Street Fighter series, Tekken series, Virtua Fighter series, Soul Calibur series, Marvel vs Capcom series, and even the Tobal series (especially Tobal 2) are all winners in my book.
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Of all the games from that era, it's hard to believe that Eternal Champions actually had its own rap song, and from Bone Thugs 'N Harmony. I didn't hear it until recently.
Eternal (The melody is from the game) XD
Yeah, I know Mortal Kombat got its own theme song (it had its own movie), but of all games, I wasn't expecting Eternal Champions, a fairly obscure title, to get its own song.
But its still pretty awesome. Haha.
Eternal Champions are great games for the Sega Genesis and Sega CD and often underated.TerragonSix
Of all the games from that era, it's hard to believe that Eternal Champions actually had its own rap song, and from Bone Thugs 'N Harmony. I didn't hear it until recently.
Eternal (The melody is from the game) XD
Yeah, I know Mortal Kombat got its own theme song (it had its own movie), but of all games, I wasn't expecting Eternal Champions, a fairly obscure title, to get its own song.
But its still pretty awesome. Haha.
Lol nice! Thanks for the post, def love the song. I onlyp layed Eternal Champions a few times, mainly because I never had a genesis of Sega CD, I had an SNES (my first gaming console!!) as a little kid. I really did want a Sega system growing up and I dinally got my wish with the Saturn one Xmas. I def missed out on Eternal Champions, thats for sure!
Street Fighter series, Tekken series, Virtua Fighter series, Soul Calibur series, Marvel vs Capcom series, and even the Tobal series (especially Tobal 2) are all winners in my book.
Koi-Neon-X
All of those series are winners at some level. Tobal and Tobal 2 are games I missed out unfortunately.
I am just curious have you or anyone for that matter checked out the Guilty Gear Series. I have two of their games for the PS2, they are def unique 2d fighters and have a pretty steep learning curve if you are trying to develop skill. I lost interest in them a few weeks after purchasing them.
There was supposed to be an Eternal Champions on the Saturn as well, Sega had planned a trilogy, but Sega felt that they would rather promote only one fighting game, Virtua Fighter 2, on the Saturn, especially in the U.S.Lol nice! Thanks for the post, def love the song. I onlyp layed Eternal Champions a few times, mainly because I never had a genesis of Sega CD, I had an SNES (my first gaming console!!) as a little kid. I really did want a Sega system growing up and I dinally got my wish with the Saturn one Xmas. I def missed out on Eternal Champions, thats for sure!
TheRaiderNation
There was supposed to be an Eternal Champions on the Saturn as well, Sega had planned a trilogy, but Sega felt that they would rather promote only one fighting game, Virtua Fighter 2, on the Saturn, especially in the U.S. yes, Eternal Champions is yet another Sega of America project that got shown the door by the Japanese sadly. Sonic Xtreme was the most famous of these, but there were also plans at one point for a new Comix Zone and a Streets of Rage 4 game was actually being made by Eidos, but due to some disagreements, Eidos removed the SOR4 name and renamed it Fighting Force , releasing it for the PS1 the most ironic thing is that despite these actions from the Japanese, they hardly encouraged 3rd parties to release games in the west, and SOA was by that time in the process of burying the Saturn early. for instance, there were talks between Capcom and Sega about releasing X-men Vs Street Fighter in the west with the RAM cartridge, but Sega refused it since Capcom wanted to increase the price of the game due to the RAM cart being included, instead we got the rubbish PS1 version which makes you tear your hair out at what could have been had Sega been more flexible, There were also talks between Sega and Game Arts about Sega translating Grandia themselves and publishing it for the Saturn under the Sega label, but again SOA eventually passed on the game. and again , the inferior PS1 version is an irony in itself.[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]
Lol nice! Thanks for the post, def love the song. I onlyp layed Eternal Champions a few times, mainly because I never had a genesis of Sega CD, I had an SNES (my first gaming console!!) as a little kid. I really did want a Sega system growing up and I dinally got my wish with the Saturn one Xmas. I def missed out on Eternal Champions, thats for sure!
AcidSoldner
[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]There was supposed to be an Eternal Champions on the Saturn as well, Sega had planned a trilogy, but Sega felt that they would rather promote only one fighting game, Virtua Fighter 2, on the Saturn, especially in the U.S. yes, Eternal Champions is yet another Sega of America project that got shown the door by the Japanese sadly. Sonic Xtreme was the most famous of these, but there were also plans at one point for a new Comix Zone and a Streets of Rage 4 game was actually being made by Eidos, but due to some disagreements, Eidos removed the SOR4 name and renamed it Fighting Force , releasing it for the PS1 the most ironic thing is that despite these actions from the Japanese, they hardly encouraged 3rd parties to release games in the west, and SOA was by that time in the process of burying the Saturn early. for instance, there were talks between Capcom and Sega about releasing X-men Vs Street Fighter in the west with the RAM cartridge, but Sega refused it since Capcom wanted to increase the price of the game due to the RAM cart being included, instead we got the rubbish PS1 version which makes you tear your hair out at what could have been had Sega been more flexible, There were also talks between Sega and Game Arts about Sega translating Grandia themselves and publishing it for the Saturn under the Sega label, but again SOA eventually passed on the game. and again , the inferior PS1 version is an irony in itself.[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]
Lol nice! Thanks for the post, def love the song. I onlyp layed Eternal Champions a few times, mainly because I never had a genesis of Sega CD, I had an SNES (my first gaming console!!) as a little kid. I really did want a Sega system growing up and I dinally got my wish with the Saturn one Xmas. I def missed out on Eternal Champions, thats for sure!
Darkman2007
Wow I never knew about the SOF4 and Fighting Force link, Its def a same Grandia never made it to the Saturn.
