BF 3 community manager to community "ungrateful people"

I would love to stick around in the forums. I actually enjoy reading the posts and also sending them around our office for feedback and sometimes for a laugh or two.
Some of the things that come out of this forum is just brilliant and I really do like the fact that we have a forum.

Right now, I am not in the mood to even browse in here and check out most parts of the forum.

The BETA is a privilege, not a right unless if you pre-ordered the game with MoH and Origin. We are not even obligated to send out a Beta yet we do because we want our players to experience the game. The vibe I´m getting now is just that tons of ungrateful people don´t understand how much work we are putting on this game, how many overtime hours we are doing and also how many meetings we are in to ship a game like this.
It´s not just a click and point type of development.

Would like to thank many of our forum users for returning with constructive and good feedback.

To the rest of you - grow up.

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Kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5845851/frustrated-battlefield-rep-unloads-on-ungrateful-community

lol even though I'm looking forward to BF3, You should listen to the gaming community feedback of what they don't like about the BETA; it will make your product much better. Are we supposed to keep our criticisms to ourselves even though there's flaws in your game?

Why is he telling us to gow up?Were just telling him there are problems with the game and he knocks us for it.Looks like hes the one that needs to grow up

lol even though I'm looking forward to BF3, You should listen to the gaming community feedback of what they don't like about the BETA; it will make your product much better. Are we supposed to keep our criticisms to ourselves even though there's flaws in your game?

D3s7rUc71oN

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lol even though I'm looking forward to BF3, You should listen to the gaming community feedback of what they don't like about the BETA; it will make your product much better. Are we supposed to keep our criticisms to ourselves even though there's flaws in your game?

JordanizPro

but apparently the beta is already a few months old, so we're not really getting the up to date one. I though the Uncharted 3 mp beta was horrible, but I still accept the fact that it's a beta (though, most of my complaints with it were gameplay additions that just seemed odd).

I didn't mind the BF3 beta for ps3 since I accepted it was a beta, on rush mode (conquest is the best), and had no vehicles. The graphics are probably better than in the beta since the size of the beta was really small, which was probably done to cut down on download time. Plus, those who've played the pc beta map are saying how great it is, which I'd imagine will also be included on the console version.

I think they're annoyed with people complaining it's copying COD, which it really isn't. I know on the GS forums a lot of people are whining rather than offering constructive criticism.

What developers need to recognize is that the consuming gamer makes them or breaks them.

If a vast majority gamers arent satisfied with a product, then the developer needs to recognize the constuctive criticism and make changes to their game for the better or else the game will fall face first.

Maybe if they didn't deliver a beta that's so bugged it's almost unplayable people would complain less. Seriously, if your beta is so messed up don't make it available to the public, you'll just lose customers. Quit blaming the players for what you did wrong. AmateursBlack_Knight_00

Its a beta not a demo. Maybe other betas don't have a s many bugs but the beta is for testing not marketing. Thats what betas have always been but they have changed over the years because some dev's actually put them out for marketing as demos and not for testing (Uncharted and gears). BF3 is a beta as it should be. buggy so the Dev's can elarn and change things. Also ultra and high aren't in the beta.

To all those people saying "its too close to release to change anything" the beta was already 3 weeks old upon release. It was ready a while ago but PSN and XBL were slow to get ready for it and therefore we all had to wait. It was then released in its current state as that was the version that was ready. They didn't change it or implement fixes because they are working on finishing the final game for retail which is a much better use of their time rather than trying to pelase frustrated kids. In one way I am glad its like this because it will weed out the weak and angry players so I won't have to deal with them when the final version hits.

But at the end of the day how many people will complain about it and say they're not buying it but will buy it when it comes out?

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Maybe if they didn't deliver a beta that's so bugged it's almost unplayable people would complain less. Seriously, if your beta is so messed up don't make it available to the public, you'll just lose customers. Quit blaming the players for what you did wrong. Amateursseanmcloughlin

Its a beta not a demo. Maybe other betas don't have a s many bugs but the beta is for testing not marketing. Thats what betas have always been but they have changed over the years because some dev's actually put them out for marketing as demos and not for testing (Uncharted and gears). BF3 is a beta as it should be. buggy so the Dev's can elarn and change things. Also ultra and high aren't in the beta.

To all those people saying "its too close to release to change anything" the beta was already 3 weeks old upon release. It was ready a while ago but PSN and XBL were slow to get ready for it and therefore we all had to wait. It was then released in its current state as that was the version that was ready. They didn't change it or implement fixes because they are working on finishing the final game for retail which is a much better use of their time rather than trying to pelase frustrated kids. In one way I am glad its like this because it will weed out the weak and angry players so I won't have to deal with them when the final version hits.

But at the end of the day how many people will complain about it and say they're not buying it but will buy it when it comes out?

