure that many people paid attention to the hardware connected to the arcade games, at least not as much as they do with consoles. With a console, there's something a bit more clear there. You can associate the game with some sort of hardware. Arcades, a bit harder to do that. Not impossible, but harder. And I've made my point: none of the games were released before the home system, meaning both home and arcade had to come around the same time.

I'm not sure that many people paid attention to the hardware connected to the arcade games, at least not as much as they do with consoles. With a console, there's something a bit more clear there. You can associate the game with some sort of hardware. Arcades, a bit harder to do that. Not impossible, but harder. And I've made my point: none of the games were released before the home system, meaning both home and arcade had to come around the same time.

Video_Game_King

SNK was already an Arcade dev before they came with their Neo*Geo system. Releasing their own system specially to play in hotels makes little sense.

And as a counter point for yours. The AES never got any exclusive game that wasn't available in Arcades. It was actually the other way around.

In any case we need specific release dates to settle this argument. "1990" alone doesn't do. For all we know the MVS could had been released at the start of the year and the AES at fall. I know Magician Lord was released on the AES in 1991 while it was released in early/mid 1990 for the MVS

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

I'm not sure that many people paid attention to the hardware connected to the arcade games, at least not as much as they do with consoles. With a console, there's something a bit more clear there. You can associate the game with some sort of hardware. Arcades, a bit harder to do that. Not impossible, but harder. And I've made my point: none of the games were released before the home system, meaning both home and arcade had to come around the same time.

Panzer_Zwei

SNK was already an Arcade dev before they came with their Neo*Geo system. Releasing their own system specially to play in hotels makes little sense.

And as a counter point for yours. The AES never got any exclusive game that wasn't available in Arcades. It was actually the other way around.

OK, I like a challenge. The point I said in that post was within the point you pointed out. (Diagram that as a chart or something if the wording seems confusing :P.) And the fact that they were for retail as non-arcade machines leans toward my point: the AES, then the MVS.