Do you consider camping or noob tubing in Call Of Duty a skill?

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]] You want to see broken? See brokenMetamania

WTH? Jeez...

Thats nothing. That's actual quickscoping 'fixed'. You can see that he still has to aim somewhat when he goes into the scope view. In Modern Warfare 2, you didnt even have to aim. You just tap L1 and shoot. It was ridiculous.

In MW3, as bad as it looks, it still requires a little tiny bit of skill.

This is what broke Modern Warfare 2. It also broke me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bx0W9hgbPc

It's frustrating getting knifed in a shooter, but getting knifed like this is beyond frustrating. I cant express how i've felt getting knifed like that in MW2. I just cant. And the thing is that there were perks that allowed you to do that. It's no bug or glitch or one time thing.

MW2 seriously was the most broken online shooter ever made. To their credit, Tryearch made a more balanced shooter with perks that didnt break the game, and some pretty decent maps too. MW3 also fixed these knife lunges and other ridiculous perks, so I have to give IW props as well.

This is what broke Modern Warfare 2. It also broke me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bx0W9hgbPc

It's frustrating getting knifed in a shooter, but getting knifed like this is beyond frustrating. I cant express how i've felt getting knifed like that in MW2. I just cant. And the thing is that there were perks that allowed you to do that. It's no bug or glitch or one time thing.

MW2 seriously was the most broken online shooter ever made. To their credit, Tryearch made a more balanced shooter with perks that didnt break the game, and some pretty decent maps too. MW3 also fixed these knife lunges and other ridiculous perks, so I have to give IW props as well.

S0lidSnake

A headless chicken dies quickly.

I can't imagine why anyone would even still be bothering with MW3 online. It's a complete mess filled with immature kids and sad hackers. And no, camping and "noob tubing" are not skills. End of.

I can't imagine why anyone would even still be bothering with MW3 online. It's a complete mess filled with immature kids and sad hackers. And no, camping and "noob tubing" are not skills. End of.

Venom_Raptor

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I can't imagine why anyone would even still be bothering with MW3 online. It's a complete mess filled with immature kids and sad hackers. And no, camping and "noob tubing" are not skills. End of.

Black_Knight_00

Killzone and MAG come to mind.

Warhawk and Resistance had the best communities on the PS3. It was long before PS3 became cheap, and was owned mostly by grown ups.

Tell us the name of this online game you play that's filled with fair-playing mature adults. Put an end to our endless search.Black_Knight_00

Journey.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"]

I can't imagine why anyone would even still be bothering with MW3 online. It's a complete mess filled with immature kids and sad hackers. And no, camping and "noob tubing" are not skills. End of.

S0lidSnake

Killzone and MAG come to mind.

Warhawk and Resistance had the best communities on the PS3. It was long before PS3 became cheap, and was owned mostly by grown ups.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Tell us the name of this online game you play that's filled with fair-playing mature adults. Put an end to our endless search.c_rake

Journey.

We should have a go at Journey multiplayer. I never found anyone to play.Black_Knight_00

Really? Huh.

Anyways... sure. Just have to set up a time to try meeting up at.

What I can't believe is people who complain about campers. I mean....they're snipers. They're supposed to wait in position to shoot and kill their targets...that's kind of their purpose and the main purpose of snipers in general.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"]

I can't imagine why anyone would even still be bothering with MW3 online. It's a complete mess filled with immature kids and sad hackers. And no, camping and "noob tubing" are not skills. End of.

S0lidSnake

Killzone and MAG come to mind.

Warhawk and Resistance had the best communities on the PS3. It was long before PS3 became cheap, and was owned mostly by grown ups.

[QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"]

I can't imagine why anyone would even still be bothering with MW3 online. It's a complete mess filled with immature kids and sad hackers. And no, camping and "noob tubing" are not skills. End of.

Black_Knight_00

I don't play multiplayer, single player is all whats worth playing.

What I can't believe is people who complain about campers. I mean....they're snipers. They're supposed to wait in position to shoot and kill their targets...that's kind of their purpose and the main purpose of snipers in general.

Goyoshi12

A camper and a sniper are different. If you are sniping you are generally in view but from a distance, so there is risk of being sniped yourself. With camping you are completely confined to a corner of the environment in which you cannot be seen by anyone else until the fatal last second.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"]

I can't imagine why anyone would even still be bothering with MW3 online. It's a complete mess filled with immature kids and sad hackers. And no, camping and "noob tubing" are not skills. End of.