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Maybe if they didn't deliver a beta that's so bugged it's almost unplayable people would complain less. Seriously, if your beta is so messed up don't make it available to the public, you'll just lose customers. Quit blaming the players for what you did wrong. AmateursElann2008

Its a beta not a demo. Maybe other betas don't have a s many bugs but the beta is for testing not marketing. Thats what betas have always been but they have changed over the years because some dev's actually put them out for marketing as demos and not for testing (Uncharted and gears). BF3 is a beta as it should be. buggy so the Dev's can elarn and change things. Also ultra and high aren't in the beta.

To all those people saying "its too close to release to change anything" the beta was already 3 weeks old upon release. It was ready a while ago but PSN and XBL were slow to get ready for it and therefore we all had to wait. It was then released in its current state as that was the version that was ready. They didn't change it or implement fixes because they are working on finishing the final game for retail which is a much better use of their time rather than trying to pelase frustrated kids. In one way I am glad its like this because it will weed out the weak and angry players so I won't have to deal with them when the final version hits.

But at the end of the day how many people will complain about it and say they're not buying it but will buy it when it comes out?

Of course he should have because he's a business man. He should elarn to control his emotions no matter how proud he is of the game or how different it might be from the beta. Its unprofessional. Im guessing frustration got the better of him.

Didn't Cliffy B. do the same with Gears? he got annoyed by comments and took a stab at gamers in an informal way over multiplayer. but I can't remember what the comment actually was

Now, granted, I haven't played the beta at all, since I'm waiting for the full game...

But if people do see problems with the beta and are reporting problems, then why the BS from the community manager? It's your job to take all these complaints, compile them, then show them to the bigwigs in your company so that they can immediatley fixed before the game can be released. What a f-ing moron!

Now, granted, I haven't played the beta at all, since I'm waiting for the full game...

But if people do see problems with the beta and are reporting problems, then why the BS from the community manager? It's your job to take all these complaints, compile them, then show them to the bigwigs in your company so that they can immediatley fixed before the game can be released. What a f-ing moron!

Metamania

Because people think the final game will be this way and they are refusing to buy it now

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

Now, granted, I haven't played the beta at all, since I'm waiting for the full game...

But if people do see problems with the beta and are reporting problems, then why the BS from the community manager? It's your job to take all these complaints, compile them, then show them to the bigwigs in your company so that they can immediatley fixed before the game can be released. What a f-ing moron!

seanmcloughlin

Because people think the final game will be this way and they are refusing to buy it now

Don't know what you mean or are saying, but it's not the people's fault whatsoever. All they've been saying is that they are unhappy with the result and demand change.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

Now, granted, I haven't played the beta at all, since I'm waiting for the full game...

But if people do see problems with the beta and are reporting problems, then why the BS from the community manager? It's your job to take all these complaints, compile them, then show them to the bigwigs in your company so that they can immediatley fixed before the game can be released. What a f-ing moron!

Metamania

Because people think the final game will be this way and they are refusing to buy it now

Don't know what you mean or are saying, but it's not the people's fault whatsoever. All they've been saying is that they are unhappy with the result and demand change.

The battlelog forums are filled with guys saying "DICE you have let us all down I want an explanation" and other things like this. "Piece of crap game, not going to buy" and very immature statements like these

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Because people think the final game will be this way and they are refusing to buy it now

seanmcloughlin

Don't know what you mean or are saying, but it's not the people's fault whatsoever. All they've been saying is that they are unhappy with the result and demand change.

The battlelog forums are filled with guys saying "DICE you have let us all down I want an explanation" and other things like this. "Piece of crap game, not going to buy" and very immature statements like these

I wouldn't call statements like those immature in the slightest. If gamers are not happy with the way things are, they have every right to demand it and hope for the best. And if it still doesn't happen, the voices still need to be heard. And plus, companies will eventually listen when the game isn't being sold that well if the game doesn't turn out to be good. Sales matter in the end and if BF3 doesn't sell because people didn't buy it; that's not the gamer's fault, that's the developer's fault.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

Don't know what you mean or are saying, but it's not the people's fault whatsoever. All they've been saying is that they are unhappy with the result and demand change.

Metamania

The battlelog forums are filled with guys saying "DICE you have let us all down I want an explanation" and other things like this. "Piece of crap game, not going to buy" and very immature statements like these

I wouldn't call statements like those immature in the slightest. If gamers are not happy with the way things are, they have every right to demand it and hope for the best. And if it still doesn't happen, the voices still need to be heard. And plus, companies will eventually listen when the game isn't being sold that well if the game doesn't turn out to be good. Sales matter in the end and if BF3 doesn't sell because people didn't buy it; that's not the gamer's fault, that's the developer's fault.

