Dreamcast vs Gamecube

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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Dreamcast ... it doesn't put up much competition to the GC unless you really like fighters

magnax1

If you like that sort of game, sure, but you can't really make a logical argument that the DC does much better then the GC.

I actually agree with him. The Dreamcast has a VEEEERRRRY well rounded library. In hindsight, this is really what matters for a systems lastability. It had THE best fighters of all the other three systems of that gen(xbox, gc, ps2), it had a few good sim racers(not the best, but good), it had the Sonic Adventure series, the Jet Set series, quarky titles like Seaman that weren't available any place else, a bunch of "wii-type" peripheral party games, GREAT RPGS, a game like Shenmue which is an experience that has even yet to be attempted again, and lets not forget that for awhile it had the best sports games in the 2k series--madden was lackluster in comparison and it wasn't until way later that the other systems got those games.

I love the gamecube for a few really great titles, but a large part of the library was either ports of ps2 games or super versions of N64 titles. Games like Blue Storm didn't even exceed the original waverace.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]Maybe for you. You also neglected to list all of the Dreamcast's amazing arcade-perfect shmups-- as well as Ikaruga for the Gamecube. (Despite the sloppy porting job, and the fact that the Dreamcast version was superior, it was one of the best games available for Gamecube.)

bultje112

If you like that sort of game, sure, but you can't really make a logical argument that the DC does much better then the GC.

is there a shenmue on gamecube or a game that comes even close quality wise on gamecube?? the zelda games imo were really overrated on gamecube as well. mario games I can't be bothered since they went 3d

dreamcast, it also has many great imports

Both are great machines and while the Dreamcast is one of my favorite consoles, the Gamecube has much more games available.godzillavskong

Does anyone have a full release list for both consoles? I had a look around and all I ran into was a mention on Wiki that there are 640 Gamecube games, and 720 Dreamcast games, but Wiki isn't exactly reliable.

Gamecube-

Star wars rogue squadron 2

Star wars rogue squadron 3 (2 was better though)

Metal gear solid twin snakes

Metroid prime 1

Metroid Prime 2

Time Splitters 2 (also PS2 and xbox)

Geist

Sould Caliber 2

Custom robo

Resident evil remake

Resident evil 0

Resident evil 4 (also on PS2, but has worse AI and less enemies)

Mario Sunshine (I don't like it, but it's Mario)

Pikmin 1

Pikmin 2

Zelda Wind Waker

Zelda Twilight Princess

Eternal Darkness

Super Smash Brothers

Mario Kart

SSX 3

Baiten Kaitos

Tales of Symphonia

Battalion Wars

Killer 7

Paper Mario

Luigi's Mansion

Beyond good and Evil

Animal Crossing

Prince of Persia

Ikaruga

On both-

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2

Crazy Taxi 1 and 2

Skies of Arcadia

Resident evil Code Veronica

Dreamcast

Half Life

Grandia 2

Marvel vs Capcom 2

Soul Caliber

Marvel vs Capcom 1

Shenmue 1

Shenmue 2

Virtua Fighter 3

Street Fighter series

Jet Grind radio

Dead or Alive 2

Rez

Powerstone

Test Drive Les Mans

Updated my list with some games I forgot for both.

Powerstone 2

Soul Calibur

Shenmue

Shenmue 2

Rez

MDK2

Jet Set Radio

Headhunter

Starlancer

Quake III

Toy Commander

Dead or Alive 2

Tech Romancer

Fur Fighters

Metropolis Street Racer

Daytona USA 2001

F355 Chalenge

Ooga Booga

Chu Chu Rocket

Grandia 2

4-Wheel Thunder

Hydro Thunder

Soul Reaver

Carrier

House of the Dead 2

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

Shadowman

Wetrix+

Bangai-O

Confidential Mission

Guilty Gear X

Gunbird 2

Illbleed

Rival Schools 2

Record of Lodoss War

Rush 2049

Samba De Amigo

Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike

Tricks.t.y.l.e

Triggerheart Excellica

Twinkle Star Sprites

Typing of the Dead

Unreal Tournament

Mars Matrix

Trizeal

Episode 1 Racer

Psyvariar 2

Maken X

Garou: Mark of the Wolves

King of Fighters 99'

Spider-Man

Dino Crisis

Cannon Spike

Armada

Cosmic Smash

Virtual On - Oratorio Tangram

Virtua Fighter 3

Space Race

Evil Twin

Darkstalkers Chronicle

Virtua Tennis

Sega Rally 2

Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo

Draconus

Soldier of Fortune

Elemental Gimmick Gear

Silver

Border Down

Sega GT

Le Mans 24 hours

Last Blade 2

Super Magnetic Neo

Marvel Vs Capcom 2

Space Channel 5

On Both

Ikaruga

Sonic Adventure

Sonic Adventure 2

Crazy Taxi

Skies of Arcadia

Resident Evil Code Veronica

Bust a Move

Puyo Puyo

Resident Evil 3

etc, etc, I enjoyed a lot of Dreamcast games.

