Anyone else agree with me that the Sega Master System is very underrated?

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

I'm not sure that many people paid attention to the hardware connected to the arcade games, at least not as much as they do with consoles. With a console, there's something a bit more clear there. You can associate the game with some sort of hardware. Arcades, a bit harder to do that. Not impossible, but harder. And I've made my point: none of the games were released before the home system, meaning both home and arcade had to come around the same time.

Video_Game_King

SNK was already an Arcade dev before they came with their Neo*Geo system. Releasing their own system specially to play in hotels makes little sense.

And as a counter point for yours. The AES never got any exclusive game that wasn't available in Arcades. It was actually the other way around.

OK, I like a challenge. The point I said in that post was within the point you pointed out. (Diagram that as a chart or something if the wording seems confusing :P.) And the fact that they were for retail as non-arcade machines leans toward my point: the AES, then the MVS.

So you really think SNK made their system and games with the hotel market in mind? How much of an user base could they reach with that? Do you know of anybody who actually played an Neo*Geo and a hotel?

Peope learned of the Neo*Geo games from the Arcades.

Why do AES games still kept the "Credit" on the screen? You didn't instered coins on the AES. The AES was a home conversion of the MVS system.

Why do AES games still kept the "Credit" on the screen? You didn't instered coins on the AES. The AES was a home conversion of the MVS system.

Panzer_Zwei

Really? Didn't notice that. Just thought that people found it acceptable to see arcade features in console games......keep in mind I wasn't around when the Neo Geo was. I simply wasn't a gamer.

Oh, and I tried searching for definite dates, and the closest I got was this. Seems weird. *puts up pwnage shield :P*

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Why do AES games still kept the "Credit" on the screen? You didn't instered coins on the AES. The AES was a home conversion of the MVS system.

Video_Game_King

Really? Didn't notice that. Just thought that people found it acceptable to see arcade features in console games......keep in mind I wasn't around when the Neo Geo was. I simply wasn't a gamer.

Oh, and I tried searching for definite dates, and the closest I got was this. Seems weird. *puts up pwnage shield :P*

Seems logic.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

IMO it was better than the Super Famicom.

Panzer_Zwei

I'd be willing to defend the exact opposite. A notable amount of the games for the PC Engine could be found on the NES. Plus SNES has so many great games that I shall not list them all :P.

And the PCE also has a great amount of games. I you want to keep believing the SFC is some sort of untouchable system, that's your bussiness.

"In your opinion". That's what you don't seem to be realising. I have over 70 PCE games and you're telling is not as good as the other systems? :? There isn't even half of that SFC or FC games that interest me

Of course I totally disgagree with your opinion. And you're free to disgree with me all you want, it won't change anythng. Only difference is that I can understand why you people would like the other system better.

And the Neo*Geo was an Arcade system, made for Arcade games. It was really good at it was aimed. It's not for nothing it was the longest running system of all time in any category.

Panzer_Zwei

Sometimes, mass opinion can be considered fact, though. I think everybody can at least acknowledge that the NES was good. How good it was is subjective, but we can all agree that the system was good. And if anything, I'd see you more as a Genesis fan. Finally, the Neo Geo was a bit weird. Yea, it was an arcade console, but the Genesis is often called an arcade console, and that system had quite a bit of variety. Hell, even an RTS or two. Then again, the Genesis didn't start off as a hotel system...

Video_Game_King

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

Sometimes, mass opinion can be considered fact, though. I think everybody can at least acknowledge that the NES was good. How good it was is subjective, but we can all agree that the system was good. And if anything, I'd see you more as a Genesis fan. Finally, the Neo Geo was a bit weird. Yea, it was an arcade console, but the Genesis is often called an arcade console, and that system had quite a bit of variety. Hell, even an RTS or two. Then again, the Genesis didn't start off as a hotel system...

FirstDiscovery

I'd say it was a pretty good argument. What I'm saying is that there's a reason why people love the NES: IT HAD GOOD GAMES THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER. Now if only I could figure out why there are people who love FF12 :P...

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]"In your opinion". That's what you don't seem to be realising. I have over 70 PCE games and you're telling is not as good as the other systems? :? There isn't even half of that SFC or FC games that interest me

Of course I totally disgagree with your opinion. And you're free to disgree with me all you want, it won't change anythng. Only difference is that I can understand why you people would like the other system better.

