Bashing starcraft 2 on the hotspot.

I have been a listener of the hotspot for a long time now. This last one on 7/20/2010 really pissed me off. Every single host was bashing starcraft 2 saying how it wont sell, people dont buy pc games anymore, people dont play RTS games anymore, people will just pirate it ect.

I have to say that now i understand that gamespot is completely console bias. What makes you think that starcraft 2 is going to flop? It is one of the most anticipated sequels ever. It is not just "starcraft 1 with better graphics. It is much much more than that. Tom Mcgreno was very negative about the game on every level.

Also the view that everyone pirates pc games is very insulting and condensending.

I will no longer be listening to the hotspot due to this clear bias.

Haven't you heard? Blizzard has no following. They release this game called World oif Warcraft or something quite a while back and it was a flop. I guarantee you no console gamer is playing it! So why would they succeed now?

Yeah that was dripping with sarcasm. I'm with you. I stopped listening to the Hotspot quite a while back due to their biased views on many things like this (and I'm not even a PC gamer anymore!)

Console bias? but they didn't comment on the quality of the game, they just talked about sales. How can that be bias?

Also, they are right for the most part. Wether you like or not, there will be less sales because of piracy and because the gamedoesn't belong to popular genre such as a console FPS. To what extent you believe sales will be affected is up to you, but the fact is, its going to happen.

Console bias? but they didn't comment on the quality of the game, they just talked about sales. How can that be bias?

Also, they are right for the most part. Wether you like or not, there will be less sales because of piracy and because the gamedoesn't belong to popular genre such as a console FPS. To what extent you believe sales will be affected is up to you, but the fact is, its going to happen.

alfredooo

you cant pirate it. it requires authentication for single player and multiplayer. The authentication servers require a cd key and activation. It requires constant internet connection. Its like AC2. Also they were talking about how the publisher might not have confidence in it. Thats total bs

I agree to insinuate that the majority of PC gamers pirate software is disgusting considering how well games sell on steam, there are some very narrow minded console biased views right there. Still it gives you something to think about and you probably shouldn't base your purchases on the testimony of somebody who likely thinks CoD MW 2 is the pinnacle of gaming.

Sounds like your typical gaming podcast to me. You know, the crew of console gamers who talk out of their butt about PC since they don't know jack about it. Seems like an epidemic these days.

Starcraft 2 will have poor sales?LOL!

Starcraft 2 is gonna destroy south korea's economy!

My gamestop alone saids he has about a 100 orders thats not bad for a pc game..Considering they dont even sell that many pc games any more..Maybe ill buy 3 games from them a year on the pc..Most of my games are off of steam..This guy will eat his words..Starcraft over a 10 year period will out sell most console games..You heard it here first ..

Starcraft 2 will have poor sales?LOL!

Starcraft 2 is gonna destroy south korea's economy!

call_of_duty_10

Its going to be funny when it is exceedingly successful, critically acclaimed, and Gamespot is sitting back all bitter they couldn't have been part of the magic.

I personally want nothing to do with the game, as it is associated with Activision, but denying it as basically the end of the world when it comes to sales (specifically in South Korea)? Not smart.

The idea that "no one plays PC games anymore" and "all PC gamers pirate their games" is something found in System Wars. I find it quite amazing how such nonsense actually permeates not only "professional" gaming critics, but developers as well (many who call piracy an excuse for not making games for PC anymore).

I would rate the beta 9/10, compared against any full game. That's how much I'm enjoying Starcraft 2.

Assuming the full version doesn't release a swarm of yellowjackets when I put it in the DVD drive, it's safe to say that the full version is going to be great.

The idea that somehow Starcraft 2 won't sell is absolutely laughable. Haters gonna hate, I guess.

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Starcraft 2 will have poor sales?LOL!

Starcraft 2 is gonna destroy south korea's economy!

Kaim91

Consumerism boots capitalist economy. The more money people are spending, the better.

I have been a listener of the hotspot for a long time now. This last one on 7/20/2010 really pissed me off. Every single host was bashing starcraft 2 saying how it wont sell, people dont buy pc games anymore, people dont play RTS games anymore, people will just pirate it ect.

I have to say that now i understand that gamespot is completely console bias. What makes you think that starcraft 2 is going to flop? It is one of the most anticipated sequels ever. It is not just "starcraft 1 with better graphics. It is much much more than that. Tom Mcgreno was very negative about the game on every level.