But to say you are not buying it based off the glistches in the beta is silly. The fact that they will be removed (hopefully) in the final version should settle your feelings. Never judge a game based off a beta. A demo maybe but never a beta

"the beta is a privilege, not a right," LOL, it's free game testing for the developers and a form of advertising as well.

Whatever, I'm not the least bit interested in it anyway.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Maybe if they didn't deliver a beta that's so bugged it's almost unplayable people would complain less. Seriously, if your beta is so messed up don't make it available to the public, you'll just lose customers. Quit blaming the players for what you did wrong. Amateursseanmcloughlin

Its a beta not a demo. Maybe other betas don't have a s many bugs but the beta is for testing not marketing. Thats what betas have always been but they have changed over the years because some dev's actually put them out for marketing as demos and not for testing (Uncharted and gears). BF3 is a beta as it should be. buggy so the Dev's can elarn and change things. Also ultra and high aren't in the beta.

To all those people saying "its too close to release to change anything" the beta was already 3 weeks old upon release. It was ready a while ago but PSN and XBL were slow to get ready for it and therefore we all had to wait. It was then released in its current state as that was the version that was ready. They didn't change it or implement fixes because they are working on finishing the final game for retail which is a much better use of their time rather than trying to pelase frustrated kids. In one way I am glad its like this because it will weed out the weak and angry players so I won't have to deal with them when the final version hits.

But at the end of the day how many people will complain about it and say they're not buying it but will buy it when it comes out?

lol BS. This guy is a total idiot if he really believes that.

Don't even tell me the beta doesn't help EA by getting marketing attention out there, and players finding bugs their testers could find (not to mention server stress-testing).

This guy needs a healthy dose of umadbro and the waaaahhhbulance.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

Don't know what you mean or are saying, but it's not the people's fault whatsoever. All they've been saying is that they are unhappy with the result and demand change.

Metamania

The battlelog forums are filled with guys saying "DICE you have let us all down I want an explanation" and other things like this. "Piece of crap game, not going to buy" and very immature statements like these

I wouldn't call statements like those immature in the slightest. If gamers are not happy with the way things are, they have every right to demand it and hope for the best. And if it still doesn't happen, the voices still need to be heard. And plus, companies will eventually listen when the game isn't being sold that well if the game doesn't turn out to be good. Sales matter in the end and if BF3 doesn't sell because people didn't buy it; that's not the gamer's fault, that's the developer's fault.

^^This.

The excuse that the Battlefield 3 beta is supposed to be a buggy, unplayable mess because it's a "beta" is a tragically lame excuse for a huge mistake on DICE's part to release a sup-par Beta so close to release.

Furthermore, the community manager's frustration and comments towards his customers were completely out of hand and unessecary. This is a competitive industry, buddy, and in this ultra-tight economy, gamers are going to rightly judge anything you put in front of them a month before release as a signifigant representation of the final product. Shame on DICE for not firing that guy immediately.

If you can't take the heat, get a job at a Flower Shop, pal.

Maybe if they didn't deliver a beta that's so bugged it's almost unplayable people would complain less. Seriously, if your beta is so messed up don't make it available to the public, you'll just lose customers. Quit blaming the players for what you did wrong. AmateursBlack_Knight_00

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Maybe if they didn't deliver a beta that's so bugged it's almost unplayable people would complain less. Seriously, if your beta is so messed up don't make it available to the public, you'll just lose customers. Quit blaming the players for what you did wrong. Amateurswizdom

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Maybe if they didn't deliver a beta that's so bugged it's almost unplayable people would complain less. Seriously, if your beta is so messed up don't make it available to the public, you'll just lose customers. Quit blaming the players for what you did wrong. AmateursBlack_Knight_00

Its a beta not a demo. Maybe other betas don't have a s many bugs but the beta is for testing not marketing. Thats what betas have always been but they have changed over the years because some dev's actually put them out for marketing as demos and not for testing (Uncharted and gears). BF3 is a beta as it should be. buggy so the Dev's can elarn and change things. Also ultra and high aren't in the beta.

To all those people saying "its too close to release to change anything" the beta was already 3 weeks old upon release. It was ready a while ago but PSN and XBL were slow to get ready for it and therefore we all had to wait. It was then released in its current state as that was the version that was ready. They didn't change it or implement fixes because they are working on finishing the final game for retail which is a much better use of their time rather than trying to pelase frustrated kids. In one way I am glad its like this because it will weed out the weak and angry players so I won't have to deal with them when the final version hits.

But at the end of the day how many people will complain about it and say they're not buying it but will buy it when it comes out?

should play it on pc bro...its got its bugs...most of them are all because of ea and not dice...and origin is b*******...but the game is actually playable...and the glitches i see are mostly graphical...and on occassion i see people in the ground...but thats few and far in between...but u know...im still gettin the game and expect it to be better on release...not to mention they can patch things after they come out...not that hard...

