Can anyone honestly justify The Order 1886 being worth $60?

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#1  Edited By HipHopBeats
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Just asking because I feel we should not encourage devs to sell hyped games with not much gameplay. Every LP vid I've seen of this game is nothing but a tech demo, engine showcase presented as an interactive movie with a cliffhanger ending. Looks to be zero replay value in this game as if it's made for trophy whores looking to level up.

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#2  Edited By MrGeezer
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@HipHopBeats said:

Just asking because I feel we should not encourage devs to sell hyped games with not much gameplay. Every LP vid I've seen of this game is nothing but a tech demo, engine showcase presented as an interactive movie with a cliffhanger ending. Looks to be zero replay value in this game as if it's made for trophy whores looking to level up.

It'd be worth $60 to me if I had enough money that $60 literally means nothing to me. But then, I was never really interested in the game in the first place.

But anyway, no one has to defend the game being worth $60 to THEM. It's their freaking money, they can do with it what they will. And they're the ones getting enjoyment out of it. Their enjoyment is relevant only to them, not me or you or anyone else. And besides, it's not like people don't spend just as much money on equally stupid shit. It's not entirely uncommon for someone to spend $100 on a shitty piece of art and then throw it into the attic/basement never to be seen again. I've bought junk before and I'll do it again, so I'm not the one to throw stones. I suspect that most of the people here occasionally spend money on junk too. And if not, then congratulations on being more responsible with your money than I am. But my point stands...there's nothing to defend or justify here. The overall worth of X dollars is not something that everyone will agree on, and the value that is given by X product is not something that everyone will agree with. if you think that X product is worth X dollars, then buy it. And you don't have to justify that to ANYONE (at least in principle...you'd probably damn well have to justify spending $1500 on a new gaming PC if you couldn't afford to put food on your family's table).

However, that's not to say that MOST PEOPLE won't think that a certain product isn't worth the asking price. And if that's the case, that MOST PEOPLE aren't willing to pay that price, then whoever is selling that product potentially has a big fucking problem. Saying "this game is worth $60 to ME" most certainly does not eliminate the possibility that CHARGING $60 for that game is a bad freaking business decision. If that ends up being the case, then no amount of "well, it was worth the price to ME" is gonna change the fact that consumers IN GENERAL most certainly DON'T think the product was worth the money.

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#3 MethodManFTW
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The value of a dollar is different to everyone. I don't make all that much money but sixty dollars is not a lot to me. I was totally fine with paying full price for The Order.

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You've never blown 60 dollars in one night?

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#5 joe_b1_kenobi
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I don't usually buy games at full retail anyway (although I did just make an exception for dying light). Games from last fall are already going for much cheaper than when they were first released. For me personally though, the order would have to drop to $20 for me to pick it up. Its not that I couldn't afford it, just more the principle of not spending $60 on something I can blow through in an afternoon. Its like spending the same amount of money on a movie or two. If there was somewhere I could rent it then id definitely do that.

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#6 Bigboi500
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Nope.

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#7  Edited By fhx1205
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I think the game does't worth $60, but I spent $30 on Ground Zeroes. ;)

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I rented The Order: 1886 and I was right that the game was not worth $60 at all. For starters, Ready at Dawn had 5 years development and all that money was wasted on trying to make the game raw graphic over gameplay. Ready at Dawn was misleading the game from the start, the game was supposed to be fighting more Werewolf's, less Humans, not the other way around. The game had a broken A.I, it was very very liner then let's say The Last of Us or Uncharted cause those 2 games offer more freedom to explore but 1886 didn't. Combat was dull, has the poorest stealth mission I ever seen meaning if you get spotted, you'll die admittedly. No replay value. No MP or co-op, and most of all, too damn many QTE and some felt out of place. Honestly they know this game should have been $30-40 which I wouldn't mind paying within that range but asking for $60 is way to much for this type of game and The Order: 1886 should've been an Indie game for $30.

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#9 pook99
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For me, no game is worth $60, but everyone has their own price to value ratio.

If the order was a great game but still the same length(6-8 hours) would you feel it is worth $60?

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#10  Edited By Archangel3371
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They don't have to justify it at all. If they felt that it was worth it to them then that's all that matters.

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#11 Macutchi
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@pook99 said:

For me, no game is worth $60, but everyone has their own price to value ratio.

i'd pay $60 for a game (max) but new next gen console games are more expensive here in the uk at around £50-£55 which is about $75-80. that's where i draw the line.

the general consensus between my mates who've picked it up is it's worth around £30 tops. i'd take a punt on it at that price but not at £50. the majority of my gaming friends / work mates, myself included, don't buy games at launch any more because of the £10-15 increase on last gen prices. there's definitely a feeling over here in england from gamers that new console games are now priced beyond their worth

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not any sane person

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#13 ShepardCommandr
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Hell no,not even if you are a billionaire.