Also the view that everyone pirates pc games is very insulting and condensending.

I will no longer be listening to the hotspot due to this clear bias.

Tahnit

You didn't know this? They aren't any better than the fanboys that fill up system wars.

I have absolutely no interest in the game and as far as I'm concerned it isnothing more than Starcraft with 3D graphics, but I'll still admit that it will sell like crazy because it's a Blizzard game.DJ_Lae

Coming from someone who played the beta, I can tell you its more then Starcraft with 3D graphics.

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]I have absolutely no interest in the game and as far as I'm concerned it isnothing more than Starcraft with 3D graphics, but I'll still admit that it will sell like crazy because it's a Blizzard game.MajorGamer531

Coming from someone who played the beta, I can tell you its more then Starcraft with 3D graphics.

The reality is that if you're not big on Starcraft, it doesnt sem like much has changed. If you're a big Starcraft player, even those subtle changes are huge due to their implications and efffects on strategy.

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[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]I have absolutely no interest in the game and as far as I'm concerned it isnothing more than Starcraft with 3D graphics, but I'll still admit that it will sell like crazy because it's a Blizzard game.XaosII

Coming from someone who played the beta, I can tell you its more then Starcraft with 3D graphics.

The reality is that if you're not big on Starcraft, it doesnt sem like much has changed. If you're a big Starcraft player, even those subtle changes are huge due to their implications and efffects on strategy.

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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

Coming from someone who played the beta, I can tell you its more then Starcraft with 3D graphics.

DJ_Lae

The reality is that if you're not big on Starcraft, it doesnt sem like much has changed. If you're a big Starcraft player, even those subtle changes are huge due to their implications and efffects on strategy.

The changes are bigger than that as well.

Units that scale terrain.

Units that fire a patterned AoE (quad legs back and forth lazers).

Abilities that speed up build times or warp units.

Units that spawn units.

And much more. The game has changed beyond tweaked stats and graphics. They have all new units and none of the old ones have even stayed the same.

The changes are bigger than that as well.

Units that scale terrain.

Units that fire a patterned AoE (quad legs back and forth lazers).

Abilities that speed up build times or warp units.

Units that spawn units.

And much more. The game has changed beyond tweaked stats and graphics. They have all new units and none of the old ones have even stayed the same.

MajorGamer531

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

The reality is that if you're not big on Starcraft, it doesnt sem like much has changed. If you're a big Starcraft player, even those subtle changes are huge due to their implications and efffects on strategy.

MajorGamer531

The changes are bigger than that as well.

Units that scale terrain.

Units that fire a patterned AoE (quad legs back and forth lazers).

Abilities that speed up build times or warp units.

Units that spawn units.

And much more. The game has changed beyond tweaked stats and graphics. They have all new units and none of the old ones have even stayed the same.

@ DJ_Lae, I understand that it may not seem anything new, I too thought the same despite being a big SC 1 player. But when you actually play the game, things are completely different. The change is so different that players who didn't like the original, love SC 2. It's made to be more accessible but still retains all of its depth. And most of all: its far more fun.:)

That kind of adds to my point, though - none of that means anything to me. I'd wager it means little to nothing to anyone else not huge into Starcraft, which is why you get comments from various people stating that the game hasn't really changed. In many ways those comments are ignorant (I don't deny my own ignorance with Starcraft to Starcraft 2 details).DJ_Lae

You cant say that the singleplayer hasnt changed though. If anything, its really pushing the entire genre forward in regards to RTS games. So its singleplayer is worth it alone. And if you're going to play it mostly for its multiplayer, then you'll be able to appreciate its differences.

The only reason not to get this game is if you dont really like RTS games in general, or maybe because the multiplayer is too competative.

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

The changes are bigger than that as well.

Units that scale terrain.

Units that fire a patterned AoE (quad legs back and forth lazers).

Abilities that speed up build times or warp units.

Units that spawn units.

And much more. The game has changed beyond tweaked stats and graphics. They have all new units and none of the old ones have even stayed the same.

DJ_Lae

To me that just says your not a fan of that style of RTS. I could just as easily say the difference between any Halo game, or the two Uncharted games, or Killzone games, or Gears of War, or God of War, or the many other console series have the same amount of change or less.

The only reason not to get this game is if you dont really like RTS games in general, or maybe because the multiplayer is too competative.