BF3 is a unfinished/unpolished product and a money grab on consoles by EA/Dice. There is no way this unpolished turd will be fixed in time.

Money grab:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoEaPjMJzqc&feature=channel_video_title

Wow, this thread is a perfect example of 'ungrateful people'. Here we have people calling this game an unplayable mess for some minor graphical glitches. Here we have people complaining about a beta not having vehicles as if this free demo/beta is something they are entitlted to.

You're not.

The beta might have some hit detection issues, but other than that it runs smooth with barely any slowdowns or connection problems. I have had ZERO problems finding matches, joining friends, have not been disconnected even once on both PS3 and PC versions of the game. EVERY multiplayer game I've played this gen has had these problems in their full retail release, let alone the beta. The last two COD games released with 5 patches in the first five days. So when i see people calling this game buggy and unplayable then I have to ask wtf are you smoking?

The game might not play like you want it to play like but that doesn't mean it's unplayable due to glitches. It's just that DICE designed the game that way, and you either learn how to play that way or move on to a different game. Let DICE make the game they want to make, stop b****ing, stop moaning, you have NO RIGHT to tell an artist what and how he should create his vision. I dont understand why everyone thinks they should have a say in the game. You are just a f***ing customer, if you dont like the game, dont buy it. Simple as that. Hell, you didn't pay a single cent for this beta so you shouldn't be complaining at all. Provide some constructive feedback like the CM said or move the f*** on. The CM owes you nothing because you are not his customer yet, you are just a potential customer. And even then, you have the right to complain if you experience connection issues, are getting stuck in glitches, etc. Otherwise the community manager has every right to tell you to f*** off because this is an intellectual property, you cant ask for a refund for a book you didn't like or go to Steven Spielberg and b*** about how Indiana Jones sucked and expect him to make it all better. Seriously gamers nowadays are getting spoiled by the minute. For the record, you are more than welcome to critique the game here on Gamespot forums and SHOULD be able to b*** and moan about stuff you dont like in the game, but expecting DICE to do something about it is flat out ridiculous.

B***ing about a free demo not having vehicles is mother f***ing hilarious because the full retail version is OBVIOUSLY going to have vehicles. It's ungrateful because Battlefield is the only series that allows you to pilot Jets, Choppers, Tanks, Jeeps and other ground vehicles, no other shooter in the market allows you to fully control each vehicle all the while being a fantastic FPS. Warhawk is the only other game I can think of and it had an automatic shooting mechanic. So yes, it IS ungrateful to b*** about pointless things like this.

A beta by definition is supposed to iron out any connection issues or glaring glitches. That's why they are called betas. If you are basing your opinion of the game on a single map, a single mode, with NO vehicles then I dont know have to tell you that you're wrong in doing so, because you already know. You just like complaining and putting a game down just like the rest of the ungrateful posters over at the official forums.

And all this coming from a guy who did not like the beta, was not impressed with the visuals and had issues with hit detection. But I am mature enough to know that I cant expect DICE to make the game play the way I want it to play, that the reason why the visuals arent spectecular is that it's an older build and just a beta, and that hit detection issues are inherent in ALL online shooters including BFBC2, COD, Uncharted and KZ. Oh and it's because it's just a beta.

Garbage hit detection BF3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGaP5wTYLtQ

the developer needs to recognize the constuctive criticism

ristactionjakso

Ha ha. Yes, I am sure they have only had constructive criticism.

Also S0lidSnake whilst I agree that people are complaining far too much about a beta you must have had a very different experience to me. Falling through the map and having to suicide is not a 'minor graphical glitch' Also when I played the beta I kept my task manager open at all times because it froze probably 1/5 of the time. Once again I do not begrudge them that stuff, I recognise it is a beta. However they must surely realise that when the game is a month from release these issues are going to make a lot of gamers concerned about the quality of the final release.

The game might not play like you want it to play like but that doesn't mean it's unplayable due to glitches. It's just that DICE designed the game that way, and you either learn how to play that way or move on to a different game. Let DICE make the game they want to make, stop b****ing, stop moaning, you have NO RIGHT to tell an artist what and how he should create his vision. I dont understand why everyone thinks they should have a say in the game. You are just a f***ing customer, if you dont like the game, dont buy it. Simple as that. Hell, you didn't pay a single cent for this beta so you shouldn't be complaining at all. Provide some constructive feedback like the CM said or move the f*** on. The CM owes you nothing because you are not his customer yet, you are just a potential customer. And even then, you have the right to complain if you experience connection issues, are getting stuck in glitches, etc. Otherwise the community manager has every right to tell you to f*** off because this is an intellectual property, you cant ask for a refund for a book you didn't like or go to Steven Spielberg and b*** about how Indiana Jones sucked and expect him to make it all better. Seriously gamers nowadays are getting spoiled by the minute. For the record, you are more than welcome to critique the game here on Gamespot forums and SHOULD be able to b*** and moan about stuff you dont like in the game, but expecting DICE to do something about it is flat out ridiculous.S0lidSnake