And the Neo*Geo was an Arcade system, made for Arcade games. It was really good at it was aimed. It's not for nothing it was the longest running system of all time in any category.

FirstDiscovery

I don't dislike the FC or SFC just for the sake of it.

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]"In your opinion". That's what you don't seem to be realising. I have over 70 PCE games and you're telling is not as good as the other systems? :? There isn't even half of that SFC or FC games that interest me

Of course I totally disgagree with your opinion. And you're free to disgree with me all you want, it won't change anythng. Only difference is that I can understand why you people would like the other system better.

And the Neo*Geo was an Arcade system, made for Arcade games. It was really good at it was aimed. It's not for nothing it was the longest running system of all time in any category.

Panzer_Zwei

I don't dislike the FC or SFC just for the sake of it.

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

Sometimes, mass opinion can be considered fact, though. I think everybody can at least acknowledge that the NES was good. How good it was is subjective, but we can all agree that the system was good. And if anything, I'd see you more as a Genesis fan. Finally, the Neo Geo was a bit weird. Yea, it was an arcade console, but the Genesis is often called an arcade console, and that system had quite a bit of variety. Hell, even an RTS or two. Then again, the Genesis didn't start off as a hotel system...

Video_Game_King

I'd say it was a pretty good argument. What I'm saying is that there's a reason why people love the NES: IT HAD GOOD GAMES THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER. Now if only I could figure out why there are people who love FF12 :P...

I know what is considered third and fourth generation, there's no need to go into it. You're completely missing my point. I don't get stuck up on labels that some video game market analyst made up - which was an afterthought anyway. It was because of the CD-ROM addon that the PCE managed to stay around for so long, and you know it.

Do you really think that the PC-Engine got all those shooting games when the Master System was around?doubutsuteki

No, but neither did the Dreamcast get all of its titles before the Nintendo 64 and the PlayStation bit the dust. Same thing with the Xbox360 in relation to the PS2.

The PC-Engine was a great system that overshadowed the Mega Drive in Japan, and IMO it was better than the Super Famicom. It was also the first console to release a CD-ROM add-on system. And you want to compare it to the Master System?

If that isn't graspring for straws I don't know what is.

What I'm saying is that console companies don't meet and decide together that they're all going to release next generation consoles, someone does it first and the others follow. The PC Engine was made to compete not with the Mega Drive, but with the NES / Famicom. The fact that it overshadowed both the Master System and the Mega Drive is just a testament to it's moderate success. Yet it didn't outshadow the NES / Famicom or the SNES / Super Famicom.

In terms of games I'd say that the SNES / SFC wins, but then I'm not just interested in shmups either. But if you're interested in shmups only, and dismiss everything else, then the PC Engine is the superior console. I try to look at it from a collected, overall perspective.

Please God, make it shut up. :cry:

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]Im sorry but this is the worst argument ever and on SW considered last resort Popular =/= GoodFirstDiscovery

I'd say it was a pretty good argument. What I'm saying is that there's a reason why people love the NES: IT HAD GOOD GAMES THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER. Now if only I could figure out why there are people who love FF12 :P...

Look, I have no clue about cars. Not into cars, but there's a big difference between cars and video games: you have to think more about which car you get than you do a video game. A car can cost upward of 20K, so you have think a lot more about what car you'll get, what you need it to do, etc. And I found FF12 to be a piece of crap. The game thought it was much better than it actually was, and used that as an excuse to get rid of the gameplay. Why is it a good idea that I should walk up to an enemy, and then do nothing with my controller. And don't play the "You don't have to use the Gambits if you don't want to" card, because that's a bunch of crap. The game will take control away from you with or without Gambits, I tried this out.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]In terms of games I'd say that the SNES / SFC wins, but then I'm not just interested in shmups either. But if you're interested in shmups only, and dismiss everything else, then the PC Engine is the superior console. I try to look at it from a collected, overall perspective. doubutsuteki

For the master System, you take, Ninja Gaiden, R Type, Sagaia , Castle and Land of illusion, Deep Duck Trouble, Phantasy star, Golden axe Warrior, Submarine Attack, Power Strike, Sonic Series, Wonder Boy Series, Kenseiden, Fhantasy Zone, Zillion 2, Spellcaster, Shinobi , Aerial Assault , Bubble Bobble, The Lion King, Alladin, Asterix, The Flash, American Baseball, Tecmo World cup 93 ... and you compare with nes, you will see, master system is the best.