Domino_slayer

I still have to get the boot disc, which you can buy online(Don't mod me Gamespot), so I can play the game HeadHunter, seeing as how it is a PAL version, and won't play in my US console.I purchased the game also but I didn't know it was the PAL version. I heard that HeadHunter was a very good game, so I guess I'll have to fork out the 15.00 to get it. As far as these two consoles paired against each other, I think the Cube offers more, but the Dreamcast is one of my favorites. It depends on what type of games you like I guess.

WINS!:)

gamecube. some of its graphics beat some today in 480p. it has a bigger library. if you get a dreamcast, make sure it has a vmu

bigM10231

Get informed dude, the dreamcast can do 1080p search YT for evidence, in the current generation only the PS3 can do it, xbox 360 does 720p and the wii, well 480p *giggle*Dinonemesis

They didn't even have 1080p TVs when DC was released. They were all 1080i since everything was CRT when the DC was released.

Get informed dude, the dreamcast can do 1080p search YT for evidence, in the current generation only the PS3 can do it, xbox 360 does 720p and the wii, well 480p *giggle*Dinonemesis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhAqYixb5wDinonemesis

I'd go with a gamecube, and this is coming from a DIEHARD DC fan. My reasoning is that so many of the popular dc games have been ported to ps2/xbox/gcn, so if you have those systems, you can get the ports. Unless you like alot of the stuff that was DC exclusive like border down or something...

gamecube has a way bigger selection, including sonic adventure. also has sonic adventure 2, sonic heroes, and shadow the hedgehog. DC just has very little exclusive games.

[QUOTE="Dinonemesis"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhAqYixb5wDarkman2007

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?12077-Dreamcast-in-1080p-through-Atlona-vga-to-hdmi-converter-too-good-to-be-true

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Dinonemesis"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhAqYixb5wDinonemesis

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?12077-Dreamcast-in-1080p-through-Atlona-vga-to-hdmi-converter-too-good-to-be-true

This. The converter doesn't actually make the Dreamcast render in a higher res it'd just upscale the signal (which like Darkman has already mentioned it can actually make it look worse).

technically ,you can do the same thing to other consoles.

Ive seen people using converters to convert Saturn and PS1 RGB into VGA and HDMI. doesn't really look any better, other than the fact a monitor will be sharper than most TVs

although the Saturn is actually capable of VGA natively, its just that Sega did not make a VGA Saturn cable , and thus no games supported it (there are some homebrew demos that do though)

The Gamecube has a lot better games than the Dreamcast imo.

technically ,you can do the same thing to other consoles.

Ive seen people using converters to convert Saturn and PS1 RGB into VGA and HDMI. doesn't really look any better, other than the fact a monitor will be sharper than most TVs

although the Saturn is actually capable of VGA natively, its just that Sega did not make a VGA Saturn cable , and thus no games supported it (there are some homebrew demos that do though)

Darkman2007

Yeah, I've even seen hardware mods on Genesis consoles so that they could play with Component cables, but no console pre xbox is going to play anything above 480p natively.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

technically ,you can do the same thing to other consoles.

Ive seen people using converters to convert Saturn and PS1 RGB into VGA and HDMI. doesn't really look any better, other than the fact a monitor will be sharper than most TVs

although the Saturn is actually capable of VGA natively, its just that Sega did not make a VGA Saturn cable , and thus no games supported it (there are some homebrew demos that do though)

magnax1

Yeah, I've even seen hardware mods on Genesis consoles so that they could play with Component cables, but no console pre xbox is going to play anything above 480p natively.

What I really like about Dreamcast is the VGA support. That extra sharpness really pays off on higher definition sets. I know the geometry may not be as impressive as the ps2, but the overall image quality is much better.

Anybody know if the prices have dropped on the component cables for GC, now that the wii is getting cheaper?

Well I loved Gamecube...

What I really like about Dreamcast is the VGA support. That extra sharpness really pays off on higher definition sets. I know the geometry may not be as impressive as the ps2, but the overall image quality is much better.

Anybody know if the prices have dropped on the component cables for GC, now that the wii is getting cheaper?

Heirren

No, it's still like 70$ or something stupid like that. If you don't have S-Video, try that because it's really close to the same quality as the component cables in 640X480

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

What I really like about Dreamcast is the VGA support. That extra sharpness really pays off on higher definition sets. I know the geometry may not be as impressive as the ps2, but the overall image quality is much better.