It def sycks Street Fighter v.s. X-men made it to the West for the Saturn. I have only played the PS verison a few times, but I would have thought more work with a Saturn State side release would have been much more polished then the the PS verison. The PS verision was so inferior compared to the Arcade verison, no way a stateside Saturn release would have been that bad.
yes, Eternal Champions is yet another Sega of America project that got shown the door by the Japanese sadly. Sonic Xtreme was the most famous of these, but there were also plans at one point for a new Comix Zone and a Streets of Rage 4 game was actually being made by Eidos, but due to some disagreements, Eidos removed the SOR4 name and renamed it Fighting Force , releasing it for the PS1 the most ironic thing is that despite these actions from the Japanese, they hardly encouraged 3rd parties to release games in the west, and SOA was by that time in the process of burying the Saturn early. for instance, there were talks between Capcom and Sega about releasing X-men Vs Street Fighter in the west with the RAM cartridge, but Sega refused it since Capcom wanted to increase the price of the game due to the RAM cart being included, instead we got the rubbish PS1 version which makes you tear your hair out at what could have been had Sega been more flexible, There were also talks between Sega and Game Arts about Sega translating Grandia themselves and publishing it for the Saturn under the Sega label, but again SOA eventually passed on the game. and again , the inferior PS1 version is an irony in itself.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="AcidSoldner"] There was supposed to be an Eternal Champions on the Saturn as well, Sega had planned a trilogy, but Sega felt that they would rather promote only one fighting game, Virtua Fighter 2, on the Saturn, especially in the U.S.
TheRaiderNation
Wow I never knew about the SOF4 and Fighting Force link, Its def a same Grandia never made it to the Saturn.
It def sycks Street Fighter v.s. X-men made it to the West for the Saturn. I have only played the PS verison a few times, but I would have thought more work with a Saturn State side release would have been much more polished then the the PS verison. The PS verision was so inferior compared to the Arcade verison, no way a stateside Saturn release would have been that bad.
the Saturn version is arcade perfect, same with Marvel Superheroes Vs Street Fighter , Vampire Savior/Darkstalkers 3 and Street Fighter Zero/Alpha 3. what do you mean more work ? it would have been identical to the Japanese release.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCxIrSqqA7E
Marvel Vs Street Fighter Saturn
Marvel Vs Street Fighter PS1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdK-KxkIXvk&feature=related
its pretty obvious which is the better port, the PS1 version doesn't even have the full tag team feature in it (unless you use mirror characters) let alone the cuts in animation , speed and huge increase in loading times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCxIrSqqA7E
Marvel Vs Street Fighter Saturn
Marvel Vs Street Fighter PS1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdK-KxkIXvk&feature=related
its pretty obvious which is the better port, the PS1 version doesn't even have the full tag team feature in it (unless you use mirror characters) let alone the cuts in animation , speed and huge increase in loading times.
Darkman2007
Agreed, after watching both of those videos, its pretty clear the Saturn Japanese version is a perfect arcade port while the PS1 version is a shoddy port at best.
You are right, not much work needed for a state side release, a few english translation and it would have been easy to ship a stateside version. Hell, I would have even been fine if they left all the voices in japanese.
Man we missed out, unless you have an import cart, then its just trying to get a copy of the game. I always loved the fact that all you needed to do to play imports on the saturn was purchase a catridge. No modding needed!
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCxIrSqqA7E
Marvel Vs Street Fighter Saturn
Marvel Vs Street Fighter PS1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdK-KxkIXvk&feature=related
its pretty obvious which is the better port, the PS1 version doesn't even have the full tag team feature in it (unless you use mirror characters) let alone the cuts in animation , speed and huge increase in loading times.
TheRaiderNation
Agreed, after watching both of those videos, its pretty clear the Saturn Japanese version is a perfect arcade port while the PS1 version is a shoddy port at best.
You are right, not much work needed for a state side release, a few english translation and it would have been easy to ship a stateside version. Hell, I would have even been fine if they left all the voices in japanese.
Man we missed out, unless you have an import cart, then its just trying to get a copy of the game. I always loved the fact that all you needed to do to play imports on the saturn was purchase a catridge. No modding needed!
actually , even in the Japanese versions of those games, all of the menus are in english , including the options, the only things in Japanese are the endings and winning quotes. now , granted, the Saturn version used the 4MB RAM cartridge, but even if it didn't , it would have still been a much better port then the PS1.another thing I remember regarding these kinds of ports, was Metal Slug.
I remember reading in an old UK Saturn magazine, where they asked the head of SNK (I think , could have been a spokesperson) wheter SNK will bring Metal Slug 2 to the Saturn.
SNK's response was that the game would not be ported to the Saturn due to "the Saturn being unable to handle it"
of course, this didn't stop SNK from releasing Metal Slug X (essentially an upgraded Metal Slug 2) on the PS1.
just to compare the original Metal Slug on both systems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRFG7PgFnGk&feature=related
Metal Slug Saturn
Metal Slug PS1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEGcu4LgsqE
besides loading several times during the level as well as between levels (the Saturn only loads between levels) , the PS1 version is choppier and less animated.
its quite obvious SNK was lying, if they had actually said " the Saturn is dead, we can't make a profit, deal with it" I would have respected them more, but given as they are making excuses, I find it funny.
and they werent the only ones, Core Design claimed Tomb Raider 2 would not run on the Saturn without significant cuts, and Capcom claimed Resident Evil 2 was cancelled for the Saturn due to a similar reason , again , mostly just excuses considering there are games on the Saturn that look better then either of those games.
another thing I remember regarding these kinds of ports, was Metal Slug.
I remember reading in an old UK Saturn magazine, where they asked the head of SNK (I think , could have been a spokesperson) wheter SNK will bring Metal Slug 2 to the Saturn.
SNK's response was that the game would not be ported to the Saturn due to "the Saturn being unable to handle it"
of course, this didn't stop SNK from releasing Metal Slug X (essentially an upgraded Metal Slug 2) on the PS1.
just to compare the original Metal Slug on both systems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRFG7PgFnGk&feature=related
Metal Slug Saturn
Metal Slug PS1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEGcu4LgsqE
besides loading several times during the level as well as between levels (the Saturn only loads between levels) , the PS1 version is choppier and less animated.
its quite obvious SNK was lying, if they had actually said " the Saturn is dead, we can't make a profit, deal with it" I would have respected them more, but given as they are making excuses, I find it funny.
and they werent the only ones, Core Design claimed Tomb Raider 2 would not run on the Saturn without significant cuts, and Capcom claimed Resident Evil 2 was cancelled for the Saturn due to a similar reason , again , mostly just excuses considering there are games on the Saturn that look better then either of those games.