They presented us with a piece of crap and expected us to adore it in awe just because it's free to download for a few days. It doesn't work like that.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]The game might not play like you want it to play like but that doesn't mean it's unplayable due to glitches. It's just that DICE designed the game that way, and you either learn how to play that way or move on to a different game. Let DICE make the game they want to make, stop b****ing, stop moaning, you have NO RIGHT to tell an artist what and how he should create his vision. I dont understand why everyone thinks they should have a say in the game. You are just a f***ing customer, if you dont like the game, dont buy it. Simple as that. Hell, you didn't pay a single cent for this beta so you shouldn't be complaining at all. Provide some constructive feedback like the CM said or move the f*** on. The CM owes you nothing because you are not his customer yet, you are just a potential customer. And even then, you have the right to complain if you experience connection issues, are getting stuck in glitches, etc. Otherwise the community manager has every right to tell you to f*** off because this is an intellectual property, you cant ask for a refund for a book you didn't like or go to Steven Spielberg and b*** about how Indiana Jones sucked and expect him to make it all better. Seriously gamers nowadays are getting spoiled by the minute. For the record, you are more than welcome to critique the game here on Gamespot forums and SHOULD be able to b*** and moan about stuff you dont like in the game, but expecting DICE to do something about it is flat out ridiculous.Black_Knight_00

They presented us with a piece of crap and expected us to adore it in awe just because it's free to download for a few days. It doesn't work like that.

It's partly to you, but mostly to the people who expect something polished in a beta. I'm sorry you've had those issues, I haven't and I've played on PS3 and PC, but no theey expected you to take it as a beta and didnt expect you to adore it. Before you could connect to EA's servers, they had you accept the Terms and it explicitly states that it's an unfinished product.

But it's not even about that. My point is that DICE doesn't owe you anything. You are free to criticze it here, but saying the Community Manger was out of line when he called out the a-hole complainers is somehow wrong, well that's something I disagree with. He clrealy states that they respect constructive criticism and that many on that forum have voiced their concerns in a respectful manner. His problem is with the people who exagerrate everything and expect Dice to patch in vehicles because they said so in CAPS.

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

the developer needs to recognize the constuctive criticism

eBentl

Ha ha. Yes, I am sure they have only had constructive criticism.

Also S0lidSnake whilst I agree that people are complaining far too much about a beta you must have had a very different experience to me. Falling through the map and having to suicide is not a 'minor graphical glitch' Also when I played the beta I kept my task manager open at all times because it froze probably 1/5 of the time. Once again I do not begrudge them that stuff, I recognise it is a beta. However they must surely realise that when the game is a month from release these issues are going to make a lot of gamers concerned about the quality of the final release.

May I ask how many times you've fallen through the map? I have played the beta for around 5 hours now, split between PS3 and PC and haven't experienced any such glitches. I'm not saying you are making it up, but Im geniunely cuirous to know how often it is. I am currently typing from my browser while the game is running in the background on their browser plugin (which btw is an awesome addition)

As for DICE releasing something with his many issues this close to the game's release, well that's something I can agree with. I mentioned in another thread that Bad Company 2 was released back in March last year. Which gives DICE barely a year and half to develop BC3. Over the years, I've seen that anything that takes less than 2 years to develop is usually not terribly polished. What makes matter worse for DICE is that they developed MoH's multiplayer which they got done with in October. That leaves barely a year to focus on Battlefield 3 and well it's clearly not enough.

I decided after playing the beta that I wont be there Day 1. I will wait for them to patch up the game, but what I truly despise is players feeling like they are owed something when they are clearly not. If the game comes out and you are still falling through the map and getting the game frozen, well by all means complain away. But right now it's just a beta, and let's be honest, the official forums are complaining about more than just map glitches and PC freezes. THey want this to be a completely different game.

Its a beta not a demo.seanmcloughlin

Given that it appeared less than a month before its official release, no -- it's totally a demo. They're just doing what every other shooter developer this generation has been doing and putting the beta tag on any sort of trial for their multiplayer component to justify whatever jankiness may be present. It's a buzzword now. If this beta appeared, say, three or four months prior to the game's release, sure -- no problem. It's totally a beta then. But when it arrives this late, I don't consider it a beta anymore.

