Final Fantasy VII or Final Fantasy VI..

I have always wondered which is better. I've beaten both and like both. Which do you think isbetter? Or do you like anouther one better?

FFVI by a long shot. My favorite is Final Fantasy Tactics War of the Lions (PSP version because of the better translation). My favorites are:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics (PSP version because of the better translation)
2. Final Fantasy VI
3. Final Fantasy IX
4. Final Fantasy XII
5. Final Fantasy VIII

Final Fantasy X is the best.

VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.Lynx777

VI and IX are great. But VII is not overrated. People only say it is overrated because they either haven't played or, or have only played part of it, OR, they played it at a time when next gen games were coming out and they don't believe it lived up the the hype at the time it first came out. There is no way anybody cannot like FFVII, it's arguably one of the best games of all time, if not the best. With that being said, I still like FFIX better.

[QUOTE="Lynx777"]VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.MasterKingMP

VI and IX are great. But VII is not overrated. People only say it is overrated because they either haven't played or, or have only played part of it, OR, they played it at a time when next gen games were coming out and they don't believe it lived up the the hype at the time it first came out. There is no way anybody cannot like FFVII, it's arguably one of the best games of all time, if not the best. With that being said, I still like FFIX better.

Whether you're going by which has aged better or which was more revolutionary at time of release VII is superior. People don't realize how terribly VI has aged because they haven't played it recently. I played it last summer and was shocked at how archaic the story was.

VII also gets too much hate for being so popular.

However, I would put IX and Tactics WoTL at the very top.

[QUOTE="MasterKingMP"]

[QUOTE="Lynx777"]VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.BattleTurtles

VI and IX are great. But VII is not overrated. People only say it is overrated because they either haven't played or, or have only played part of it, OR, they played it at a time when next gen games were coming out and they don't believe it lived up the the hype at the time it first came out. There is no way anybody cannot like FFVII, it's arguably one of the best games of all time, if not the best. With that being said, I still like FFIX better.

Care to elaborate? What about FFVI's story was so great in your opinion? And when did you last play it?

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="MasterKingMP"]

VI and IX are great. But VII is not overrated. People only say it is overrated because they either haven't played or, or have only played part of it, OR, they played it at a time when next gen games were coming out and they don't believe it lived up the the hype at the time it first came out. There is no way anybody cannot like FFVII, it's arguably one of the best games of all time, if not the best. With that being said, I still like FFIX better.

Juken7

Care to elaborate? What about FFVI's story was so great in your opinion? And when did you last play it?

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

Vyylent5

how they reacted to the World of RuinBattleTurtles

They all reacted completely out of character. Why exactly was Cyan in a cave, writing letters to some girl? Why did Strago join a cult worshipping the man that ruined everything for him? Why was Edgar a thief, denying who he was? None of this made sense, and it destroyed the continuity of the game.

The interaction between the characters, how they reacted to the World of Ruin, how you loved and hated Kefka at the same time. It was a charming game. The last time I played it was the gba version in 2008.BattleTurtles

Yea they reacted really realistically to the World of Ruin...

SPOILERS AHEAD -

Finding Strago randomly marching around as a cult of Kefka member because he was distraught over the perceived loss of Relm was completely understandable, all the moreso because Kefka was the one responsible for it! Of course he would worship the character who caused him to lose his grand daughter!

Cyan holed up in a random cave writing love letters to some strange woman was totally natural too.

Don't forget Celes reaction to a bird she saw while in the airship! Here is the dialogue from the game:

Celes: "Setzer, follow that bird!"
Setzer: "But why?"
Celes: "I... don't know... Something inside just tells me it's important..."

Using a random bird as a device to move the plot forward! FFVII's cliche story can't hold a candle to this masterful sequence.

And that's not even going in to some of the great interactions between such characters as Mog, Gogo, and Umaro, and Gau! 14 permanent characters in the game and not one of them completely unecessary or weak!

/sarcasm

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

Vyylent5

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

jasonharris48

I think he was a very deep, thought out character who had a personality and motives for his actions.