Darkman2007
From watching both of those Metal Slug videos, its pretty obvious the Saturn verison was the better verison of the game. Its unfortunate the Saturn died so early, because had it been thriving, I think you would have seen resident evil 2 and Metal Slug 2 on the saturn.
If you couldn't already tell, I have been a big fan of the Saturn and dreamcast. BY far my two most favorite consoles. I had these systems in middle school and early high school, and that is when I gamed in the most. The fate of the Saturn is unfortunate, I agree with you, it has one of the best libraries out of any system.
Both systems were amazing for the fighter genre (if it only wasn't for that dreamcast controller!!)
That wasn't the only song from that album that used music from Eternal Champions. The original Crossroad song (not the one that got released as a single) also had music from Eternal Champions.Of all the games from that era, it's hard to believe that Eternal Champions actually had its own rap song, and from Bone Thugs 'N Harmony. I didn't hear it until recently.
Eternal (The melody is from the game) XD
Yeah, I know Mortal Kombat got its own theme song (it had its own movie), but of all games, I wasn't expecting Eternal Champions, a fairly obscure title, to get its own song.
But its still pretty awesome. Haha.
TerragonSix
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]
another thing I remember regarding these kinds of ports, was Metal Slug.
I remember reading in an old UK Saturn magazine, where they asked the head of SNK (I think , could have been a spokesperson) wheter SNK will bring Metal Slug 2 to the Saturn.
SNK's response was that the game would not be ported to the Saturn due to "the Saturn being unable to handle it"
of course, this didn't stop SNK from releasing Metal Slug X (essentially an upgraded Metal Slug 2) on the PS1.
just to compare the original Metal Slug on both systems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRFG7PgFnGk&feature=related
Metal Slug Saturn
Metal Slug PS1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEGcu4LgsqE
besides loading several times during the level as well as between levels (the Saturn only loads between levels) , the PS1 version is choppier and less animated.
its quite obvious SNK was lying, if they had actually said " the Saturn is dead, we can't make a profit, deal with it" I would have respected them more, but given as they are making excuses, I find it funny.
and they werent the only ones, Core Design claimed Tomb Raider 2 would not run on the Saturn without significant cuts, and Capcom claimed Resident Evil 2 was cancelled for the Saturn due to a similar reason , again , mostly just excuses considering there are games on the Saturn that look better then either of those games.
TheRaiderNation
From watching both of those Metal Slug videos, its pretty obvious the Saturn verison was the better verison of the game. Its unfortunate the Saturn died so early, because had it been thriving, I think you would have seen resident evil 2 and Metal Slug 2 on the saturn.
If you couldn't already tell, I have been a big fan of the Saturn and dreamcast. BY far my two most favorite consoles. I had these systems in middle school and early high school, and that is when I gamed in the most. The fate of the Saturn is unfortunate, I agree with you, it has one of the best libraries out of any system.
Both systems were amazing for the fighter genre (if it only wasn't for that dreamcast controller!!)
frankly as far as Im concerned, the Saturn has the best fighting game library in its generation, both 2D and 3DMy favorite Fighting series is Mortal Kombat. Just for the over the top Violence/finish moves etc. I will be getting the new re-booted Mortal Kombat game. I'm glad that they have decided to restart Mortal Kombat.
The way I remember, or lived through it, the arcades died out due to the 32-bit generation. When the Saturn and PS1 came out there games were look ever so much closer to the arcade, which took away a lot reason to go the arcade when you can wait for a fighter to get released to a home console.
I don't know about on the west coast, but I can atest that in the midwest Mortal Kombat really branched out overtaking the fighting game popularity in the early to mid 90s.
Street Fighter did create the forumla for which a lot of different fighting games took away from including the MK series, but Midway went a step further when they use actors and digitized their sprites for their characters, that made the game look real and much better than the fighters that were out at the time in 1992.
Mortal Kombat II build right off the success of the original and was even better, and by 1995 MK3 was the most sought after release, it kept the Arcades in business.
I don't recall any new Street Fighter arcades being added to the Aladdin's Castle arcade at the mall I use to visit as a child other than the old Street Fighter II.
But that arcade had every new MK all the way up to Ultimate MK3, where they had two of the units.
There was Virtua Fighter, Killer Instinct and then upgraded to KI2. Soul Edge, X-Men Chlidren of the Atom to Marvel vs Capcom.
But for some time MK arcades were the most popular machines, till Tekken began to grow in popularity, I think starting with Tekken 2 cause I never saw the original Tekken arcade present. But I do remember them having Tekken 3 center staged when that game came out, and by that time MK was old hat, I don't think they ever brought MK4 in, if they did I didn't play it.
To the home consoles, I think games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat did acceptionally well, especially Street Fighter II sales in Japan on SNES. But in the West the Mortal Kombat series did much better in sales particularly on the Genesis. But by the mid to late 90s every one I knew where playing either Virtua Fighter or Tekken, mostly Tekken. The 2D fighters had gone to the waste side with the old 16-bit systems, and the PS1 and Saturn versions of those games weren't big sellers as the 3D titles.
The way I remember, or lived through it, the arcades died out due to the 32-bit generation. When the Saturn and PS1 came out there games were look ever so much closer to the arcade, which took away a lot reason to go the arcade when you can wait for a fighter to get released to a home console.
I don't know about on the west coast, but I can atest that in the midwest Mortal Kombat really branched out overtaking the fighting game popularity in the early to mid 90s.Street Fighter did create the forumla for which a lot of different fighting games took away from including the MK series, but Midway went a step further when they use actors and digitized their sprites for their characters, that made the game look real and much better than the fighters that were out at the time in 1992.
Mortal Kombat II build right off the success of the original and was even better, and by 1995 MK3 was the most sought after release, it kept the Arcades in business.
I don't recall any new Street Fighter arcades being added to the Aladdin's Castle arcade at the mall I use to visit as a child other than the old Street Fighter II.
But that arcade had every new MK all the way up to Ultimate MK3, where they had two of the units.There was Virtua Fighter, Killer Instinct and then upgraded to KI2. Soul Edge, X-Men Chlidren of the Atom to Marvel vs Capcom.