The whole purpose for betas is to get feedback prior to release so they can make the full game even better. With only weeks to go until the game hits retail, there's very little they can gain from a beta that they wouldn't be able to obtain just from observing statistics and such from the finalized game. They can say all they want about this build being six weeks old or whatever -- that doesn't change the fact that this is a demo, because all it's here for is to give everyone a quick peak at the multiplayer, not gain feedback to help them craft their game. And when your demo has graphical glitches aplenty and some frequent connection issues, that doesn't reflect well on the full game.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]The game might not play like you want it to play like but that doesn't mean it's unplayable due to glitches. It's just that DICE designed the game that way, and you either learn how to play that way or move on to a different game. Let DICE make the game they want to make, stop b****ing, stop moaning, you have NO RIGHT to tell an artist what and how he should create his vision. I dont understand why everyone thinks they should have a say in the game. You are just a f***ing customer, if you dont like the game, dont buy it. Simple as that. Hell, you didn't pay a single cent for this beta so you shouldn't be complaining at all. Provide some constructive feedback like the CM said or move the f*** on. The CM owes you nothing because you are not his customer yet, you are just a potential customer. And even then, you have the right to complain if you experience connection issues, are getting stuck in glitches, etc. Otherwise the community manager has every right to tell you to f*** off because this is an intellectual property, you cant ask for a refund for a book you didn't like or go to Steven Spielberg and b*** about how Indiana Jones sucked and expect him to make it all better. Seriously gamers nowadays are getting spoiled by the minute. For the record, you are more than welcome to critique the game here on Gamespot forums and SHOULD be able to b*** and moan about stuff you dont like in the game, but expecting DICE to do something about it is flat out ridiculous.S0lidSnake

They presented us with a piece of crap and expected us to adore it in awe just because it's free to download for a few days. It doesn't work like that.

It's partly to you, but mostly to the people who expect something polished in a beta. I'm sorry you've had those issues, I haven't and I've played on PS3 and PC, but no theey expected you to take it as a beta and didnt expect you to adore it. Before you could connect to EA's servers, they had you accept the Terms and it explicitly states that it's an unfinished product.

But it's not even about that. My point is that DICE doesn't owe you anything. You are free to criticze it here, but saying the Community Manger was out of line when he called out the a-hole complainers is somehow wrong, well that's something I disagree with. He clrealy states that they respect constructive criticism and that many on that forum have voiced their concerns in a respectful manner. His problem is with the people who exagerrate everything and expect Dice to patch in vehicles because they said so in CAPS.

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the developer needs to recognize the constuctive criticism

S0lidSnake

Ha ha. Yes, I am sure they have only had constructive criticism.

Also S0lidSnake whilst I agree that people are complaining far too much about a beta you must have had a very different experience to me. Falling through the map and having to suicide is not a 'minor graphical glitch' Also when I played the beta I kept my task manager open at all times because it froze probably 1/5 of the time. Once again I do not begrudge them that stuff, I recognise it is a beta. However they must surely realise that when the game is a month from release these issues are going to make a lot of gamers concerned about the quality of the final release.

May I ask how many times you've fallen through the map? I have played the beta for around 5 hours now, split between PS3 and PC and haven't experienced any such glitches. I'm not saying you are making it up, but Im geniunely cuirous to know how often it is. I am currently typing from my browser while the game is running in the background on their browser plugin (which btw is an awesome addition)

As for DICE releasing something with his many issues this close to the game's release, well that's something I can agree with. I mentioned in another thread that Bad Company 2 was released back in March last year. Which gives DICE barely a year and half to develop BC3. Over the years, I've seen that anything that takes less than 2 years to develop is usually not terribly polished. What makes matter worse for DICE is that they developed MoH's multiplayer which they got done with in October. That leaves barely a year to focus on Battlefield 3 and well it's clearly not enough.

I decided after playing the beta that I wont be there Day 1. I will wait for them to patch up the game, but what I truly despise is players feeling like they are owed something when they are clearly not. If the game comes out and you are still falling through the map and getting the game frozen, well by all means complain away. But right now it's just a beta, and let's be honest, the official forums are complaining about more than just map glitches and PC freezes. THey want this to be a completely different game.

Couldn't give you an exact number but I have probably fallen through the map about 20 times maybe, mostly happened when you went prove near the first objective A and other parts of the first section, though I think they may have fixed it. Just to confirm I do agree with you that people have been complaining far too much and I recognise that it isn't the final product, was just pointing out that it isn't all for no good reason :D

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Its a beta not a demo.c_rake

Given that it appeared less than a month before its official release, no -- it's totally a demo. They're just doing what every other shooter developer this generation has been doing and putting the beta tag on any sort of trial for their multiplayer component to justify whatever jankiness may be present. It's a buzzword now. If this beta appeared, say, three or four months prior to the game's release, sure -- no problem. It's totally a beta then. But when it arrives this late, I don't consider it a beta anymore.