Anybody know if the prices have dropped on the component cables for GC, now that the wii is getting cheaper?

magnax1

No, it's still like 70$ or something stupid like that. If you don't have S-Video, try that because it's really close to the same quality as the component cables in 640X480

its quite silly how US Gamecube owners have to pay that much. I can get an RGB SCART cable for the Gamecube for about £5 or a bit more.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

What I really like about Dreamcast is the VGA support. That extra sharpness really pays off on higher definition sets. I know the geometry may not be as impressive as the ps2, but the overall image quality is much better.

Anybody know if the prices have dropped on the component cables for GC, now that the wii is getting cheaper?

Darkman2007

No, it's still like 70$ or something stupid like that. If you don't have S-Video, try that because it's really close to the same quality as the component cables in 640X480

its quite silly how US Gamecube owners have to pay that much. I can get an RGB SCART cable for the Gamecube for about £5 or a bit more.

Yeah, I think it's just because component never really caught on. It seemed as if it was kind of transitional between composite and HDMI because by the time HD really caught on, HDMI was standard in all the televisions.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

No, it's still like 70$ or something stupid like that. If you don't have S-Video, try that because it's really close to the same quality as the component cables in 640X480

magnax1

its quite silly how US Gamecube owners have to pay that much. I can get an RGB SCART cable for the Gamecube for about £5 or a bit more.

Yeah, I think it's just because component never really caught on. It seemed as if it was kind of transitional between composite and HDMI because by the time HD really caught on, HDMI was standard in all the televisions.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

What I really like about Dreamcast is the VGA support. That extra sharpness really pays off on higher definition sets. I know the geometry may not be as impressive as the ps2, but the overall image quality is much better.

Anybody know if the prices have dropped on the component cables for GC, now that the wii is getting cheaper?

magnax1

No, it's still like 70$ or something stupid like that. If you don't have S-Video, try that because it's really close to the same quality as the component cables in 640X480

Yeah, I don't know why I never bothered ordering one from Nintendo when they were available. I figure the price will drop drastically when WiiU arrives and Wiis become dirt cheap. I was going to pick up a wii just for the better output, but since wiiu will be bc w/wii(not gc), I'll just hold off. Strange though, as component was big with xbox/ps2. I've also heard there's a ton of non legit component gc cables.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

What I really like about Dreamcast is the VGA support. That extra sharpness really pays off on higher definition sets. I know the geometry may not be as impressive as the ps2, but the overall image quality is much better.

Anybody know if the prices have dropped on the component cables for GC, now that the wii is getting cheaper?

Heirren

No, it's still like 70$ or something stupid like that. If you don't have S-Video, try that because it's really close to the same quality as the component cables in 640X480

Yeah, I don't know why I never bothered ordering one from Nintendo when they were available. I figure the price will drop drastically when WiiU arrives and Wiis become dirt cheap. I was going to pick up a wii just for the better output, but since wiiu will be bc w/wii(not gc), I'll just hold off. Strange though, as component was big with xbox/ps2. I've also heard there's a ton of non legit component gc cables.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

No, it's still like 70$ or something stupid like that. If you don't have S-Video, try that because it's really close to the same quality as the component cables in 640X480

Darkman2007

Yeah, I don't know why I never bothered ordering one from Nintendo when they were available. I figure the price will drop drastically when WiiU arrives and Wiis become dirt cheap. I was going to pick up a wii just for the better output, but since wiiu will be bc w/wii(not gc), I'll just hold off. Strange though, as component was big with xbox/ps2. I've also heard there's a ton of non legit component gc cables.

That's a good point, but I think more of it had to do with Nintendo not even selling the cable in stores. You had to buy it through their website.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

Yeah, I don't know why I never bothered ordering one from Nintendo when they were available. I figure the price will drop drastically when WiiU arrives and Wiis become dirt cheap. I was going to pick up a wii just for the better output, but since wiiu will be bc w/wii(not gc), I'll just hold off. Strange though, as component was big with xbox/ps2. I've also heard there's a ton of non legit component gc cables.

Heirren

That's a good point, but I think more of it had to do with Nintendo not even selling the cable in stores. You had to buy it through their website.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I reckon component was more common with the PS2/Xbox because people could play DVDs on them. this meant that alot of people used the console as part of a home entertainment system , which increases the chance of them using better video cables with itDarkman2007

That's a good point, but I think more of it had to do with Nintendo not even selling the cable in stores. You had to buy it through their website.

Component cables are not hard to get, other than the dang GC ones.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

That's a good point, but I think more of it had to do with Nintendo not even selling the cable in stores. You had to buy it through their website.

Heirren

Component cables are not hard to get, other than the dang GC ones.

and yet most consoles , and certainly none before the PS2, did not supported it (not without some adapters), wheres most consoles here support RGB.

still S-video is better than composite or RF

I say Dreamcast because I own it now and there are some great titles that back it up.