But for some time MK arcades were the most popular machines, till Tekken began to grow in popularity, I think starting with Tekken 2 cause I never saw the original Tekken arcade present. But I do remember them having Tekken 3 center staged when that game came out, and by that time MK was old hat, I don't think they ever brought MK4 in, if they did I didn't play it.
To the home consoles, I think games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat did acceptionally well, especially Street Fighter II sales in Japan on SNES. But in the West the Mortal Kombat series did much better in sales particularly on the Genesis. But by the mid to late 90s every one I knew where playing either Virtua Fighter or Tekken, mostly Tekken. The 2D fighters had gone to the waste side with the old 16-bit systems, and the PS1 and Saturn versions of those games weren't big sellers as the 3D titles.
clsmithj
Thanks for the post. I agree with you, after the initial populatiry of Street Fighter II, I think the MK series took over in popularity both at the arcades and the consoles. I was very young during that time, def not old enough to hit any arcades in the early 90s. I am not too sure about what sold well at that time, but I know the 2d fighters I had for the saturn were absolutely amazing at that time.
I figured I'd resurrecte this thread, only because I recently got Fighters Megamix for the saturn and really starting playing it the last few days. I really don't know how I missed it back in the day. One of the best fighters on the saturn in my opinion. Its got a great roster, solid fighter mechanics and pretty solid graphics for its time.
Fighters Megamix is a good game, certainly has an....interesting roster, I mean which other game has a Daytona car and a giant green duck as playable characters graphically its ok , but I prefer the high res look of Dead Or Alive or Last Bronx as opposed to the low res look of FIghters Megamix. I obviously understand why the resolution is lower, because the arenas have 3D walls around them , but it does make the game look a bit grainy.I figured I'd resurrecte this thread, only because I recently got Fighters Megamix for the saturn and really starting playing it the last few days. I really don't know how I missed it back in the day. One of the best fighters on the saturn in my opinion. Its got a great roster, solid fighter mechanics and pretty solid graphics for its time.
TheRaiderNation
And just so nobody thinks Im lying regarding the insane characters
and the 3D wall ,which actually plays into the gameplay as far as beating people into it :P
I liked MK vs DC Universe. I owned it for a while and got what I could out of it. Then I sold it. I wasn't in love with it enough to hold on to it and keep coming back to it for years to come but it was a decent game. It was definitely a step in a better direction for MK then in previous titles. People hated it because it wasn't a traditional MK fighting game but what people don't understan is it wasn't just an MK game and DC Comics was very against all the gore and brutality that comes with MK. They only ageed to do it if they toned down the violence. Thats what I heard anyway that it was mostly DC's fault. I think now Ed Boon regrets doing it but he shouldn't because it wasn't a bad game. I think DC should join up with Marvel and Capcom if they were to do another fighting game because DC characters would be best represented in a game with Marvel and Capcom. You know or with just Capcom whatever. They could do Marvel vs DC or DC vs Capcom or Marvel/DC vs Capcom. I would love to play the Green Lantern in a game like MVC3. I'm not so sure if I like the idea of the SF vs Tekken idea or the other way around because they said they are doing two games probably one with Tekken in SF's world and one with SF in Tekken's world. I don't think that will make a good fighting game only because both worlds play completely different from each other. Its gonna be interesting to see how they make this work.[QUOTE="Foulcry"][QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]
I will agree Soul Caliber and Soul Calibur 2 are def the best in the series. I still like 4, I thought it represented the series pretty well on the current generation of consoles. The character roster was great and I liked the addition of the Star Wars Character. Despite wishing Darth Vader was faster, I still enjoy using him.
As far as speed goes, a large part of soul calibur is defense and counter attacks. At least it seems that style of play works the best with the characters I use. But compared to MK, SF, and VF, yes it is a little slower paced.
Despite what alot of people have said, I think the MK series has been solid all along, even recently. I never understood why people disliked DC vs MK so much. Yes, I will admit I was disappointed that the gore was toned down, but it still played well. And since I am a huge DC fan, I really liked fighter the MK guys as Batman, the joker and Superman. I liked that the series really tried to go in the 3d direction with both PS2 titles, I enjoyed both Deadly Alliance and Armageddon. I don't think it failed at all on that front, but I understand why MK fans the series to go back to its 2D roots.
And Darkman, you def have to play JoJo's Bizzare Adventure. Sure it wasn't the best Fighter on the dreamcast (Very tough competition) but it was an interesting fighter for sure and the gameplay won't disappoint
TheRaiderNation
While I don't think it would every happen DC/Marvel v.s. Capcom would really be amazing, but realistically I don't see why they couldn't do a straight Marvel vs DC for the current systems. The rosters would mess very well! Who would not want to see Batmen face off agianst captian America, the possiblities are endless!
I am not a huge fan of the idea of Tekken v.s. SF, I just don't think the characters mess well. Then again this may also be because I am not a huge tekken fan. I would imagine Tekken fans are pretty pumped about this game coming out in the near future.
I do own Tekken 6, maybe I will try to get into it. I bought it mainly to try to get into the series, but I just lost interest quickly. What is funny is I actually bought the tekken 6/arcade joystick edition when it dropped in price last year. I really bought it mainly for the joystick as it is pretty identical to the others out there, but was cheaper at the time.
*points to sig*I have always been an avid fighting game fan. My favorite series a kid was Mortal Kombat. Mortal Kombat 2 an 3 are my favorites. Trilogy was awesome. Mortal Kombat 4 was awesome and played a lot like 3. MK4 is underrated.
I like Street fighter, Tekken, Soul Edge/Calibur, Killer Instinct, Guilty Gear, and Blazblue. It is too bad Rare won't make Killer Instinct 3 for 360.
Toshinden was cool for awhile. The third one just ran into the whole quantity over quality problem. Sure there were 30 characters, but most of them were just costume swaps. Judgment was just a swap of David. Ten Count was a swap of Kayin, and Vermillion was a swap of Nagasi.
[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"][QUOTE="jwn25"]
I'm planning on getting hold of battle area toshinden when I get the bones. Is it worth getting or should I look for other titles first?