Ciao noobs.

[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]In terms of games I'd say that the SNES / SFC wins, but then I'm not just interested in shmups either. But if you're interested in shmups only, and dismiss everything else, then the PC Engine is the superior console. I try to look at it from a collected, overall perspective. Shinoa27

For the master System, you take, Ninja Gaiden, R Type, Sagaia , Castle and Land of illusion, Deep Duck Trouble, Phantasy star, Golden axe Warrior, Submarine Attack, Power Strike, Sonic Series, Wonder Boy Series, Kenseiden, Fhantasy Zone, Zillion 2, Spellcaster, Shinobi , Aerial Assault , Bubble Bobble, The Lion King, Alladin, Asterix, The Flash, American Baseball, Tecmo World cup 93 ... and you compare with nes, you will see, master system is the best.

Ciao noobs.

For me , Megadrive /genesis si far far far superior than snes for action games , adventure games, sport games, beat em all games shoot em up games, racing games , plateformes games... just rpg is for snes and i am not fan of rpg, you know what i mean, The difference is enorme.

For the master System, you take, Ninja Gaiden, R Type, Sagaia , Castle and Land of illusion, Deep Duck Trouble, Phantasy star, Golden axe Warrior, Submarine Attack, Power Strike, Sonic Series, Wonder Boy Series, Kenseiden, Fhantasy Zone, Zillion 2, Spellcaster, Shinobi , Aerial Assault , Bubble Bobble, The Lion King, Alladin, Asterix, The Flash, American Baseball, Tecmo World cup 93 ... and you compare with nes, you will see, master system is the best.

Ciao noobs.

Shinoa27

From personal experience, I can tell you that the NES kicks the crap out of those games with one foot behind its back. And you spelt Aladdin wrong ;).

[QUOTE="Shinoa27"]

For me , Megadrive /genesis si far far far superior than snes for action games , adventure games, sport games, beat em all games shoot em up games, racing games , plateformes games... just rpg is for snes and i am not fan of rpg, you know what i mean, The difference is enorme.

For the master System, you take, Ninja Gaiden, R Type, Sagaia , Castle and Land of illusion, Deep Duck Trouble, Phantasy star, Golden axe Warrior, Submarine Attack, Power Strike, Sonic Series, Wonder Boy Series, Kenseiden, Fhantasy Zone, Zillion 2, Spellcaster, Shinobi , Aerial Assault , Bubble Bobble, The Lion King, Alladin, Asterix, The Flash, American Baseball, Tecmo World cup 93 ... and you compare with nes, you will see, master system is the best.

Ciao noobs.

Video_Game_King

From personal experience, I can tell you that the NES kicks the crap out of those games with one foot behind its back. And you spelt Aladdin wrong ;).

+ R Type and Sonic ...

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Shinoa27"]

For me , Megadrive /genesis si far far far superior than snes for action games , adventure games, sport games, beat em all games shoot em up games, racing games , plateformes games... just rpg is for snes and i am not fan of rpg, you know what i mean, The difference is enorme.

For the master System, you take, Ninja Gaiden, R Type, Sagaia , Castle and Land of illusion, Deep Duck Trouble, Phantasy star, Golden axe Warrior, Submarine Attack, Power Strike, Sonic Series, Wonder Boy Series, Kenseiden, Fhantasy Zone, Zillion 2, Spellcaster, Shinobi , Aerial Assault , Bubble Bobble, The Lion King, Alladin, Asterix, The Flash, American Baseball, Tecmo World cup 93 ... and you compare with nes, you will see, master system is the best.

Ciao noobs.

Shinoa27

From personal experience, I can tell you that the NES kicks the crap out of those games with one foot behind its back. And you spelt Aladdin wrong ;).

I don't remember it being better. Wasn't as action packed as the NES game. Or story packed. Or good :P.

Sonic Chaos was great, and i found Alex Kidd to be VERY overated reallyFirstDiscovery

[QUOTE="Shinoa27"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

From personal experience, I can tell you that the NES kicks the crap out of those games with one foot behind its back. And you spelt Aladdin wrong ;).