• Marvel vs. Capcom
• Marvel vs. Capcom 2
• Silent Scope
• Jet Grind Radio
• Crazy Taxi
• Capcom vs. SNK
• Capcom vs. SNK 2
• Soul Calibur
• Sonic Adventure
• Sonic Adventure 2
• Shenmue
• Shenmue 2
• Dead or Alive 2
• Cannon Spike
• Street Fighter III
• Power Stone
• Plasma Sword

I never was a fan of the Gamecube. It lacked 3rd party support and the Zelda game, Wind Waker, looks to cartoonish. Sure it had Twilight Princess but I played it on Wii. Mario Sunshine wasn't great either compared to Mario 64 or Galaxy. Also, if you own a Wii then why buy a Gamecube?

gamecube is probably cheaper, will last longer, will be easier to find, has more games that will be easier to find and they will be cheaper, can play gba games with the gameboy player attachment, cube games will play on most wii's, plenty of the high impact dreamcast games were ported to cube any way, dreamcast controller isnt as comfy as the cube's, novel tiny gamecube discs, cube cases keep better than dreamcast cases...

dreamcast looks pretty, there is also a small community out there somewhere that homebrew for the thing; stuff that can be done with just a pc with a cd burner. its not very impressive last i messed with it, but guilt free modding *shrug. there is something special and rich about the dreamcast's picture too. i dont think its anything technical, but consoles these days seem to have gone the opposite direction with their palette or something, and its worth saying.

It's all really about the games, in the end. So let's see a comparison of libraries...LIST TIME!

Dreamcast:

• Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare
• Army Men: Sarge's Heroes
• Bangai-O
• Blue Stinger
• Capcom vs. SNK
• Carrier
• Crazy Taxi 2
• Daytona USA
• Dead or Alive 2
• Dino Crisis
• Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm
• Dynamite Cop
• Elemental Gimmick Gear (E.G.G.)
• House of the Dead 2
• Gauntlet: Legends
• Giga Wing 1 & 2
• Grandia II
• Gunbird 2
• Gunlord
• Jet Grind Radio
• Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
• Maken X
• Marvel vs. Capcom 1 & 2
• MDK 2
• Metropolis Street Racer
• Mortal Kombat: Gold
• Power Stone 1 & 2
• Quake III: Arena
• Rayman 2
• Record of Lodoss War
• Seaman
• Sega Rally 2
• Sega Smash Pack Vol. 1
• Shenmue 1 & 2
• Soul Calibur
• Space Channel 5
• Spider-Man (2000)
• Star Wars: Episode I: Jedi Power Battles
• Street Fighter III: Third Impact
• Street Fighter Alpha 3
• Sturmwind
• Sword of Berzerk: Guts' Rage
• Test Drive 6
• Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 & 2
• Typing of the Dead
• Unreal Tournament
• Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
• WWF: Attitude
• WWF: Royal Rumble
• Zombie Revenge

GameCube:

• Army Men: Sarge's War
• Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
• Blood Omen 2
• Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of Cortex
• Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat
• Donkey Konga 1 & 2
• Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
• F-Zero GX
• Gauntlet: Dark Legacy
• Geist
• Kirby Air Ride
• Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning
• The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Disc (Zelda Collection)
• The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventure
• The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
• The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
• Luigi's Mansion
• Mario Kart: Double-Dash
• Mega Man Anniversary Collection
• Mega Man X Collection
• Metroid: Prime 1 & 2
• Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
• Mortal Kombat: Deception
• Need for Speed: Most Wanted
• Need For Speed: Underground 1 & 2
• Pac-Man World 2 & 3
• Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
• Resident Evil: Remake
• Resident Evil: Zero
• Resident Evil 4
• Sonic Mega Collection
• Sonic Gems Collection
• Soul Calibur II
• Spider-Man 1 & 2 (The Movie)
• Spyro: A Hero's Tail
• Starfox: Adventures
• Starfox: Assault
• Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 2 & 3
• Street Fighter vs. SNK 2
• Super Mario Sunshine
• Super Smash Bros.: Melee
• Tales of Symphonia
• Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 & 4
• Tony Hawk's Underground
• Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2
• Wario World
• WWE: WrestleMania X-8
• WWE: Day of Reckoning 1 & 2
• X-Men Legends 1 & 2

Mutual Multiplatform Titles on Both Systems:

• Crazy Taxi
• Ikaruga
• Phantasy Star Online
• Resident Evil 2 & 3
• Resident Evil: Code Veronica
• Skies of Arcadia
• Sonic Adventure 1 & 2

Easier to decide which is better when you can see it all laid out before you.

 

 The DC controller is WAY better than the Gamecube anyways.

Talldude80

Blasphemy.