Darkman2007
I wasn't a huge an of battle area toshinden, but I think mainly because I felt it was a virtual fighter knock off. Everything it was trying to do, the virtual fighter series did better. Keep in mind its only my opinion, I am sure there are gamers out there that prefer that game over virtual fighter
Virtua Fighter and Toshinden are so far apart its silly to even compare them thats like comparing Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive , completly different type of fighitng game. if anything I would have compared Toshinden to Soul Blade on the PS1. if anything , I would say Tekken was a VF rip off, just one that did very well.Toshinden is not like Soul Blade at all. Yes, in both games the characters use weapons, but that is where the comparison ends. Toshinden plays more like Street Fighter and Fatal Fury. Soul edge was pure hand to hand, or in this case weapon to weapon with no projectiles. In Toshinden there are weak and strong attacks. In Soul Edge, There is a vertical and a horizontal slash. The way moves are executed in both games are completely different. In Toshinden, you rely on circular motions with the D-pad to to perform moves similar to SF, MK, Fatal Fury and the like. There were some moves in Soul Edge that used circular motions with the D-pad as well, but it was mostly chaining the vertical and horizontal slash together, to do combos. There is very little overlap between the 2 games.
Virtua Fighter and Toshinden are so far apart its silly to even compare them thats like comparing Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive , completly different type of fighitng game. if anything I would have compared Toshinden to Soul Blade on the PS1. if anything , I would say Tekken was a VF rip off, just one that did very well.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]
I wasn't a huge an of battle area toshinden, but I think mainly because I felt it was a virtual fighter knock off. Everything it was trying to do, the virtual fighter series did better. Keep in mind its only my opinion, I am sure there are gamers out there that prefer that game over virtual fighter
gamenerd15
Toshinden is not like Soul Blade at all. Yes, in both games the characters use weapons, but that is where the comparison ends. Toshinden plays more like Street Fighter and Fatal Fury. Soul edge was pure hand to hand, or in this case weapon to weapon with no projectiles. In Toshinden there are weak and strong attacks. In Soul Edge, There is a vertical and a horizontal slash. The way moves are executed in both games are completely different. In Toshinden, you rely on circular motions with the D-pad to to perform moves similar to SF, MK, Fatal Fury and the like. There were some moves in Soul Edge that used circular motions with the D-pad as well, but it was mostly chaining the vertical and horizontal slash together, to do combos. There is very little overlap between the 2 games.
Toshinden is still closer to Soul Blade then it is to Virtua Fighter , which was the whole point.[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"][QUOTE="jwn25"]
I'm planning on getting hold of battle area toshinden when I get the bones. Is it worth getting or should I look for other titles first?
Darkman2007
I wasn't a huge an of battle area toshinden, but I think mainly because I felt it was a virtual fighter knock off. Everything it was trying to do, the virtual fighter series did better. Keep in mind its only my opinion, I am sure there are gamers out there that prefer that game over virtual fighter
Virtua Fighter and Toshinden are so far apart its silly to even compare them thats like comparing Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive , completly different type of fighitng game. if anything I would have compared Toshinden to Soul Blade on the PS1. if anything , I would say Tekken was a VF rip off, just one that did very well.I would disagree that Tekken was a rip off of Virtua Fighter. While it is true that Tekken was inspired by Virtua Fighter no doubt, it still is different enough not to be called a rip off. The first 2 Tekkens do not stand the test of time by today's standards but neither do the first 2 VF games either. To say that the first 2 Tekkens or any of them are button mashers is a misstep altogether.
[QUOTE="gamenerd15"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Virtua Fighter and Toshinden are so far apart its silly to even compare them thats like comparing Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive , completly different type of fighitng game. if anything I would have compared Toshinden to Soul Blade on the PS1. if anything , I would say Tekken was a VF rip off, just one that did very well.Darkman2007
Toshinden is not like Soul Blade at all. Yes, in both games the characters use weapons, but that is where the comparison ends. Toshinden plays more like Street Fighter and Fatal Fury. Soul edge was pure hand to hand, or in this case weapon to weapon with no projectiles. In Toshinden there are weak and strong attacks. In Soul Edge, There is a vertical and a horizontal slash. The way moves are executed in both games are completely different. In Toshinden, you rely on circular motions with the D-pad to to perform moves similar to SF, MK, Fatal Fury and the like. There were some moves in Soul Edge that used circular motions with the D-pad as well, but it was mostly chaining the vertical and horizontal slash together, to do combos. There is very little overlap between the 2 games.
Toshinden is still closer to Soul Blade then it is to Virtua Fighter , which was the whole point.Each one is equally far apart from one another. Neither VF, Soul Blade, or Toshinden have that much in common, which makes them all worth a look.
Virtua Fighter and Toshinden are so far apart its silly to even compare them thats like comparing Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive , completly different type of fighitng game. if anything I would have compared Toshinden to Soul Blade on the PS1. if anything , I would say Tekken was a VF rip off, just one that did very well.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]
I wasn't a huge an of battle area toshinden, but I think mainly because I felt it was a virtual fighter knock off. Everything it was trying to do, the virtual fighter series did better. Keep in mind its only my opinion, I am sure there are gamers out there that prefer that game over virtual fighter
gamenerd15
I would disagree that Tekken was a rip off of Virtua Fighter. While it is true that Tekken was inspired by Virtua Fighter no doubt, it still is different enough not to be called a rip off. The first 2 Tekkens do not stand the test of time by today's standards but neither do the first 2 VF games either. To say that the first 2 Tekkens or any of them are button mashers is a misstep altogether.
well I certainly don't find Tekken 1 and 2 to be as responsive as the later games anyways. and as fas as Im concenred , Virtua Fighter 2 is a far better game then the first 2 Tekken games, actually its better then the whole Tekken series as far as Im concerned, but thats only because I dislike the Tekken series in general (with the exception of Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag) bundling the first and 2nd VF games is hilarious as they are quite far apart, I wonder, did you play the first two Virtua Fighter games btw? and by calling Tekken a rip off, I meant the first game, the later games branched out more to become a respectable franchise.I always felt the fighting genre is a great way to introduce people into gaming, I mean fighting games are simple enough for anyone to pick up and play and fights don't last long but leave a good impression that only grows. That's essentially how I was introduced to gaming, from games like Street Fighter and Fatal Fury. The genre is still close to my heart to this day and my favourite all time fighting game has to be Tekken Tag Tournament, I love the Tekken series but TTT is THE definitive fighter as far as Im concerned. My other favourite franchise is Guilty Gear, over-the-top style and gameplay of the series never got old with me.
