Do you think Square has made better games than Final Fantasy? Because...

There are plenty of games Square has made that are better than FF, but until people stop buying the garbage they sell labelled 'Final Fantasy' Square will continue releasing them.

There are of games Square has made that are better than FF, but until people stop buying the garbage they sell labelled 'Final Fantasy' Square will continue releasing them.

Blueresident87

This thread has to be a joke. Infinite Undiscovery isn't even made by SE. Romancing Saga, Unlimited Saga, and Last Remnant better than Final Fantasy games? That is a joke.

Yes I knew that, but it doesn't matter. Some of those games are good, but the fact remains that they still put the FF name on them because that is their biggest draw, whether they were supposed to be FF games at the start or not. If Square thought people would buy a game called 'Final Fantasy Racing' they would probably make it. It's sad really, because Square used to be truly great. Blueresident87

This thread has to be a joke. Infinite Undiscovery isn't even made by SE. Romancing Saga, Unlimited Saga, and Last Remnant better than Final Fantasy games? That is a joke.

Ragnarok1051

Wow, super-opinionated you are...and SquareEnix puts their name on the IU box, at the end of the day it's their product.

What I'm taking away from this thread is that FF games are not the best that Square has made, which is the truth.

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This thread has to be a joke. Infinite Undiscovery isn't even made by SE. Romancing , Saga, and Last Remnant better than Final Fantasy games? That is a joke.

2x2towers

There is no need for me to damage control a list that has this much crap in it. Unlimited Saga alone says you have no clue what you're talking about.

Square has made games that are better than some of their Final Fantasy entries. Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games of all time. The Mana games which were very enjoyable and Brave Fencer Musashi was pretty fun to play back in the day . So yeah Square was able to make some games that topped Final Fantasy.

You listed 3rd Birthday as well? Man what Final Fantasy games are you comparing these games to? Final Fantasy 13-2 or something?

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This thread has to be a joke. Infinite Undiscovery isn't even made by SE. Romancing Saga, Unlimited Saga, and Last Remnant better than Final Fantasy games? That is a joke.

Blueresident87

Wow, super-opinionated you are...and SquareEnix puts their name on the IU box, at the end of the day it's their product.

What I'm taking away from this thread is that FF games are not the best that Square has made, which is the truth.

[QUOTE="2x2towers"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

This thread has to be a joke. Infinite Undiscovery isn't even made by SE. Romancing , Saga, and Last Remnant better than Final Fantasy games? That is a joke.

Ragnarok1051

There is no need for me to damage control a list that has this much crap in it. Unlimited Saga alone says you have no clue what you're talking about.

Square has made games that are better than some of their Final Fantasy entries. Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games of all time. The Mana games which were very enjoyable and Brave Fencer Musashi was pretty fun to play back in the day . So yeah Square was able to make some games that topped Final Fantasy.

You listed 3rd Birthday as well? Man what Final Fantasy games are you comparing these games to? Final Fantasy 13-2 or something?

[QUOTE="2x2towers"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

This thread has to be a joke. Infinite Undiscovery isn't even made by SE. Romancing , Saga, and Last Remnant better than Final Fantasy games? That is a joke.

Ragnarok1051

There is no need for me to damage control a list that has this much crap in it. Unlimited Saga alone says you have no clue what you're talking about.

Square has made games that are better than some of their Final Fantasy entries. Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games of all time. The Mana games which were very enjoyable and Brave Fencer Musashi was pretty fun to play back in the day . So yeah Square was able to make some games that topped Final Fantasy.

You listed 3rd Birthday as well? Man what Final Fantasy games are you comparing these games to? Final Fantasy 13-2 or something?

I believe that's his whole point, that Square(Enix) got away from some of their better franchises through the years so they could do nothing but run FF into the ground. There are some great Final Fantasy games, and VI is one of my favorite all time games. But the quality is not there anymore, Final Fantasy games or otherwise. It is completely justified to say SquareEnix could/should spend their resources on something other than numerous mediocre FF games.

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[QUOTE="2x2towers"] So is your butthurt DC strategy to take some of what i listed and then act like those were the only games I was talking about? Square had input on IU BTW, thus even if not too much, they id help Tri-ace with the game.Blueresident87

There is no need for me to damage control a that has this much crap in it. alone says you have no clue what you're talking about.

Square has made games that are better than some of their Final Fantasy entries. Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games of all time. The Mana games which were very enjoyable and Brave Fencer Musashi was pretty fun to play back in the day . So yeah Square was able to make some games that topped Final Fantasy.

You listed 3rd Birthday as well? Man what Final Fantasy games are you comparing these games to? Final Fantasy 13-2 or something?

I believe that's his whole point, that Square(Enix) got away from some of their better franchises through the years so they could do nothing but run FF into the ground. There are some great Final Fantasy games, and VI is one of my favorite all time games. But the quality is not there anymore, Final Fantasy games or otherwise. It is completely justified to say SquareEnix could/should spend their resources on something other than numerous mediocre FF games.

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[QUOTE="2x2towers"] So is your butthurt DC strategy to take some of what i listed and then act like those were the only games I was talking about? Square had input on IU BTW, thus even if not too much, they id help Tri-ace with the game.StatusShuffle

There is no need for me to damage control a list that has this much crap in it. Unlimited Saga alone says you have no clue what you're talking about.

Square has made games that are better than some of their Final Fantasy entries. Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games of all time. The Mana games which were very enjoyable and Brave Fencer Musashi was pretty fun to play back in the day . So yeah Square was able to make some games that topped Final Fantasy.

You listed 3rd Birthday as well? Man what Final Fantasy games are you comparing these games to? Final Fantasy 13-2 or something?

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

There is no need for me to damage control a list that has this much crap in it. Unlimited Saga alone says you have no clue what you're talking about.

Square has made games that are better than some of their Final Fantasy entries. Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games of all time. The Mana games which were very enjoyable and Brave Fencer Musashi was pretty fun to play back in the day . So yeah Square was able to make some games that topped Final Fantasy.

You listed 3rd Birthday as well? Man what Final Fantasy games are you comparing these games to? Final Fantasy 13-2 or something?

Ragnarok1051

Because this IS DAMAGE CONTROL. Obviously i made the whole list as a comparison, that would mean that if you take my list and put them next to FF1-Xii-2, then obviously in general FF is inferior to most of their products.2x2towers

They have not released anything that is better than Final Fantasy 9, 7, or 6, 9 being my favorite game of all time. 13-2 is one of the worst FF games I've ever played but it still beats Unlimited Saga, which I usually use as a gauge for terrible games. To me Final Fantasy will always be their best franchise. Not because of name but because of the quality the series used to have. and I feel there are few games that rival their Final Fantasy SNES and PS1 entries.

Square used to be a damn good developer though. Everything they used to touch turned into gold. Now they just release crap after crap and have no clue what the fans really want. I wish they would revisit old franchises but I'm afraid of what the damage would be to some of my favorites. If Final Fantasy isn't safe what is?

Explain yourself.

StatusShuffle

The fact that Snow was in it. He has to be the worst character to ever be in any game.

I found the story to be awful, none of the characters were enjoyable or likable, too much traveling through time to make sense out of a terrible plot. Battle system was enjoyable but I'd have preferred a third main character instead of a monster. Can't say I was a big fan of the character enhancement system but it got the job done I guess.

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[QUOTE="2x2towers"] Because this IS DAMAGE CONTROL. Obviously i made the whole as a comparison, that would mean that if you take my and put them next to FF1-Xii-2, then obviously in general FF is inferior to most of their products.2x2towers

They have not released anything that is better than Final Fantasy 9, 7, or 6, 9 being my favorite game of all time. 13-2 is one of the worst FF games I've ever played but it still beats Unlimited Saga, which I usually use as a gauge for terrible games. To me Final Fantasy will always be their best franchise. Not because of name but because of the quality the series used to have. and I feel there are few games that rival their Final Fantasy SNES and PS1 entries.

Square used to be a damn good developer though. Everything they used to touch turned into gold. Now they just release crap after crap and have no clue what the fans really want. I wish they would revisit old franchises but I'm afraid of what the damage would be to some of my favorites. If Final Fantasy isn't safe what is?

Did you skip over that last part? I don't like the direction Square is going and I would love for them to revisit their old franchises. I just don't think they have it in them to do any franchise they have any justice.

[QUOTE="2x2towers"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

They have not released anything that is better than Final Fantasy 9, 7, or 6, 9 being my favorite game of all time. 13-2 is one of the worst FF games I've ever played but it still beats Unlimited Saga, which I usually use as a gauge for terrible games. To me Final Fantasy will always be their best franchise. Not because of name but because of the quality the series used to have. and I feel there are few games that rival their Final Fantasy SNES and PS1 entries.

Square used to be a damn good developer though. Everything they used to touch turned into gold. Now they just release crap after crap and have no clue what the fans really want. I wish they would revisit old franchises but I'm afraid of what the damage would be to some of my favorites. If Final Fantasy isn't safe what is?

Ragnarok1051

Did you skip over that last part? I 't like the direction Square is going and I would for them to revisit their old franchises. I just don't think they have it in them to do any franchise they have any justice.

This thread has to be a joke. Infinite Undiscovery isn't even made by SE. Romancing Saga, Unlimited Saga, and Last Remnant better than Final Fantasy games? That is a joke.

Ragnarok1051

It's not nearly as hilarious as your statement. Of all of the Final Fantasy games, few are actually very good and fewer still are actually incredible; the rest are failed experiments or successful rehashes. Final Fantasy doesn't begin or end with VI or VII; you also have to deal with the turd nuggets that were 2, 3, 7(imo) 8, 10 and 13, the good attempts that were 5 and 9, the genuinely good titles that were 1, 4 and 12, and the awesome 6. That's not an incredible series.

That said, I haven't played a JRPG since Ogre Battle 64 since FF VII almost singlehandedly turned me off of the genre, so I've been gingerly making my way back in through Final Fantasy. If it weren't for the fact that I actually want to play 12, 10 would have scared me off again with its linearity and shallowness. That's how bad some of those games are.

For me, Final Fantasies 6 - 9 were the pinnacle of Square's games. A game being better than the newest Final Fantasies really isn't saying much.

yes deus ex 3(human revolution) is beteeeer

Yes, Xenogears and Chrono Trigger.

Chrono trigger is better than Final fantasy. That's about it

well, i like saga frontier and chrono cross infinitely better then the ff series... so yes i do think they should but less emphasis on ff.

Yes, Xenogears and Chrono Trigger.

ThePerro

This, my favorite console RPG ever created.

Enix made better games than FF. =PAllicrombie

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] The fact that Snow was in it. He has to be the worst character to ever be in any game. Ragnarok1051

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Xiii-2 had him in the game for less than 12 minutes of screen time pretty much total of all the times he showed up. Looks like you are reaching here, I think you will like 13-2, complex battle system, more exploration, variety of items and secrets, detailed maps, lots of sidequests, less repetition, more likable characters, Atlas, etc.TheKungFool

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] Did you skip over the rest of my post? I also own 13-2 and have had it since release day. I had to quit after 15 hours of playing because I just couldn't force myself through it anymore. I was really excited for this game too because they promised a lot of improvements over 13. StatusShuffle

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

I'm with you on this RAGNAROK old chum, don't waste too much time with these guys, especially the "status shuffle" guy.

anyhow, I had the same experience you did with both FF13 and FF13-2.

as for the original question, I'd say yes, SquareSoft (as in pre-Enix merger) made plenty of games that I liked just as much if not better than SOME of the final fantasies.
that said, "Final Fantasy VII" remains one of my all-time favorite games. rpg or otherwise.

TheKungFool

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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] I like how both of you don't even at least give your opinion on how 13-2 was bad. StatusShuffle

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] Did you skip over the rest of my post? I also own 13-2 and have had it since release day. I had to quit after 15 hours of playing because I just couldn't force myself through it anymore. I was really excited for this game too because they promised a lot of improvements over 13. StatusShuffle

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

I'm with you on this RAGNAROK old chum, don't waste too much time with these guys, especially the "status shuffle" guy.

anyhow, I had the same experience you did with both FF13 and FF13-2.

as for the original question, I'd say yes, SquareSoft (as in pre-Enix merger) made plenty of games that I liked just as much if not better than SOME of the final fantasies.
that said, "Final Fantasy VII" remains one of my all-time favorite games. rpg or otherwise.Ragnarok1051

I found the story to be awful, none of the characters were enjoyable or likable, too much traveling through time to make sense out of a terrible plot. Battle system was enjoyable but I'd have preferred a third main character instead of a monster. Can't say I was a big fan of the character enhancement system but it got the job done I guess.

IMO: For sure. The shining examples being Chrono Trigger, Einhander, Brave Fencer Musashi, and Parasite Eve.

I think the only square game I have ever legitimately liked is Chrono Trigger.

Gosh you and IGN, is the story really matter that much when everything ELSE was better than Xiii-1 and 12? StatusShuffle

They died after FFX, and stabbed themselves in the heart with FF13, FF12 was better but the story was so ZZZz. Everything went totally down hill once they became squar enix. Most of their games now are a joke compared to their older games and western rpgs. I mean come on we've got more advanced technology now and they can't even come close to their ps1 games. Right now all they're doing is riding the name. For any hardcore gamers this is clearly visible.