Venom_Raptor

I don't play multiplayer, single player is all whats worth playing.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

What I can't believe is people who complain about campers. I mean....they're snipers. They're supposed to wait in position to shoot and kill their targets...that's kind of their purpose and the main purpose of snipers in general.

Venom_Raptor

A camper and a sniper are different. If you are sniping you are generally in view but from a distance, so there is risk of being sniped yourself. With camping you are completely confined to a corner of the environment in which you cannot be seen by anyone else until the fatal last second.

That is a design issue. If given the option to shoot behind cover or shoot from out in the open, few players would choose to needlessly increase the risk to themselves. Its the job of game designers to make sure that playstyle X doesn't automatically crush playstyle Y.

So I've been playing Modern Warfare 3 with a couple of friends, doing multiplayer. Most matches I've got into is dealing with two kinds of people. Campers and noob tubers.

I've always enjoyed combat when it is up close and personal. As in, you find each other on the field and you shoot them down or they shoot you down. Win or lose, it's fair game and they win the battle. Unfortunately, most cases, that doesn't happen at all. Nowdays, I see people becoming nothing but cowards, staying in one piece and sniping people all the time. They are afraid to come out and fight like true players. And then there are the noob tubers, who can't win in a real fight and have to rely on throwing rockets all around to kill everything in sight. To me, in my humble opinion, doing either tactic is NOT skill. I don't mind if it was just a quick thing with sniping, but unfortunately, people do not do this all the time. They are nothing but b****** and prefer to act like cowards in doing so. It isn't skill at all, at least to me.

How do you feel about camping and noob tubing in FPS games like Call Of Duty? Are they skill or not?

Metamania

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Tell us the name of this online game you play that's filled with fair-playing mature adults. Put an end to our endless search.Black_Knight_00

Killzone and MAG come to mind.

Warhawk and Resistance had the best communities on the PS3. It was long before PS3 became cheap, and was owned mostly by grown ups.

I'd argue that you dont neccessarily need mics in those games. I mean if you spend some time with the game, you know exactly where to go for objectives. The level of team work i have seen in Killzone and MAG would simply not be possible in a game like CoD where you are rewarded for going solo and getting killstreaks. Those games attract a different, more grown up crowd imo. Of course, I have no data to back this up, but I have seen some amazing displays of team work in Killzone and especially MAG.

I have led a single squad of 8 players in a 128 player match, going from objective to objective, systematically taking out one enemy bunker after another, cutting off their Anti-Aircraft batteries, then setting up parameters around it to keep the other team from repairing it while the rest of my 64 player team parachuted down. Then destroy their mortars, vechiles dumps, and finally take over their main base by bombing the sh*t out of them.... all with a group of 8 soldiers reviving each other following the objectives I set without using mics. Of course, it didn't work everytime but when it did work, it was beautiful.

Now both those games aren't without their issues. MAG was an unbalanced mess when it first launched, and Killzone games usually turned into a clusterf*ck if a dumb Tactician decided to create a spawnpoint right next to the objective. So both games are flawed, but getting killed in those games did not feel cheap even with 256 players charging each other. Hell, Killzone has a sniper cIass that can become invisible, yet it's still more balanced than the sniping in CoD.

I never understood why people complained to those who used highly effective maneuvers/items in games even if they required little effort. If anyone's to blame, it's the developers.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

Killzone and MAG come to mind.

Warhawk and Resistance had the best communities on the PS3. It was long before PS3 became cheap, and was owned mostly by grown ups.

S0lidSnake

I'd argue that you dont neccessarily need mics in those games. I mean if you spend some time with the game, you know exactly where to go for objectives. The level of team work i have seen in Killzone and MAG would simply not be possible in a game like CoD where you are rewarded for going solo and getting killstreaks. Those games attract a different, more grown up crowd imo. Of course, I have no data to back this up, but I have seen some amazing displays of team work in Killzone and especially MAG.

I have led a single squad of 8 players in a 128 player match, going from objective to objective, systematically taking out one enemy bunker after another, cutting off their Anti-Aircraft batteries, then setting up parameters around it to keep the other team from repairing it while the rest of my 64 player team parachuted down. Then destroy their mortars, vechiles dumps, and finally take over their main base by bombing the sh*t out of them.... all with a group of 8 soldiers reviving each other following the objectives I set without using mics. Of course, it didn't work everytime but when it did work, it was beautiful.