The whole purpose for betas is to get feedback prior to release so they can make the full game even better. With only weeks to go until the game hits retail, there's very little they can gain from a beta that they wouldn't be able to obtain just from observing statistics and such from the finalized game. They can say all they want about this build being six weeks old or whatever -- that doesn't change the fact that this is a demo, because all it's here for is to give everyone a quick peak at the multiplayer, not gain feedback to help them craft their game. And when your demo has graphical glitches aplenty and some frequent connection issues, that doesn't reflect well on the full game.

You would think they would iron out the obvious glitches before they release a Betablangenakker

That's what the beta is their for, to expose problems so they can be addressed, though considering how late it is I imagine the fixes will probably come as a day one patch

I agree. It's interesting that I read your post and I thought.. So this beta we're all playing is an older build. And they have a "newer" build of BF3. Shouldn't we...be playing that one? So I'm guessing this beta is about battlelog, connection and network issues, and balancing? It was never about the other stuff? I don't get it. Why aren't we playing this newer build so they could polish it up even further with our feedback? I'm sorry if I don't understand how betas really work. I'm learning.Elann2008

I would think the build we should have gotten would be a near-finalized one; most of the kinks worked out, but still not quite... done. For a beta, an older build is really only acceptable when the game is still in active development, since then they can make adjustments on the fly. Once the game's gone gold (which I assume it has, by now), there isn't much use for a beta other than to test server reliability. But then, they could just do that with a proper demo, anyway, so the beta tag is pretty much moot at this point.

I don't how quickly they could publish a newer build when they, I think, go through the certification process on console. That would undoubtedly hold it back. So that probably isn't a viable option for them.

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Its a beta not a demo.Elann2008

Given that it appeared less than a month before its official release, no -- it's totally a demo. They're just doing what every other shooter developer this generation has been doing and putting the beta tag on any sort of trial for their multiplayer component to justify whatever jankiness may be present. It's a buzzword now. If this beta appeared, say, three or four months prior to the game's release, sure -- no problem. It's totally a beta then. But when it arrives this late, I don't consider it a beta anymore.

The whole purpose for betas is to get feedback prior to release so they can make the full game even better. With only weeks to go until the game hits retail, there's very little they can gain from a beta that they wouldn't be able to obtain just from observing statistics and such from the finalized game. They can say all they want about this build being six weeks old or whatever -- that doesn't change the fact that this is a demo, because all it's here for is to give everyone a quick peak at the multiplayer, not gain feedback to help them craft their game. And when your demo has graphical glitches aplenty and some frequent connection issues, that doesn't reflect well on the full game.

This particular beta was in 'Alpha' testing back in August when very few people got in. It makes sense that they would now demo the beta version of that build.

But I agree that this is a demo for most people, and it's a poor demo at that. Nothing turns off people more than glitches.

I hope you're not directing it to me either because I made it clear that we should provide DICE with constructive criticism, feedback, and report all bugs, glitches, performance issues, connection problems, and other glaring problems. That's what a BETA is for. They want our feedback but I'm sure they don't want us to cry like babies. I understand that. Elann2008

ANd the Comminity Member also made it clear that he doesn;t believe YOU are one of the ingrateful ones. My post and the CM's post was directed at people exaggerating everything wrong about the beta and calling it a piece of crap and unplayable. I have played a lot of s*** games in my life, and if people think the BF3 beta is a piece of s*** then I dont know what they would think of all the other turds out there. And there are many.

Some of the posters over at Official forums are guys who will never be happy. I've seen it with almost every mutliplayer game this gen. Uncharted, Reach, KZ, MAG, BFBC2 all had posters complaining about the game making them out to be the worst game they've ever played. I remember the s***storm when Reach mutliplayer beta came out, people freaked out and wanted it to play like Halo 3. Why should every game play the same? WHy should BF3 play the same as BFBC2? Uncharted and KZ devs made so many changes to their multiplayer by listening to the complainers that they actually ended up breaking their own game. THey became an unbalanced mess andthe devs needed quite a few patches to sort everything out. My point is let these guys make their game, constant complaining about the way the game should play usually ends up confusing the devs some more. (I have no issues with people reporting glitches and other bugs)

Building a working copy of a game that is still in production takes time and takes away resources from development. Would you rather they create a new demo out of the latest build or have them work on polishing that latest build? That's the reason why devs usually just develop one or working code/preview for E3 and then show the same demo as the approach the release date.

This particular beta was in 'Alpha' testing back in August when very few people got in. It makes sense that they would now demo the beta version of that build.

But I agree that this is a demo for most people, and it's a poor demo at that. Nothing turns off people more than glitches.