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

BattleTurtles

Ok, I'm up for a challenge if you are. Try to list all 14 FF6 characters and a quick blurb about their history and why they are fighting! I'll do the same for VII.

Here are the characters of FFVI to jog your memory: Terra, Locke, Celes, Edgar, Sabin, Cyan, Shadow, Gau, Setzer, Strago, Relm, Mog, Gogo, Umaro. I think you'll find many of them have little backstory and add even less to the game. The game has 14 characters but really only needs 6 or 7.

SPOILERS FORTHCOMING!!!

Cloud Strife - Sole successful clone of the game's main villain. Jenova cell implants and mako exposure lead to an extremely unstable personality, stealing all memories of Zach (Aerith's boyfriend). Can be manipulated by Sephiroth.

Tifa - Cloud's childhood friend (really Zach's, but Cloud took his memories). Was in Nibelheim for the flashback and has her hometown destroyed. Swears her hatred for all things Shinra / SOLDIER. Her bar in the Midgar slums originally provides a save haven for anti-shinra group avalanche.

Aerith - Sole remaining ancient. Shinra constantly in pursuit of her as a experimental subject.

Barret - Leader of Avalanche, a resistance group against Shinra. Hires Cloud as a mercenary to help.

Red XIII - Last survivor of his race, and another test subject of Dr. Hojo. Native to Cosmo Canyon, a location that is the polar opposite of Midgar and Shinra.

Yuffie - "Materia hunter" from Wutai, a location in bad shape since they lost the war against the Shinra corporation years ago. Grows up with a deep hatred for Shinra.

Cid - Years earlier, the Shinra corporation had plans for a space program involving him as a pilot. Shera (a woman he is close to) royally screws up the launch and Shinra eventually loses interest in program. Lives his life esentially as an angry old man until Cloud and co visit Rocket town on their adventure.

Vincent - Former member of the turks (the elite unit that is pursuing Aerith at present time). In love with Sephiroth's mother, Lucrecia. Experimented on by Shinra in events prior to the game.

Cait Sith - A robot actually controlled by Reeve from Shinra to keep tabs on the group. Reeve eventually grows sympathetic with the gang and their plight.

Notice how they all have some sort of history with Shinra or Sephiroth and a clear motive beyond just saving the world?

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

jasonharris48

Even a Sephiroth hater should be able to see he had more motivation for his actions. The flashback scene from Nibelheim very clearly established his motive. What was Kefka's motive again?

Oh right, he was just plain evil for the sake of evil. Nothing more to him than that. But he sure was good at pushing those statues!!!

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

jasonharris48

And I'd like to ask what in your mind makes Sephiroth such a poor villain compared to others in the series?

Was he really that much shallower than Kefka, Ultimecia, Kuja, Seymour? What made them better villains in your eyes?

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

Juken7

And I'd like to ask what in your mind makes Sephiroth such a poor villain compared to others in the series?

Was he really that much shallower than Kefka, Ultimecia, Kuja, Seymour? What made them better villains in your eyes?

The difference is, they're not from games that are cool to hate.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

Juken7

And I'd like to ask what in your mind makes Sephiroth such a poor villain compared to others in the series?

Was he really that much shallower than Kefka, Ultimecia, Kuja, Seymour? What made them better villains in your eyes?

I just finished FF VII and almost done with FF VI which both are my first playthroughs, and VI gets my vote out of the two. I'm enjoying the battle system more, the characters, especially Kefka... funny and evil at the same time. It works. And ofcourse the OST is genius.

VI and IX are great. But VII is not overrated. People only say it is overrated because they either haven't played or, or have only played part of it, OR, they played it at a time when next gen games were coming out and they don't believe it lived up the the hype at the time it first came out. There is no way anybody cannot like FFVII, it's arguably one of the best games of all time, if not the best. With that being said, I still like FFIX better.

MasterKingMP

How can you like IX better if, by your own admission, VII is arguably the best game of all time? :?