[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]Fighters Megamix is a good game, certainly has an....interesting roster, I mean which other game has a Daytona car and a giant green duck as playable characters graphically its ok , but I prefer the high res look of Dead Or Alive or Last Bronx as opposed to the low res look of FIghters Megamix. I obviously understand why the resolution is lower, because the arenas have 3D walls around them , but it does make the game look a bit grainy.I figured I'd resurrecte this thread, only because I recently got Fighters Megamix for the saturn and really starting playing it the last few days. I really don't know how I missed it back in the day. One of the best fighters on the saturn in my opinion. Its got a great roster, solid fighter mechanics and pretty solid graphics for its time.
Darkman2007
The screenshots you posted def show the models are grainy. I have Dead of Alive, that game is much pretty graphically. But still all things considered, Fighters megamix is not bad graphically, esp for its time.
It feels very strange fighting as a Daytona Car. I am working on perfecting some of the moves so I can beat the game with the car.
Fighters Megamix is a good game, certainly has an....interesting roster, I mean which other game has a Daytona car and a giant green duck as playable characters graphically its ok , but I prefer the high res look of Dead Or Alive or Last Bronx as opposed to the low res look of FIghters Megamix. I obviously understand why the resolution is lower, because the arenas have 3D walls around them , but it does make the game look a bit grainy.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]
I figured I'd resurrecte this thread, only because I recently got Fighters Megamix for the saturn and really starting playing it the last few days. I really don't know how I missed it back in the day. One of the best fighters on the saturn in my opinion. Its got a great roster, solid fighter mechanics and pretty solid graphics for its time.
TheRaiderNation
The screenshots you posted def show the models are grainy. I have Dead of Alive, that game is much pretty graphically. But still all things considered, Fighters megamix is not bad graphically, esp for its time.
It feels very strange fighting as a Daytona Car. I am working on perfecting some of the moves so I can beat the game with the car.
well the game basically swaps the high resolution for some effects and a 3D wall.[QUOTE="gamenerd15"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Virtua Fighter and Toshinden are so far apart its silly to even compare them thats like comparing Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive , completly different type of fighitng game. if anything I would have compared Toshinden to Soul Blade on the PS1. if anything , I would say Tekken was a VF rip off, just one that did very well.Darkman2007
I would disagree that Tekken was a rip off of Virtua Fighter. While it is true that Tekken was inspired by Virtua Fighter no doubt, it still is different enough not to be called a rip off. The first 2 Tekkens do not stand the test of time by today's standards but neither do the first 2 VF games either. To say that the first 2 Tekkens or any of them are button mashers is a misstep altogether.
well I certainly don't find Tekken 1 and 2 to be as responsive as the later games anyways. and as fas as Im concenred , Virtua Fighter 2 is a far better game then the first 2 Tekken games, actually its better then the whole Tekken series as far as Im concerned, but thats only because I dislike the Tekken series in general (with the exception of Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag) bundling the first and 2nd VF games is hilarious as they are quite far apart, I wonder, did you play the first two Virtua Fighter games btw? and by calling Tekken a rip off, I meant the first game, the later games branched out more to become a respectable franchise.Aren't you doing the same by lumping Tekken 1 and 2 together? Tekken 2 was a big improvement over the first in many ways. For example, Kunimitsu had some of her own moves while shareing similarities with Yoshimitsu. They added spinning kicks to Kazuya's signature uppercut move. The takedown move was added. This move lets players punch someone in the face when he or she is down. P Jack was similar to regular Jack but had some of his own moves as well. Tekken 2 while still slow was faster than the first. The controls were responsive, but The first 2 games were just slow overall. Devil Kazuya became his own character in Tekken 2. I also find it funny that you think Tekken 1 and 2 are similar.
Yes I have played VF, but I just didn't own any games within the series. I haven't owned a Sega system since Genesis. I had 32X, but that add on went nowhere. I don't dislike VF, I just don't know it very well. I guess it isn't fair for me to talk about the first 2 games if I do not know them very well, but you also hold a bias for VF, so it is fair for you to talk about Tekken 1 and 2? If Sega puts out a Dreamcast or Saturn collection on a newer system, I might be interested in playing the games. Sega's downloadable DC games have kind of gone south. They only put up Sonic Adventure 1 and Crazy Taxi.
well I certainly don't find Tekken 1 and 2 to be as responsive as the later games anyways. and as fas as Im concenred , Virtua Fighter 2 is a far better game then the first 2 Tekken games, actually its better then the whole Tekken series as far as Im concerned, but thats only because I dislike the Tekken series in general (with the exception of Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag) bundling the first and 2nd VF games is hilarious as they are quite far apart, I wonder, did you play the first two Virtua Fighter games btw? and by calling Tekken a rip off, I meant the first game, the later games branched out more to become a respectable franchise.[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="gamenerd15"]
I would disagree that Tekken was a rip off of Virtua Fighter. While it is true that Tekken was inspired by Virtua Fighter no doubt, it still is different enough not to be called a rip off. The first 2 Tekkens do not stand the test of time by today's standards but neither do the first 2 VF games either. To say that the first 2 Tekkens or any of them are button mashers is a misstep altogether.
gamenerd15
Aren't you doing the same by lumping Tekken 1 and 2 together? Tekken 2 was a big improvement over the first in many ways. For example, Kunimitsu had some of her own moves while shareing similarities with Yoshimitsu. They added spinning kicks to Kazuya's signature uppercut move. The takedown move was added. This move lets players punch someone in the face when he or she is down. P Jack was similar to regular Jack but had some of his own moves as well. Tekken 2 while still slow was faster than the first. The controls were responsive, but The first 2 games were just slow overall. Devil Kazuya became his own character in Tekken 2. I also find it funny that you think Tekken 1 and 2 are similar.