S0lidSnake

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]I hope you're not directing it to me either because I made it clear that we should provide DICE with constructive criticism, feedback, and report all bugs, glitches, performance issues, connection problems, and other glaring problems. That's what a BETA is for. They want our feedback but I'm sure they don't want us to cry like babies. I understand that. S0lidSnake

ANd the Comminity Member also made it clear that he doesn;t believe YOU are one of the ingrateful ones. My post and the CM's post was directed at people exaggerating everything wrong about the beta and calling it a piece of crap and unplayable. I have played a lot of s*** games in my life, and if people think the BF3 beta is a piece of s*** then I dont know what they would think of all the other turds out there. And there are many.

Some of the posters over at Official forums are guys who will never be happy. I've seen it with almost every mutliplayer game this gen. Uncharted, Reach, KZ, MAG, BFBC2 all had posters complaining about the game making them out to be the worst game they've ever played. I remember the s***storm when Reach mutliplayer beta came out, people freaked out and wanted it to play like Halo 3. Why should every game play the same? WHy should BF3 play the same as BFBC2? Uncharted and KZ devs made so many changes to their multiplayer by listening to the complainers that they actually ended up breaking their own game. THey became an unbalanced mess andthe devs needed quite a few patches to sort everything out. My point is let these guys make their game, constant complaining about the way the game should play usually ends up confusing the devs some more. (I have no issues with people reporting glitches and other bugs)

I hear ya. Not only is it frustrating to hear all those ungrateful people complain about every little thing, it must be heart-wrenching as well. Here's a good developer actually pouring their heart and soul into this game.

BF3 has always been in the bag for me. Pre-ordered once it was up on the marketplace. I have the utmost confidence now that DICE will pull through.

It's partly to you, but mostly to the people who expect something polished in a beta. I'm sorry you've had those issues, I haven't and I've played on PS3 and PC, but no theey expected you to take it as a beta and didnt expect you to adore it. Before you could connect to EA's servers, they had you accept the Terms and it explicitly states that it's an unfinished product.

But it's not even about that. My point is that DICE doesn't owe you anything. You are free to criticze it here, but saying the Community Manger was out of line when he called out the a-hole complainers is somehow wrong, well that's something I disagree with. He clrealy states that they respect constructive criticism and that many on that forum have voiced their concerns in a respectful manner. His problem is with the people who exagerrate everything and expect Dice to patch in vehicles because they said so in CAPS.

S0lidSnake

I can empathize with the community manager's complaint and I agree that people shouldn't really feel free to make requests over a free beta, but no one can deny them the right to say "Thanks for the freebie, but this is terrible". It's a legitimate reaction. After all, complaints are the motor of improvement.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]I hope you're not directing it to me either because I made it clear that we should provide DICE with constructive criticism, feedback, and report all bugs, glitches, performance issues, connection problems, and other glaring problems. That's what a BETA is for. They want our feedback but I'm sure they don't want us to cry like babies. I understand that. S0lidSnake

ANd the Comminity Member also made it clear that he doesn;t believe YOU are one of the ingrateful ones. My post and the CM's post was directed at people exaggerating everything wrong about the beta and calling it a piece of crap and unplayable. I have played a lot of s*** games in my life, and if people think the BF3 beta is a piece of s*** then I dont know what they would think of all the other turds out there. And there are many.

Some of the posters over at Official forums are guys who will never be happy. I've seen it with almost every mutliplayer game this gen. Uncharted, Reach, KZ, MAG, BFBC2 all had posters complaining about the game making them out to be the worst game they've ever played. I remember the s***storm when Reach mutliplayer beta came out, people freaked out and wanted it to play like Halo 3. Why should every game play the same? WHy should BF3 play the same as BFBC2? Uncharted and KZ devs made so many changes to their multiplayer by listening to the complainers that they actually ended up breaking their own game. THey became an unbalanced mess andthe devs needed quite a few patches to sort everything out. My point is let these guys make their game, constant complaining about the way the game should play usually ends up confusing the devs some more. (I have no issues with people reporting glitches and other bugs)

When an online game breaks, its the fault of the developers, not 'complainers'. Some developers just lack a strong vision of what their game should be online (the primary reason many games boast online is not because the designers hearts are in it, but because convinces people to buy and not rent and keeps games out of used bins), and thus wind up designing (and redesigning) by committee. Often their game winds up an unhappy mix of whatever their original vision was and Call of Duty.

The Battlefield developers are openly gunning for CoD, so no one should be shocked and horrified when people beat it up for deviating from the CoD formula.

Battlefield 3 lost 34k preorders

http://www.thetechgame.com/Forums/t=2289296/ouch-battlefield-3-lost-34k-preorders-numbers-rising.html

What did I tell you?

Sales is what matters and DICE has to listen to the people through sales. It's their loss, not ours. Idiots! The only one ungrateful is the CM himself!

What did I tell you?

Sales is what matters and DICE has to listen to the people through sales. It's their loss, not ours. Idiots! The only one ungrateful is the CM himself!

Metamania