XaosII

To me that just says your not a fan of that style of RTS. I could just as easily say the difference between any Halo game, or the two Uncharted games, or Killzone games, or Gears of War, or God of War, or the many other console series have the same amount of change or less.

MajorGamer531

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To me that just says your not a fan of that style of RTS. I could just as easily say the difference between any Halo game, or the two Uncharted games, or Killzone games, or Gears of War, or God of War, or the many other console series have the same amount of change or less.

DJ_Lae

I think it may depend on the current population of South Korea. 8)

So saying a game won't sell well due to past history and the piracy rate for PC games means their bashing StarCraft 2's gameplay quality?

Wha?

So saying a game won't sell well due to past history and the piracy rate for PC games means their bashing StarCraft 2's gameplay quality?

Wha?

runekey

It means they don't know what they are talking about because SC2 will be difficult to pirate. And past history of starcraft is a 11 million units sold of Starcraft 1, in a time where gaming was nowhere near as mainstream.

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So saying a game won't sell well due to past history and the piracy rate for PC games means their bashing StarCraft 2's gameplay quality?

Wha?

MajorGamer531

It means they don't know what they are talking about because SC2will be difficult to pirate. And past history of starcraft is a 11 million units sold of Starcraft 1, in a time where gaming was nowhere near as mainstream.

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="runekey"]

So saying a game won't sell well due to past history and the piracy rate for PC games means their bashing StarCraft 2's gameplay quality?

Wha?

runekey

It means they don't know what they are talking about because SC2will be difficult to pirate. And past history of starcraft is a 11 million units sold of Starcraft 1, in a time where gaming was nowhere near as mainstream.

It will be very difficult to pirate. Authentication servers are required for everything.

[QUOTE="runekey"]

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

It means they don't know what they are talking about because SC2will be difficult to pirate. And past history of starcraft is a 11 million units sold of Starcraft 1, in a time where gaming was nowhere near as mainstream.

Tahnit

It will be very difficult to pirate. Authentication servers are required for everything.

Exactly, now stop posting shirtless images of yourself. Save that for your blog.

I just listend to it again and its even worse than i thought. Tom's entire attitude towards the game was negative. Even the way he spoke about it you can tell in his voice that he didnt want to be talking about it. There was one host who was trying to defend the game and Tom kept shooting him down.

Seriously Tom is the worst most console biased host on the hotspot. Absolutely disgusting and gamespot has lost all credibility from me.

i disagree with Gamespot

Can anyone tell me how many min:sec into the podcast they talk about StarCraft II?

Can anyone tell me how many min:sec into the podcast they talk about StarCraft II?

BobC

N/m found it.

Interesting.

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Can anyone tell me how many min:sec into the podcast they talk about StarCraft II?

BobC

N/m found it.

Interesting.

I remember you from the giantbomb forums. You are from blizzard correct? What do you think about all of this?

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Can anyone tell me how many min:sec into the podcast they talk about StarCraft II?

BobC

N/m found it.

Interesting.

You'll have to kick Gamespot's collective asses when they come online, Bob. It won't take twenty minutes xP.

[QUOTE="BobC"]

[QUOTE="BobC"]

Can anyone tell me how many min:sec into the podcast they talk about StarCraft II?

Sharpie125

N/m found it.

Interesting.

You'll have to kick Gamespot's collective asses when they come online, Bob. It won't take twenty minutes xP.

funny how they never showed up in this thread.

Also i found out some info about how well the game will probably sell.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/game-258845-blizzard-starcraft.html

also

http://www.focus.com/fyi/marketing/starcraft-economy/

[QUOTE="Tahnit"]

you cant pirate it. it requires authentication for single player and multiplayer. The authentication servers require a cd key and activation. It requires constant internet connection.

RobbySpry

You're talking about the original version. The cracked version will be different. ;) This is the very same kind of protection that C&C4 had that got cracked in a jiffy. It's all about finding and replacing the file(s) with the untouched authentication-data and replacing them with files that has already been activated and denying the computer access to the authenthication-servers.

still wont be able to play multiplayer.

still wont be able to play multiplayer.

Tahnit

Most likely. A visual upgrade and a few more units isn't worth 50 bucks to play online anyways.

I rate that troll a 2/10 for originality.

Dire_Weasel

That is quite offensive to say. As if a person needs to be a troll to consider SC2 too similar to SC.

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I rate that troll a 2/10 for originality.