Yes I have played VF, but I just didn't own any games within the series. I haven't owned a Sega system since Genesis. I had 32X, but that add on went nowhere. I don't dislike VF, I just don't know it very well. I guess it isn't fair for me to talk about the first 2 games if I do not know them very well, but you also hold a bias for VF, so it is fair for you to talk about Tekken 1 and 2? If Sega puts out a Dreamcast or Saturn collection on a newer system, I might be interested in playing the games. Sega's downloadable DC games have kind of gone south. They only put up Sonic Adventure 1 and Crazy Taxi.
well, I own the arcade versions of Tekken 1 and Tekken 2 as part of Tekken 5 , and have played the PS1 versions (which look basically identical due to using a PS1 arcade board) , so I do have some experience with the game to form some opinion of it. I also own Tekken 3 both on the PS1 and via Tekken 5, and obviously I own Tekken 5.
I also own all of the main VF games, along with Fighters Megamix.
if you read any of my posts , you will see I did admit Tekken 2 was an imporvement over the first, I hated the first wheres I can stand the 2nd, Its Tekken 3 that I actually find to be good. I never once said Tekken 2 was exactly the same was Tekken 1, I admitted it was improved , I just don't find it to be a that good so I bundle it with Tekken 1 into the "games Im not fond of " list
the main differences between VF1 and VF2 are quite significant, besides the 2 characters added, there are various moves added to each character , the frame rate is smoother and faster, and the graphics make the game look like its running on a different system, and frankly outdo the later Tekken 2 (Tekken 3 does out do it though in that department but thats to be expected as its several years newer)
and Im not sure what you mean by bias against Tekken? I own the games, played them didn't like them, I mean what do you want me to do , frame the disc and hang it on a wall? in fact, I tried playing Tekken 1 again a few days ago because I thought I may have been wrong, but I could not stand it for more then 5 minutes.
[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well I certainly don't find Tekken 1 and 2 to be as responsive as the later games anyways. and as fas as Im concenred , Virtua Fighter 2 is a far better game then the first 2 Tekken games, actually its better then the whole Tekken series as far as Im concerned, but thats only because I dislike the Tekken series in general (with the exception of Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag) bundling the first and 2nd VF games is hilarious as they are quite far apart, I wonder, did you play the first two Virtua Fighter games btw? and by calling Tekken a rip off, I meant the first game, the later games branched out more to become a respectable franchise.Darkman2007
Aren't you doing the same by lumping Tekken 1 and 2 together? Tekken 2 was a big improvement over the first in many ways. For example, Kunimitsu had some of her own moves while shareing similarities with Yoshimitsu. They added spinning kicks to Kazuya's signature uppercut move. The takedown move was added. This move lets players punch someone in the face when he or she is down. P Jack was similar to regular Jack but had some of his own moves as well. Tekken 2 while still slow was faster than the first. The controls were responsive, but The first 2 games were just slow overall. Devil Kazuya became his own character in Tekken 2. I also find it funny that you think Tekken 1 and 2 are similar.
Yes I have played VF, but I just didn't own any games within the series. I haven't owned a Sega system since Genesis. I had 32X, but that add on went nowhere. I don't dislike VF, I just don't know it very well. I guess it isn't fair for me to talk about the first 2 games if I do not know them very well, but you also hold a bias for VF, so it is fair for you to talk about Tekken 1 and 2? If Sega puts out a Dreamcast or Saturn collection on a newer system, I might be interested in playing the games. Sega's downloadable DC games have kind of gone south. They only put up Sonic Adventure 1 and Crazy Taxi.
well, I own the arcade versions of Tekken 1 and Tekken 2 as part of Tekken 5 , and have played the PS1 versions (which look basically identical due to using a PS1 arcade board) , so I do have some experience with the game to form some opinion of it. I also own Tekken 3 both on the PS1 and via Tekken 5, and obviously I own Tekken 5.
I also own all of the main VF games, along with Fighters Megamix.
if you read any of my posts , you will see I did admit Tekken 2 was an imporvement over the first, I hated the first wheres I can stand the 2nd, Its Tekken 3 that I actually find to be good. I never once said Tekken 2 was exactly the same was Tekken 1, I admitted it was improved , I just don't find it to be a that good so I bundle it with Tekken 1 into the "games Im not fond of " list
the main differences between VF1 and VF2 are quite significant, besides the 2 characters added, there are various moves added to each character , the frame rate is smoother and faster, and the graphics make the game look like its running on a different system, and frankly outdo the later Tekken 2 (Tekken 3 does out do it though in that department but thats to be expected as its several years newer)
and Im not sure what you mean by bias against Tekken? I own the games, played them didn't like them, I mean what do you want me to do , frame the disc and hang it on a wall? in fact, I tried playing Tekken 1 again a few days ago because I thought I may have been wrong, but I could not stand it for more then 5 minutes.
I never lumped VF 1 and 2 completely. I just said that the first 2 games don't stand up to today's standards. If I am going to play VF, then I will just play the fourth or fifth one. You assumed my statement was saying that the first 2 games were identical. I don't hate either Tekken or VF. The only Fighter I could not stand was War Gods. That game was god awful.
I suck at fighting games so I try to avoid them. Memorizing combos has never been something that I enjoy or am good at. I tried playing Tekken 6 and could not for the life of me get into it. The combo list for each character is insanely long and would probably take me weeks to learn for just a single character. To me, a good fighting game is one that you can pick up as a newcomer and still have fun even if you've never played a fighting game in your life. Super Smash Brothers had that formula nailed and It's my favorite fighting game because of it.CattailCat
There def are fighters that don't cater to people new to the genre, but most fighters only take a little practice to get the hang of the combos and special moves.
I have a good friend that I recently got into the fighter genre, he had the same complaints you had about the genre. For him, Soul CaliburIV was a great entry game into the genre. The combo system and special moves are not all that complex compared to otehr games in the genre. Also, the game has a heavy emphasis on counter attacks, which once you get the hang of, you really don't need to chain combos to win matches.
I do not have that much experience with Tekken 6, but from what I played of it, I was too successful with button mashing. I had trouble getting into it and I am a huge fan of the fighter genre.
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[QUOTE="Foulcry"]
I'd say the worst fighting game I ever owned was Street Fighter: The Movie. God that game was bad.