In any event, I played VII when it came out. I played it to completion. I played it some more. I was a huge FF fan before VII (going back to the original NES game), and I remained a big fan even after VII. And although I think VII is a good game, and a landmark one at that, it is most certainly not the exalted game people make it out to be. I've been critical of its god-like status, and its horrible "story" (one of the all-time worst "plots" ever) amongst the PS1-and-on generation of RPG players since the old gamers.com boards and then on 1up. NO ONE agreed with me back then.

VI had it all... Shallow characters, poorly paced story, generic environments and the most one-dimensional villain ever.

VII really was a step down. :roll:

Vyylent5

You are correct. VII had even more shallow characters, a NON-story (just smoke and mirrors), just-as generic environs (don't let the techno outer appearance fool you), and the most underdeveloped villain of all time. It's clearly the better game.

For the record, I don't rate an RPG solely on its story, and I think FFVII had great gameplay, but come on now...

Cloud Strife - Sole successful clone of the game's main villain. Jenova cell implants and mako exposure lead to an extremely unstable personality, stealing all memories of Zach (Aerith's boyfriend). Can be manipulated by Sephiroth.

Tifa - Cloud's childhood friend (really Zach's, but Cloud took his memories). Was in Nibelheim for the flashback and has her hometown destroyed. Swears her hatred for all things Shinra / SOLDIER. Her bar in the Midgar slums originally provides a save haven for anti-shinra group avalanche.

Aerith - Sole remaining ancient. Shinra constantly in pursuit of her as a experimental subject.

Barret - Leader of Avalanche, a resistance group against Shinra. Hires Cloud as a mercenary to help.

Red XIII - Last survivor of his race, and another test subject of Dr. Hojo. Native to Cosmo Canyon, a location that is the polar opposite of Midgar and Shinra.

Yuffie - "Materia hunter" from Wutai, a location in bad shape since they lost the war against the Shinra corporation years ago. Grows up with a deep hatred for Shinra.

Cid - Years earlier, the Shinra corporation had plans for a space program involving him as a pilot. Shera (a woman he is close to) royally screws up the launch and Shinra eventually loses interest in program. Lives his life esentially as an angry old man until Cloud and co visit Rocket town on their adventure.

Vincent - Former member of the turks (the elite unit that is pursuing Aerith at present time). In love with Sephiroth's mother, Lucrecia. Experimented on by Shinra in events prior to the game.

Cait Sith - A robot actually controlled by Reeve from Shinra to keep tabs on the group. Reeve eventually grows sympathetic with the gang and their plight.

Notice how they all have some sort of history with Shinra or Sephiroth and a clear motive beyond just saving the world?

Juken7

The first three-dimensionally modeled FF characters in the history of the series, and yet they were the most 2-dimensional in terms of story development. Ironic, isn't it?

When did I say he was a poor villain? I just wanted to know how you felt about the character. Damn no reason to attack me dude it's a video game. On another note I'm a Kuja fan

jasonharris48

Fair enough I apologize. I've had a couple very similar arguments this week so I came into this post kind of on edge. And Kuja is my fav too :P

VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.Lynx777

This although IX>VI.

Still I liked VII more then V (great class system) and VIII (worst in the series IMO)

Final Fantasy VI, easily. Story was unbelievable, characters were great, battle system was good (Street Fighter style movements for Sabin? Yes!) and the music was compelling for its time. Let's not forget how Kefka essentially set the tone for future for Final Fantasy villians and how they take out people. Poisioning water and killing hundreds?! Goodness! Also, who can forget one of the most memorable videogame moments of all time, the Opera Scene?:cry:

One more for VI. I've played both of them twice in the last few years, and even after my second run I wasn't overly impressed by VII. It was good, but the story and characters didn't hold my attention well, I preferred VI's battle system and didn't like the materia system.

That's what I like. Continue the arguments. All this makes my day. I should congradulate you. (That was all sarcasm, BTW) As for my favorite FF, not really sure myself, since they are all good in their own ways. I will say that Seymour was my favorite villain, though.

VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.Lynx777

Wow... that's a **** insult to the series. Sorry dude, you must be mistaken for halo or something. FF VII is by far the best one out of the series. It wasn't because of it's graphical achievement during that time. It was due to the storyline. No other game can compare to the depth of the storyline of 7. Sorry you are mistaken, and if I were you, I woudn't say **** like that, people cherish this game man. I do.

As for my answer, it's clearly 7. I get annoyed of people saying that 7 wasn't good or it was overrated. This game made an impact in the gaming world because it's that good.

[QUOTE="Lynx777"]VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.First_Descent

Wow... that's a **** insult to the series. Sorry dude, you must be mistaken for halo or something. FF VII is by far the best one out of the series. It wasn't because of it's graphical achievement during that time. It was due to the storyline. No other game can compare to the depth of the storyline of 7. Sorry you are mistaken, and if I were you, I woudn't say **** like that, people cherish this game man. I do.

As for my answer, it's clearly 7. I get annoyed of people saying that 7 wasn't good or it was overrated. This game made an impact in the gaming world because it's that good.

[QUOTE="Lynx777"]VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.First_Descent

Wow... that's a **** insult to the series. Sorry dude, you must be mistaken for halo or something. FF VII is by far the best one out of the series. It wasn't because of it's graphical achievement during that time. It was due to the storyline. No other game can compare to the depth of the storyline of 7. Sorry you are mistaken, and if I were you, I woudn't say **** like that, people cherish this game man. I do.

As for my answer, it's clearly 7. I get annoyed of people saying that 7 wasn't good or it was overrated. This game made an impact in the gaming world because it's that good.

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

[QUOTE="Lynx777"]VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.BattleTurtles

Wow... that's a **** insult to the series. Sorry dude, you must be mistaken for halo or something. FF VII is by far the best one out of the series. It wasn't because of it's graphical achievement during that time. It was due to the storyline. No other game can compare to the depth of the storyline of 7. Sorry you are mistaken, and if I were you, I woudn't say **** like that, people cherish this game man. I do.

As for my answer, it's clearly 7. I get annoyed of people saying that 7 wasn't good or it was overrated. This game made an impact in the gaming world because it's that good.

Actually no, I played all of them. None of them had a lasting appeal to me except for 7.

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

[QUOTE="Lynx777"]VI and IX are the best. VII is overrated.jasonharris48

Wow... that's a **** insult to the series. Sorry dude, you must be mistaken for halo or something. FF VII is by far the best one out of the series. It wasn't because of it's graphical achievement during that time. It was due to the storyline. No other game can compare to the depth of the storyline of 7. Sorry you are mistaken, and if I were you, I woudn't say **** like that, people cherish this game man. I do.

As for my answer, it's clearly 7. I get annoyed of people saying that 7 wasn't good or it was overrated. This game made an impact in the gaming world because it's that good.

He can have his own opinion, but I don't agree with the overrated comment. If I were to say that VI was overrated, he would have said the same thing.

PS. Dexter is a damn good show dude, I just finished the 3rd disc on the first season! lol First_Descent

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]PS. Dexter is a damn good show dude, I just finished the 3rd disc on the first season! lol jasonharris48

I couldn't agree with you more. I actually stopped playing this game half way through because it did nothign for me. I had a friend inform me about the ending, and I am glad I didn't continue. I actually didn't mind 12, but for some reason I couldn't get into it.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]PS. Dexter is a damn good show dude, I just finished the 3rd disc on the first season! lol First_Descent

I couldn't agree with you more. I actually stopped playing this game half way through because it did nothign for me. I had a friend inform me about the ending, and I am glad I didn't continue. I actually didn't mind 12, but for some reason I couldn't get into it.

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Glad you like it haha :D . As for the FF titles the only one I think doesn't deserve the hype it gets is FFX. That game left a sour taste in my mouth.

jasonharris48

I couldn't agree with you more. I actually stopped playing this game half way through because it did nothign for me. I had a friend inform me about the ending, and I am glad I didn't continue. I actually didn't mind 12, but for some reason I couldn't get into it.

I agree with the leaving out of Vaan and Penelo girl.. I think thats was threw me off. Also the quickings and summons were horrible in my opinion. I am a bit of an old school guy. I love the turn-based combat. I always have and always will. Hopefully they bring back Ifirit in 13!