Video_Game_King

I don't remember it being better. Wasn't as action packed as the NES game. Or story packed. Or good :P.

And obviously you "remember" wrong.

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]Sonic Chaos was great, and i found Alex Kidd to be VERY overated reallyst1ka

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Shinoa27"] Your experience is fake. Ninja Gaiden is better on Master System. One game is enough for win vs all nes game 8)Panzer_Zwei

I don't remember it being better. Wasn't as action packed as the NES game. Or story packed. Or good :P.

And obviously you "remember" wrong.

OK, that one's probably true :P. Lemme check. No, I remembered right.

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]Sonic Chaos was great, and i found Alex Kidd to be VERY overated reallyFirstDiscovery

i thought that the master system sonic games were ranged from ok to good, nothing really worth getting excited

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="st1ka"]which alex kid? there 4 of them, 2 of them are good, 2 of them are badst1ka

i thought that the master system sonic games were ranged from ok to good, nothing really worth getting excited

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

I don't remember it being better. Wasn't as action packed as the NES game. Or story packed. Or good :P.

Video_Game_King

And obviously you "remember" wrong.

OK, that one's probably true :P. Lemme check. No, I remembered right.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]You remember it? As far as I know that game was developed and released exclusively for Europe

And obviously you "remember" wrong.

FirstDiscovery

OK, that one's probably true :P. Lemme check. No, I remembered right.

But that's not the point. The point is that I remember right. And I'm aware of how much of an old school god he is, along with others (zh666, most of the Candid Collectors Union, etc.). I'm getting there, though.

For me , Megadrive /genesis si far far far superior than snes for action games , adventure games, sport games, beat em all games shoot em up games, racing games , plateformes games... just rpg is for snes and i am not fan of rpg, you know what i mean, The difference is enorme.

For the master System, you take, Ninja Gaiden, R Type, Sagaia , Castle and Land of illusion, Deep Duck Trouble, Phantasy star, Golden axe Warrior, Submarine Attack, Power Strike, Sonic Series, Wonder Boy Series, Kenseiden, Fhantasy Zone, Zillion 2, Spellcaster, Shinobi , Aerial Assault , Bubble Bobble, The Lion King, Alladin, Asterix, The Flash, American Baseball, Tecmo World cup 93 ... and you compare with nes, you will see, master system is the best.

Ciao noobs.

From personal experience, I can tell you that the NES kicks the crap out of those games with one foot behind its back. And you spelt Aladdin wrong ;).

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Shinoa27"]

For me , Megadrive /genesis si far far far superior than snes for action games , adventure games, sport games, beat em all games shoot em up games, racing games , plateformes games... just rpg is for snes and i am not fan of rpg, you know what i mean, The difference is enorme.

For the master System, you take, Ninja Gaiden, R Type, Sagaia , Castle and Land of illusion, Deep Duck Trouble, Phantasy star, Golden axe Warrior, Submarine Attack, Power Strike, Sonic Series, Wonder Boy Series, Kenseiden, Fhantasy Zone, Zillion 2, Spellcaster, Shinobi , Aerial Assault , Bubble Bobble, The Lion King, Alladin, Asterix, The Flash, American Baseball, Tecmo World cup 93 ... and you compare with nes, you will see, master system is the best.

Ciao noobs.

z3dd1cu5

From personal experience, I can tell you that the NES kicks the crap out of those games with one foot behind its back. And you spelt Aladdin wrong ;).

That's still an accepted spelling of the word.

So by your logic is not fair to put the SFC against the Mega Drive because it was released two years later. Hell I thought the system war of that generation was the Mega Drive vs.SFC but according to you they're different generation consoles. So let's put the Mega Drive against the FC since it's what you're doing with the PCE.Panzer_Zwei

But in any case, it was pointless of you to bring in the PCE. Was the PCE a whole lot better than the Master System? Of course it was and way better than the FC also. And the Mega Drive was even better than the PCE. So the FC ends up in the dust in any case.

The PCE wasn't only good at shooting games but also at RPGs, Adventure, Platformers etc. And yes better than the SFC in my view. But of course if all whayt people played was SFC games, as it's the case with this board. I can see why they would only have the shooting game perspective.