Now both those games aren't without their issues. MAG was an unbalanced mess when it first launched, and Killzone games usually turned into a clusterf*ck if a dumb Tactician decided to create a spawnpoint right next to the objective. So both games are flawed, but getting killed in those games did not feel cheap even with 256 players charging each other. Hell, Killzone has a sniper cIass that can become invisible, yet it's still more balanced than the sniping in CoD.

CoD is just a game of deadly tag. You dont get into firefights, there isnt much skill in any of the encounters and its mostly a case of "I saw you; you're dead".

So no, camping and noob-tubing or in fact anything requires very little skill.

CoD is just a game of deadly tag. You dont get into firefights, there isnt much skill in any of the encounters and its mostly a case of "I saw you; you're dead".

So no, camping and noob-tubing or in fact anything requires very little skill.

D1zzyCriminal

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CoD is just a game of deadly tag. You dont get into firefights, there isnt much skill in any of the encounters and its mostly a case of "I saw you; you're dead".

So no, camping and noob-tubing or in fact anything requires very little skill.

Black_Knight_00

I've always said its an arena shooter. The difference with good arena shooters though: it takes more that one burst with a machine gun to kill you, health doesn't regen, you dont spawn with your favourite weapon, and the maps make full use of all 3 dimensions.

In the earlier CoD games (2-WaW) you had to move slowly to survive. When you went out in the open you died. If you ran around liek you do in MW3 in CoD4 you would be slain immidietly. So now you have a mixture of shooter styles that doesnt balance. Thats my view anyway.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="D1zzyCriminal"]

CoD is just a game of deadly tag. You dont get into firefights, there isnt much skill in any of the encounters and its mostly a case of "I saw you; you're dead".

So no, camping and noob-tubing or in fact anything requires very little skill.

D1zzyCriminal

I've always said its an arena shooter. The difference with good arena shooters though: it takes more that one burst with a machine gun to kill you, health doesn't regen, you dont spawn with your favourite weapon, and the maps make full use of all 3 dimensions.

In the earlier CoD games (2-WaW) you had to move slowly to survive. When you went out in the open you died. If you ran around liek you do in MW3 in CoD4 you would be slain immidietly. So now you have a mixture of shooter styles that doesnt balance. Thats my view anyway.

[QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"]

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

What I can't believe is people who complain about campers. I mean....they're snipers. They're supposed to wait in position to shoot and kill their targets...that's kind of their purpose and the main purpose of snipers in general.

CarnageHeart

A camper and a sniper are different. If you are sniping you are generally in view but from a distance, so there is risk of being sniped yourself. With camping you are completely confined to a corner of the environment in which you cannot be seen by anyone else until the fatal last second.

That is a design issue. If given the option to shoot behind cover or shoot from out in the open, few players would choose to needlessly increase the risk to themselves. Its the job of game designers to make sure that playstyle X doesn't automatically crush playstyle Y.

I always thought snipers were supposed to stay hidden as a general rule. Hence the use of ghillie suit and camoflage in general.

No, I think camping is fine. Spawn camping though, is cheating.

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[QUOTE="Venom_Raptor"]

A camper and a sniper are different. If you are sniping you are generally in view but from a distance, so there is risk of being sniped yourself. With camping you are completely confined to a corner of the environment in which you cannot be seen by anyone else until the fatal last second.

VoodooHak

That is a design issue. If given the option to shoot behind cover or shoot from out in the open, few players would choose to needlessly increase the risk to themselves. Its the job of game designers to make sure that playstyle X doesn't automatically crush playstyle Y.

I always thought snipers were supposed to stay hidden as a general rule. Hence the use of ghillie suit and camoflage in general.

No, I think camping is fine. Spawn camping though, is cheating.

If a designer makes a level/weapons in which a player can crouch in a select corner and kill all comers, I don't blame the player who crouches in the corner, I blame the designer.

As for spawn camping, there are ways to discourage it (giving newly spawned players windows of invincibility, giving them the tools needed to deal with any threat and allowing them to spawn over wide areas spring to mind). If Team A cedes the entire map to Team B, they should expect to get spawn camped. I hate it when a match goes to that level because that means a match is one sided, but the tactic itself doesn't strike me as objectionable.