Resident evil revelations 2,a $25 game has 100x-1000x the content.(depending on how much RAID you want to do)

at best this game is worth $1.99

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#14 SoNin360
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I don't think games are ever going to be priced based on how long they are...

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#15  Edited By HipHopBeats
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@pook99 said:

For me, no game is worth $60, but everyone has their own price to value ratio.

If the order was a great game but still the same length(6-8 hours) would you feel it is worth $60?

No 6-8 hour game is worth $60 imo, no matter how good it is. It would take a game like The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 for me to consider paying $60 plus tax.

Many feel $60 is nothing which may be true, depending on circumstances. But encouraging devs to keep pumping out these half assed games for full retail price is crap. Graphics alone do not make a good game.

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#16  Edited By HipHopBeats
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@Heirren said:

You've never blown 60 dollars in one night?

Of course, but I was actually engaged in activity and not watching QTE cutscenes from the sidelines.

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@HipHopBeats said:

Just asking because I feel we should not encourage devs to sell hyped games with not much gameplay. Every LP vid I've seen of this game is nothing but a tech demo, engine showcase presented as an interactive movie with a cliffhanger ending. Looks to be zero replay value in this game as if it's made for trophy whores looking to level up.

Where were people when Ryse came out ?

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#18 Telekill
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Every day I see threads that ask if x game worth $60? 40? $5?

The answer is yes AND no for every game at every price. I personally don't think some games are worth $5, but someone else probably really enjoyed those. It's no skin off my nose if someone enjoys what I consider a lackluster game.

I'm sick of entitled gamers and frankly it's a dumb question for anyone to ask.

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#19  Edited By Archangel3371
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@The_Last_Ride said:

@HipHopBeats said:

Just asking because I feel we should not encourage devs to sell hyped games with not much gameplay. Every LP vid I've seen of this game is nothing but a tech demo, engine showcase presented as an interactive movie with a cliffhanger ending. Looks to be zero replay value in this game as if it's made for trophy whores looking to level up.

Where were people when Ryse came out ?

People were complaining just as much about Ryse as well. Where were you?

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@Archangel3371 said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@HipHopBeats said:

Just asking because I feel we should not encourage devs to sell hyped games with not much gameplay. Every LP vid I've seen of this game is nothing but a tech demo, engine showcase presented as an interactive movie with a cliffhanger ending. Looks to be zero replay value in this game as if it's made for trophy whores looking to level up.

Where were people when Ryse came out ?

People were complaining just as much about Ryse as well. Where were you?

Yeah, the response to Ryse was pretty much identical, which is what led me to refer to the Order as PS4's Ryse in another thread. Incidentally, I actually enjoyed both games. Ryse does have more meat on it, though, thanks to multiplayer...which admittedly gets old quick, but I guess it counts for something.

As far as what's worth $60, totally relative. Let's not turn this into the old "it's not a game, because it doesn't conform to my narrow ideas of game design" debate.

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#21 MrGeezer
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@HipHopBeats said:

@pook99 said:

For me, no game is worth $60, but everyone has their own price to value ratio.

If the order was a great game but still the same length(6-8 hours) would you feel it is worth $60?

No 6-8 hour game is worth $60 imo, no matter how good it is. It would take a game like The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 for me to consider paying $60 plus tax.

Many feel $60 is nothing which may be true, depending on circumstances. But encouraging devs to keep pumping out these half assed games for full retail price is crap. Graphics alone do not make a good game.

See, here's my problem with that...I don't buy new movies either, but the last time I checked they were usually going for around $20 each (that's on disc, and actually NEW, as in it's only recently that they went on sale). And how long are movies? On average I'd say about 2 hours long each. So...buy 3 new movies at about $20 each, and you've just spent about $60 for about 6 hours of content. That's not the exception, that's fairly normal. So, and this is a genuine question, what makes games different? Why is spending $60 for six hours worth of movies acceptable (or at least understandable), whereas spending $60 on a six hour long game is just ridiculous?

And i could see your point if you said that games generally don't have the same artistic or emotional significance as movies. that'd be an understandable answer. but the weird thing is that you stated that no game that short is worth that much money REGARDLESS OF HOW GOOD IT IS. And that seems to be a fairly common sentiment. Yet, the common sentiment is that movies get treated differently, otherwise movies wouldn't be priced as they are (and I was only talking about movies sales on disc...I haven't even gotten into the cost of watching new high profile movies in theaters where you're paying a shitload of money PER PERSON simply for a SINGLE viewing). So...what's the deal? WHY does society generally feel that games have a lower dollars-per-hour value than movies? And that's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious.