Do you think the Playstation has better 3D platformers than the N64?

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

You have got to be on something if you think Rayman 2 was better on the PS1. I love Rayman 2, but that version was crap in comparison to the others. Many whole levels were cut and the levels it did have had parts that were cut in them. It was almost half of the game and the english voice acting was much worse than the jubberish IMO. And also it had the worst visuals of them all

KillerCannonade

My God.... You clearly have no I dea what french is. I'm Canadian and my entire family speaks french. They spoke gibberish you moron

The PS1 version was a bad port of the game and, if anything, they cut content because the PS1 couldn't handle it. It was the weakest system the game released on. It even needed the expansion pack to run on N64 if I'm not mistaken and the N64 was quite a bit more powerful than PSX

The PS1 version's textures were much worse, worse water effects, more slow down and framerate problems, worse everything in the graphics department actually. Also the controls were less responsive. I was able to easily complete the final rocket level on the PC and N64 versions, but the controls were too jolty on the PSX version.

Here's a comparison of all console versions and the comments also all put the PSX version in dead last because it was crap in comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmVjOR0475U

Why are you making a bunch of crap up?

[QUOTE="KillerCannonade"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

You have got to be on something if you think Rayman 2 was better on the PS1. I love Rayman 2, but that version was crap in comparison to the others. Many whole levels were cut and the levels it did have had parts that were cut in them. It was almost half of the game and the english voice acting was much worse than the jubberish IMO. And also it had the worst visuals of them all

Pikminmaniac

My God.... You clearly have no I dea what french is. I'm Canadian and my entire family speaks french. They spoke gibberish you moron

The PS1 version was a bad port of the game and, if anything, they cut content because the PS1 couldn't handle it. It was the weakest system the game released on.

Textures were much worse, worse water effects. Worse everything in the graphics department actually.

Here's a comparison of all console versions and the comments also all put the PSX version in dead last because it was crap in comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmVjOR0475U

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="KillerCannonade"] Many my ass, a couple levels (with problems) were cut. That gibberish you like btw is french. English voice acting, improved animation, no slow down, no blur, better cutscenes, better framerate, better water effects, or whatever that is in Rayman 2, better control, better button reactions.KillerCannonade

My God.... You clearly have no I dea what french is. I'm Canadian and my entire family speaks french. They spoke gibberish you moron

The PS1 version was a bad port of the game and, if anything, they cut content because the PS1 couldn't handle it. It was the weakest system the game released on.

Textures were much worse, worse water effects. Worse everything in the graphics department actually.

Here's a comparison of all console versions and the comments also all put the PSX version in dead last because it was crap in comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmVjOR0475U

OK, I'm done with you. You either know nothing about anything or you're just trying to make people angry. Goodbye

[QUOTE="KillerCannonade"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

My God.... You clearly have no I dea what french is. I'm Canadian and my entire family speaks french. They spoke gibberish you moron

The PS1 version was a bad port of the game and, if anything, they cut content because the PS1 couldn't handle it. It was the weakest system the game released on.

Textures were much worse, worse water effects. Worse everything in the graphics department actually.

Here's a comparison of all console versions and the comments also all put the PSX version in dead last because it was crap in comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmVjOR0475U

Pikminmaniac

OK, I'm done with you. You either know nothing about anything or you're just trying to make people angry. Goodbye

Overall I prefer N64 for the Rare stuff, but both have excellent 3D platformers.Eikichi-Onizuka

ah yes, killercannonade's strategy: either you agree with me, or I'll shove my opinion down your throat with persistence, inaccuracies, logical fallacies and fanboyismrilpas

Maybe Mario 64? KillerCannonade

What's with the "maybe?" I mean, even if it weren't the best game of all time, it still deserves more than a "maybe."

Super Mario 64

Banjo Kazooie

Banjo Tooie

Donkey Kong 64

Conker

Chameleon Twist 1 and 2

Glover (the PS1 version was a butchered port)

Rayman 2

I really think the N64 had the better Platformers.

I know nothing? The only point you addressed the whole conversation was graphics. You ignored the other points I made, some proven in your very video. You also never shown anything to suggest any of my other points is wrong. Then continue to ignore all the points I made when I never talked about graphics in anything. So you proved nthing. Im still waiting for you to do so. You then decide you lost the very simple argument which all you had to do was show my points are wrong instead of ignoring them Now you run off with a "You know nothing" crying in the corner gag. No, you could have easily just shown me if my points were wrong, which you never did, because you only brought up one thing which I already said the N64 was better in? So I know nothing? No you just hate being wrong? How does it feel to be a complete failure and result to such low digusting filthy thing like pretending your right and walking away because you can't do one simple thing? Then Ignore it and try to make yourself like your the victim here. That's just the lowest forum of scum, away with you. People who do that to anyone should be jailed for just being a unethical scum that they are, do you that that with other people? I hope this doesn't become a habit of you since what you just did was extremely low. I have nothing to say to this.KillerCannonade

It's clearly impossible to conduct a discussion with you on mature level.Your comments intend to criticize opinions over and over again, on the fact you have no arguments then you start to cry arround here like a little kid.And I'm to 100% sure, you're this moron who called himself "Another 48 Hours".How many accounts you want to create?You don't think it's enough?

The PS1 isn't really close to the N64 in platformers to me. I don't think there were any PS1 platformers of the quality of the best N64 platformers, and PS1 doesn't really have N64 beat in quantity either.

[QUOTE="KillerCannonade"]I know nothing? The only point you addressed the whole conversation was graphics. You ignored the other points I made, some proven in your very video. You also never shown anything to suggest any of my other points is wrong. Then continue to ignore all the points I made when I never talked about graphics in anything. So you proved nthing. Im still waiting for you to do so. You then decide you lost the very simple argument which all you had to do was show my points are wrong instead of ignoring them Now you run off with a "You know nothing" crying in the corner gag. No, you could have easily just shown me if my points were wrong, which you never did, because you only brought up one thing which I already said the N64 was better in? So I know nothing? No you just hate being wrong? How does it feel to be a complete failure and result to such low digusting filthy thing like pretending your right and walking away because you can't do one simple thing? Then Ignore it and try to make yourself like your the victim here. That's just the lowest forum of scum, away with you. People who do that to anyone should be jailed for just being a unethical scum that they are, do you that that with other people? I hope this doesn't become a habit of you since what you just did was extremely low. I have nothing to say to this.Stefan91x

It's clearly impossible to conduct a discussion with you on mature level.Your comments intend to criticize opinions over and over again, on the fact you have no arguments then you start to cry arround here like a little kid.And I'm to 100% sure, you're this moron who called himself "Another 48 Hours".How many accounts you want to create?You don't think it's enough?

I'm just surprised the mods haven't stepped in, honestly, I swear I've never seen the mods actually do something on the Legacy forums

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

just want to say crash bandicoot is not a 3d platformer.

KBFloYd

Yeah, it is. Crash Bandicoot is 3D and moves within a 3D world. OPEN WORLD PEOPLE!!! THAT'S THE WORD!!! 2D flat, 3D not flat.

nah bro..that sh$t is linear as f&&k....it has no sense of exploration at all... its a 2d scroller in a first person direction.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

just want to say crash bandicoot is not a 3d platformer.

Emerald_Warrior

Yeah, it is. Crash Bandicoot is 3D and moves within a 3D world. OPEN WORLD PEOPLE!!! THAT'S THE WORD!!! 2D flat, 3D not flat.

[QUOTE="KillerCannonade"][QUOTE="rilpas"]I think it has more good ones while the N64 has more amazing ones if that makes senserilpas

The thing that spoils SNES games for me is the sound filter, I can not describe it, but what I love about the NES is the sounds are pure beats. But the SNES sounds seem to go through this odd filtir that increase the pitch, and has this wowowow effect (I think that is actually a filtir you can use in audacity), it gives the illusion of having way better sound to kids. When in reality it is just different style of sound, though the SNES had more sound channels, and yes more smoother sound. For example I rather play Super Mario brothers 3 on the original NES than on the SNES. In fact the graphics look more "cool." I agree that the N64 had better platformers, but the Playstation had more of them that were not too bad, though I never really played them much. Yet again the N64 had platformers with a more childlike appeal.

[QUOTE="Stefan91x"]

[QUOTE="KillerCannonade"]I know nothing? The only point you addressed the whole conversation was graphics. You ignored the other points I made, some proven in your very video. You also never shown anything to suggest any of my other points is wrong. Then continue to ignore all the points I made when I never talked about graphics in anything. So you proved nthing. Im still waiting for you to do so. You then decide you lost the very simple argument which all you had to do was show my points are wrong instead of ignoring them Now you run off with a "You know nothing" crying in the corner gag. No, you could have easily just shown me if my points were wrong, which you never did, because you only brought up one thing which I already said the N64 was better in? So I know nothing? No you just hate being wrong? How does it feel to be a complete failure and result to such low digusting filthy thing like pretending your right and walking away because you can't do one simple thing? Then Ignore it and try to make yourself like your the victim here. That's just the lowest forum of scum, away with you. People who do that to anyone should be jailed for just being a unethical scum that they are, do you that that with other people? I hope this doesn't become a habit of you since what you just did was extremely low. I have nothing to say to this.rilpas

It's clearly impossible to conduct a discussion with you on mature level.Your comments intend to criticize opinions over and over again, on the fact you have no arguments then you start to cry arround here like a little kid.And I'm to 100% sure, you're this moron who called himself "Another 48 Hours".How many accounts you want to create?You don't think it's enough?

I'm just surprised the mods haven't stepped in, honestly, I swear I've never seen the mods actually do something on the Legacy forums

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="KillerCannonade"] Partially.mahlasor

The thing that spoils SNES games for me is the sound filter, I can not describe it, but what I love about the NES is the sounds are pure beats. But the SNES sounds seem to go through this odd filtir that increase the pitch, and has this wowowow effect (I think that is actually a filtir you can use in audacity), it gives the illusion of having way better sound to kids. When in reality it is just different style of sound, though the SNES had more sound channels, and yes more smoother sound. For example I rather play Super Mario brothers 3 on the original NES than on the SNES. In fact the graphics look more "cool." I agree that the N64 had better platformers, but the Playstation had more of them that were not too bad, though I never really played them much. Yet again the N64 had platformers with a more childlike appeal.

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="KillerCannonade"] Partially.mahlasor

Yet again the N64 had platformers with a more childlike appeal.

So Conker is "childlike" while Crash and Spyro aren't? I see what you did there...

I find it interesting how polarized people in the thread are. Either it's "N64 by a mile, Mario 64 and Banjo rock" or "PS1 owns, Crash and Spyro rock". Almost like there's no in-between. I'm sure TC contributed to this polarization too so I guess he can be proud of himself :P

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"] it's kind of how I feel about the Sega Genesis versus the SNES The genesis has more good games while the SNES has more great gamesThenumber48

The thing that spoils SNES games for me is the sound filter, I can not describe it, but what I love about the NES is the sounds are pure beats. But the SNES sounds seem to go through this odd filtir that increase the pitch, and has this wowowow effect (I think that is actually a filtir you can use in audacity), it gives the illusion of having way better sound to kids. When in reality it is just different style of sound, though the SNES had more sound channels, and yes more smoother sound. For example I rather play Super Mario brothers 3 on the original NES than on the SNES. In fact the graphics look more "cool." I agree that the N64 had better platformers, but the Playstation had more of them that were not too bad, though I never really played them much. Yet again the N64 had platformers with a more childlike appeal.

I just think the Super Nintendo sound style was on ultra soft mode. Explain mainstream thought? I remember playing countless hours of Zelda Link's awakening on the Gameboy, never played any other zelda game except OOT, got an SNES, thought "hey, remember enjoying the gameboy game? This one is that on steriods probably!" Gets the game, could not stand the way it sounded. It is such a lazy way to make sound/music for the games, it was some speudo better sound effect thta just made it sound different. Not every SNES game is guilty, SMW, King of the Monster 2, Starfox, DKC, F-Zero, and perhaps a few others I have not bothered with have excellent sound. I love 100 percent natural beats. Here is an example,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSv6DCSZNQM It sounds so cheap in comparision tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hM20M2px3g

[QUOTE="KillerCannonade"][QUOTE="rilpas"]I think it has more good ones while the N64 has more amazing ones if that makes senserilpas

genesis got sanic

and rocket knight adventures

bettar dan snes

also the music on genesis doesn't sound like poop

btw i noticed that all losers are nintendo fanz

they shud all commence in a mass suicide

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Stefan91x"]He's right, you know nothing.

It's clearly impossible to conduct a discussion with you on mature level.Your comments intend to criticize opinions over and over again, on the fact you have no arguments then you start to cry arround here like a little kid.And I'm to 100% sure, you're this moron who called himself "Another 48 Hours".How many accounts you want to create?You don't think it's enough?

Thenumber48

I'm just surprised the mods haven't stepped in, honestly, I swear I've never seen the mods actually do something on the Legacy forums

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="KillerCannonade"] Partially.JigglyWiggly_

genesis got sanic

and rocket knight adventures

bettar dan snes

also the music on genesis doesn't sound like poop

btw i noticed that all losers are nintendo fanz

they shud all commence in a mass suicide

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Stefan91x"]He's right, you know nothing.

It's clearly impossible to conduct a discussion with you on mature level.Your comments intend to criticize opinions over and over again, on the fact you have no arguments then you start to cry arround here like a little kid.And I'm to 100% sure, you're this moron who called himself "Another 48 Hours".How many accounts you want to create?You don't think it's enough?

Thenumber48

I'm just surprised the mods haven't stepped in, honestly, I swear I've never seen the mods actually do something on the Legacy forums

personally, I've learned to ignore him, so less trouble for me :P

I started playing Conker a few months ago on my N64. It's really a technical marvel, it looks like an early PS2 game, they went as far as making real time reflections in the water, projected shadows and positional sound. Technologically, there's no PS1 game that even comes close to this one, I was impressed that it aged somewhat ok. Super Mario 64 invented the 3D platformer genre. Crash Bandicoot was more like a '2.5 with some degree of freedom' platformer when SM64 took it to a whole new level. Playstation might have the number, but the N64 has the quality.

I started playing Conker a few months ago on my N64. It's really a technical marvel, it looks like an early PS2 game, they went as far as making real time reflections in the water, projected shadows and positional sound. Technologically, there's no PS1 game that even comes close to this one, I was impressed that it aged somewhat ok. Super Mario 64 invented the 3D platformer genre. Crash Bandicoot was more like a '2.5 with some degree of freedom' platformer when SM64 took it to a whole new level. Playstation might have the number, but the N64 has the quality.

N-K0d3R

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Yeah, it is. Crash Bandicoot is 3D and moves within a 3D world. OPEN WORLD PEOPLE!!! THAT'S THE WORD!!! 2D flat, 3D not flat.

Dudersaper

nah bro..that sh$t is linear as f&&k....it has no sense of exploration at all... its a 2d scroller in a first person direction.

but a platformer? its sidescroller... 3d frontscroller.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

just want to say crash bandicoot is not a 3d platformer.

Spinnerweb

Yeah, it is. Crash Bandicoot is 3D and moves within a 3D world. OPEN WORLD PEOPLE!!! THAT'S THE WORD!!! 2D flat, 3D not flat.

corrected myself and said 3d frontscroller. its not a platformer.

So let me start with this: What makes, in the opinion of Nintendo 64 platform fans, Mario 64 better than say... Crash Bandicoot? Let's start with that.Thenumber48

mario 64 revolutionized gamming... crash was nothing but a wannabe mascot for sony and didn't revolutionize jack.

[QUOTE="N-K0d3R"]

I started playing Conker a few months ago on my N64. It's really a technical marvel, it looks like an early PS2 game, they went as far as making real time reflections in the water, projected shadows and positional sound. Technologically, there's no PS1 game that even comes close to this one, I was impressed that it aged somewhat ok. Super Mario 64 invented the 3D platformer genre. Crash Bandicoot was more like a '2.5 with some degree of freedom' platformer when SM64 took it to a whole new level. Playstation might have the number, but the N64 has the quality.

Shockwave-DASH

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="N-K0d3R"]

I started playing Conker a few months ago on my N64. It's really a technical marvel, it looks like an early PS2 game, they went as far as making real time reflections in the water, projected shadows and positional sound. Technologically, there's no PS1 game that even comes close to this one, I was impressed that it aged somewhat ok. Super Mario 64 invented the 3D platformer genre. Crash Bandicoot was more like a '2.5 with some degree of freedom' platformer when SM64 took it to a whole new level. Playstation might have the number, but the N64 has the quality.

N-K0d3R

But it is black and white, it is that simple. 2D equals flat, 3D not flat. Simple as that. Nothing more complicated to it. The fact that your freedom of movement is limited makes it in no way, shape, or form a 2D game. It simply means you don't have wide open spaces to run around.

I'll have to say the N64 since I choose quality over quantity. Mario 64 and rare's platformers were awesome, whereas the PSX had more mediocre-to-decent platformers.

[QUOTE="Thenumber48"] I like how this thread show that people don't know the definition of 3D so much now I have to join in. Crash is not 2.5D. Mario 64 did not start or invent 3D platfomring. In fact, the only games that continued to use how Mario used 3D platforming was the N64 platofrmers only. Only Mario games after the n64 have used that same style. Concepts where taken from it however. Also, I could have sworn you could move in all direction in crash, you sure you know what 3D is? Ok, whatever, judging by this thread, I am sure I did not better trying to convince people that Crash is 3D so i leave this to you Emerald people.

Ah, great. Now the debate on what kind of platformer Crash Bandicoot is going to be similar to the debate about Smash Bros being a fighting game.nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="Thenumber48"]So let me start with this: What makes, in the opinion of Nintendo 64 platform fans, Mario 64 better than say... Crash Bandicoot? Let's start with that.KBFloYd

mario 64 revolutionized gamming... crash was nothing but a wannabe mascot for sony and did revolutionize jack.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="Thenumber48"]So let me start with this: What makes, in the opinion of Nintendo 64 platform fans, Mario 64 better than say... Crash Bandicoot? Let's start with that.Shockwave-DASH

mario 64 revolutionized gamming... crash was nothing but a wannabe mascot for sony and did revolutionize jack.

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

mario 64 revolutionized gamming... crash was nothing but a wannabe mascot for sony and did revolutionize jack.

Dudersaper

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="Thenumber48"]So let me start with this: What makes, in the opinion of Nintendo 64 platform fans, Mario 64 better than say... Crash Bandicoot? Let's start with that.Shockwave-DASH

mario 64 revolutionized gamming... crash was nothing but a wannabe mascot for sony and did revolutionize jack.

You are right, no platformer ever did copy SMB. or SMB.3 or SMW, neither was SM64 a fully 3D platformer after a loooong time and didn't influence any other 3D paltformers, like, at all.

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

mario 64 revolutionized gamming... crash was nothing but a wannabe mascot for sony and did revolutionize jack.

nameless12345

You are right, no platformer ever did copy SMB. or SMB.3 or SMW, neither was SM64 a fully 3D platformer after a loooong time and didn't influence any other 3D paltformers, like, at all.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Sorry, you both are wrong. Neither revolutionized anything. Mario nor Crash did anything new at all. Shockwave-DASH

You are right, no platformer ever did copy SMB. or SMB.3 or SMW, neither was SM64 a fully 3D platformer after a loooong time and didn't influence any other 3D paltformers, like, at all.

What do you mean with "no camera control" ? Last I checked the camera was attached to the C (yellow) buttons and fully controlable.

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

You are right, no platformer ever did copy SMB. or SMB.3 or SMW, neither was SM64 a fully 3D platformer after a loooong time and didn't influence any other 3D paltformers, like, at all.

nameless12345

What do you mean with "no camera control" ? Last I checked the camera was attached to the C (yellow) buttons and fully controlable.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Making a game that scrolls to the right and jumps would have been done without SMB, the only think copied from SMB in some games was the blocks. From SMB2, floating coins. From SMB3? The Map. Which actually, was done before I think, I have to look that up. SM64 wasn't a fully 3D platformer, it had many 2.5d type fixed cameras and no camera control, which apparently according to this thread is not real 3D. It also wasn't the first to do it so I have no idea what time has to do with anything. Only concepts where taken from the game, not how the core game was designed. I'm not saying they didn't popularize or improve somethings, but revolutionalize?Shockwave-DASH

What do you mean with "no camera control" ? Last I checked the camera was attached to the C (yellow) buttons and fully controlable.

Yes, you can change views all the time.

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

What do you mean with "no camera control" ? Last I checked the camera was attached to the C (yellow) buttons and fully controlable.

nameless12345

Yes, you can change views all the time.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] So you're telling me 100% of Mario 64 allows you to control the camera at all times? (Not counting blocked corners) You and I both know that's a lie. There are even parts, that I am pretty sure the Camera controls itself.Shockwave-DASH

Yes, you can change views all the time.

you can control the camera in 98-99% of the game... your just being a troll.

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Yes, you can change views all the time.

KBFloYd

you can control the camera in 98-99% of the game... your just being a troll.

More like 82% of the game.Shockwave-DASH

And if having the camera fixed in certain areas means games aren't fully 3D than games like Jak&Daxter, Yakuza (and Yakuza 2), a crap load of RPG's and a crapload of other games aren't truly 3D games. Heck, you might even be able to say that more than 80% of 3D aren't truly 3D, going by your logic.