AcidSoldner
the worst fighting game I own is Dragonball Z Shin Butouden on the Saturn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tOom4xqOFo
some people apparently like this game, but I think its bloody awful , very sluggish controls, very strange frame rate (its not slow , but it feels choppy) , and the graphics/animation are pretty bad considering the Saturn's 2D.
actually, other then the colours, Im quite confident the SNES or Mega Drive could have done this game very well
Most Dragonball Z fighting games are crap. Aside from the Budokai/Tenkaichi series on the Ps2 the only other Dragonball Z fighting game I enjoyed was Hyper Dimension on the SNES.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=galGF7gHZ0Q
Dragonball Z Budokai 3 was amazing!!! One of my favorite fighters ever. Also I love all types of fighting series like Tekken, SF, MK, and other ones that were already mentioned. As for a favorite series, it's a two way tie between MK and Tekken for me!!!
[QUOTE="CattailCat"]I suck at fighting games so I try to avoid them. Memorizing combos has never been something that I enjoy or am good at. I tried playing Tekken 6 and could not for the life of me get into it. The combo list for each character is insanely long and would probably take me weeks to learn for just a single character. To me, a good fighting game is one that you can pick up as a newcomer and still have fun even if you've never played a fighting game in your life. Super Smash Brothers had that formula nailed and It's my favorite fighting game because of it.TheRaiderNation
There def are fighters that don't cater to people new to the genre, but most fighters only take a little practice to get the hang of the combos and special moves.
I have a good friend that I recently got into the fighter genre, he had the same complaints you had about the genre. For him, Soul CaliburIV was a great entry game into the genre. The combo system and special moves are not all that complex compared to otehr games in the genre. Also, the game has a heavy emphasis on counter attacks, which once you get the hang of, you really don't need to chain combos to win matches.
I do not have that much experience with Tekken 6, but from what I played of it, I was too successful with button mashing. I had trouble getting into it and I am a huge fan of the fighter genre.
If want to get into the Tekken series, personally I think you should try Tekken Tag Tournament for PS2 if you have one. That was my first Tekken game I ever played and in my opinion was the best. I liked Tekken 6 when I had it for PSP but it felt like a letdown compared to previous Tekken's and not because it was for PSP since I thought Dark Resurrection was way better, but that's just me lol.[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"][QUOTE="CattailCat"]I suck at fighting games so I try to avoid them. Memorizing combos has never been something that I enjoy or am good at. I tried playing Tekken 6 and could not for the life of me get into it. The combo list for each character is insanely long and would probably take me weeks to learn for just a single character. To me, a good fighting game is one that you can pick up as a newcomer and still have fun even if you've never played a fighting game in your life. Super Smash Brothers had that formula nailed and It's my favorite fighting game because of it.flowersjf
There def are fighters that don't cater to people new to the genre, but most fighters only take a little practice to get the hang of the combos and special moves.
I have a good friend that I recently got into the fighter genre, he had the same complaints you had about the genre. For him, Soul CaliburIV was a great entry game into the genre. The combo system and special moves are not all that complex compared to otehr games in the genre. Also, the game has a heavy emphasis on counter attacks, which once you get the hang of, you really don't need to chain combos to win matches.
I do not have that much experience with Tekken 6, but from what I played of it, I was too successful with button mashing. I had trouble getting into it and I am a huge fan of the fighter genre.
If want to get into the Tekken series, personally I think you should try Tekken Tag Tournament for PS2 if you have one. That was my first Tekken game I ever played and in my opinion was the best. I liked Tekken 6 when I had it for PSP but it felt like a letdown compared to previous Tekken's and not because it was for PSP since I thought Dark Resurrection was way better, but that's just me lol.I completely agree, Tekken Tag Tournament for the PS2 is well done. In fact, thats my favorite game of the series and I think its pretty easy to get into
If want to get into the Tekken series, personally I think you should try Tekken Tag Tournament for PS2 if you have one. That was my first Tekken game I ever played and in my opinion was the best. I liked Tekken 6 when I had it for PSP but it felt like a letdown compared to previous Tekken's and not because it was for PSP since I thought Dark Resurrection was way better, but that's just me lol.[QUOTE="flowersjf"][QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"]
There def are fighters that don't cater to people new to the genre, but most fighters only take a little practice to get the hang of the combos and special moves.
I have a good friend that I recently got into the fighter genre, he had the same complaints you had about the genre. For him, Soul CaliburIV was a great entry game into the genre. The combo system and special moves are not all that complex compared to otehr games in the genre. Also, the game has a heavy emphasis on counter attacks, which once you get the hang of, you really don't need to chain combos to win matches.
I do not have that much experience with Tekken 6, but from what I played of it, I was too successful with button mashing. I had trouble getting into it and I am a huge fan of the fighter genre.
TheRaiderNation
I completely agree, Tekken Tag Tournament for the PS2 is well done. In fact, thats my favorite game of the series and I think its pretty easy to get into
Definitely and the unlockables were endless!!! Something you don't see in fighting games very often.
[QUOTE="TheRaiderNation"][QUOTE="flowersjf"] If want to get into the Tekken series, personally I think you should try Tekken Tag Tournament for PS2 if you have one. That was my first Tekken game I ever played and in my opinion was the best. I liked Tekken 6 when I had it for PSP but it felt like a letdown compared to previous Tekken's and not because it was for PSP since I thought Dark Resurrection was way better, but that's just me lol.flowersjf
I completely agree, Tekken Tag Tournament for the PS2 is well done. In fact, thats my favorite game of the series and I think its pretty easy to get into
Definitely and the unlockables were endless!!! Something you don't see in fighting games very often.An insane amount of unlockables, it took me a long time to unlock everything, and its not because it was overly difficult to do so, there was just so much to unlock!
Garou: Mark of the Wolfes
Street fighter III: 3rd Strike
Guilty Gear X2 Reload
Tekken 3
Soul Calibur (DC)
Street fighter 2: Turbo Edition (SNES)
The entire Fatal Fury series, including Real Bout.
Lucianu
Soul Calibur for the DC was amazing, as you could tell from my initial post, that game is my favorite figher.
I never really got into the the Fatal fury of guilty gear X series. I just recently bought a Fatal Fury collection game for the PS2 as well as Guilty gear X. I haven't really played either, but eventually I plan to get into both games.
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