RobbySpry

That is quite offensive to say. As if a person needs to be a troll to consider SC2 too similar to SC.

You say this with ignorance SC2 is a lot more different then SC than you think, but you dont actually try and do the research. Its the little things that have changed the game SO MUCH from the original. You have to play SC2 in a completely different way than sc1. You have to worry about stuff like walling off, height advantages, hard counters ect. Scouting is even more crucial in sc2 than it was in sc1. Units like marines that you only used in the beginning of a round in sc1 now have a place in sc2. In fact in sc2 they are a hard counter to one of the protoss air units!.

Also each race gets new abilities to help with economy/unit production. Terran get mules and supply drops. Zerg get the queen which functions as a defensive unit plus creep spreader PLUS can hatch eggs on a hatchery which leads to faster unit producing. Protoss have warpgates which let them almost instantly transport units to the playing field (with a cooldown) as well as temporance which lets the player choose what building process they want to speed up.

So to say that sc2 is just like sc1 with a few units and new graphics is very very ignorant.

heh...funny....i just called my gamestop this mornin to see how early to show up for the release....they said they had over 500 preorders and that they would be doin stuff at 10pm and they just had a shipment of 1000 copies show up.....and they are the small store in my town that is having 6 different gamestops doing midnight releases across town.....i think thats alot of popularity to me

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[QUOTE="RobbySpry"]

That is quite offensive to say. As if a person needs to be a troll to consider SC2 too similar to SC.

RobbySpry

You say this with ignorance SC2 is a lot more different then SC than you think, but you dont actually try and do the research. Its the little things that have changed the game SO MUCH from the original. You have to play SC2 in a completely different way than sc1. You have to worry about stuff like walling off, height advantages, hard counters ect. Scouting is even more crucial in sc2 than it was in sc1. Units like marines that you only used in the beginning of a round in sc1 now have a place in sc2. In fact in sc2 they are a hard counter to one of the protoss air units!.

Also each race gets new abilities to help with economy/unit production. Terran get mules and supply drops. Zerg get the queen which functions as a defensive unit plus creep spreader PLUS can hatch eggs on a hatchery which leads to faster unit producing. Protoss have warpgates which let them almost instantly transport units to the playing field (with a cooldown) as well as temporance which lets the player choose what building process they want to speed up.

So to say that sc2 is just like sc1 with a few units and new graphics is very very ignorant.

Wow. Walling off, height differences and hard counters. It's like a completely new game! Let's pay 50 bucks for those features! Yay! Nothing personal buddy, but you sound like a kid trying to squeeze out every little fact you can find about the game when telling mommy to try and get her to buy the game for you because you realize how pointless it actually is when the game is so similar to the one you already have. That entire post showed that you are the one who's ignorant. Granted, i don't know much about SC2 since i don't find it interesting enough to bother researching, because it's too similar to SC in the first place, for the third time. But i do know Blizzard and i do know how the market works. The game will not appeal to anyone who didn't like SC. It's entirely about cashing out the current professional fan-base once more. It doesn't matter what you ADD to a game. That alone doesn't make it different enough to call it a new experience nor to call it a new game, as i see it. SC2 is still a remake of SC which means that it's still entirely about e-sports. Adding a few details here and there like the ones you're talking about doesn't make it any less a copy of SC. It's still just an ambitious expansion-pack or a re-boot if you will and i ain't paying that much for one of those and if there wouldn't be such an obcessed e-sports fan-base there wouldn't be many others who would either. There wouldn't be any point with making a remake of SC since the ****c RTS genre barely ever interested the casual players, which is where the true gold is at, which Blizzard certainly knows after Creating WoW (being created from the ground-up to be user-friendly.) Blizzard knows that they don't have to change much since they know that the people who will be buying the game are the current SC fans, who don't want it to change.

I'm used to being the only one who grasps the whole picture while everyone else only yaps on about the actual technical differences so i can't blame you for misunderstanding.

you do realize the crazy paradox you have going in that line and in that entire post right?

you think Starcraft 2 looks too similar to Starcraft and because of that are unwilling to actually do any research on the game to actually find anything out?

your entire post is based on your own self-admited ignorance. You yourself have admited you know nothing about the game, and yet you still feel as though you can make judgements based off absolutly no exerience with the game.

They arent the ones misunderstanding...you are. They have actually played the game (or at the very least done some research on it, which is far more then can be said about you) you on the other hand are making things up based on absolutly ZERO experience.