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

I couldn't agree with you more. I actually stopped playing this game half way through because it did nothign for me. I had a friend inform me about the ending, and I am glad I didn't continue. I actually didn't mind 12, but for some reason I couldn't get into it.

First_Descent

I agree with the leaving out of Vaan and Penelo girl.. I think thats was threw me off. Also the quickings and summons were horrible in my opinion. I am a bit of an old school guy. I love the turn-based combat. I always have and always will. Hopefully they bring back Ifirit in 13!

I'm going to go out on a leg and say IV advance is my favourite. Its nice and simple, which is what I want from a GBA game.

I really like both of them, but I think FFVI has the edge in terms of "quality" graphics wise (FFVII is the most graphically inconsistant game I've ever played), while FFVII has the edge in terms of story.

I think both of them suffer in the character department.

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]PS. Dexter is a damn good show dude, I just finished the 3rd disc on the first season! lol jasonharris48

I just booted up FFX for the first time in 8 years. I'm liking it far, far more than I originally did now that I'm older.

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]how they reacted to the World of RuinVyylent5

They all reacted completely out of character. Why exactly was Cyan in a cave, writing letters to some girl? Why did Strago join a cult worshipping the man that ruined everything for him? Why was Edgar a thief, denying who he was? None of this made sense, and it destroyed the continuity of the game.

Cyan: The girl he was writing to lost her boyfriend when the world got destroyed so he kept sending her letters to make her believe he was still alive.

Edgar: He disguised as the thief leader to be able to sneak into Figaro.

Did you played the game or simply skimmed through the in-game dialogue? If i have to explain the reasons why every characters joined to fight then i'll do it. (except gau, mog, gogo, umaro as 3 of them are optional characters and one of them well the story never bring him in often.)

Anyway VII is VI with different characters/graphic dialogue. Let's see...

- A group of rebel called Avalanche (Returners in VI) are fighting a group called Shinra (Empire in VI)

- Cloud, an ex-soldier, join the avalanche eventually (Terra in VI was also part of the empire originally tho she was under control)

- Sephiroth at the end turn into some angel (Kefka does that too in VI at the end)

- Sephiroth also wants to destroy the planet using a meteorite (Kefka did it in VI, with a different method, and wanted to do it a second time lol)

- Cloud can get his memories controlled by Sephiroth. (In VI Terra could get controlled by Kefka's slave crown, its not totally similar but its a different kind of control)

- This i'm not sure but i believe Shinra wanted to get their hands on Materia (in VI Empire wants to get their hands on Esper, which plays the same key role plotwise and gameplay wise as both materia and esper can make your chara learn magic)

There's way more to it but thats whats on top of my head but you get the point. VII is a good game but in no way is it better than VI. Of course thats in my opinion.

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] I liked FFXII it is one of my favorite titles. But after the Still Shrine part the story goes down hill and Vayne just doesn't cut it for me as a main villain. Also the team could of left out Vaan and Penelothey did nothing for the story what so ever. Also I wasn't a fan of the quickings and the summons (besides fighting them).

jasonharris48

I agree with the leaving out of Vaan and Penelo girl.. I think thats was threw me off. Also the quickings and summons were horrible in my opinion. I am a bit of an old school guy. I love the turn-based combat. I always have and always will. Hopefully they bring back Ifirit in 13!

Awesome, I would love to check out that video! all i know is that I am tired of the ps3 not having any good rpg's and I am pretty jacked to pick up ff13!

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]how they reacted to the World of Ruinarchvile_78

They all reacted completely out of character. Why exactly was Cyan in a cave, writing letters to some girl? Why did Strago join a cult worshipping the man that ruined everything for him? Why was Edgar a thief, denying who he was? None of this made sense, and it destroyed the continuity of the game.

Cyan: The girl he was writing to lost her boyfriend when the world got destroyed so he kept sending her letters to make her believe he was still alive.

Edgar: He disguised as the thief leader to be able to sneak into Figaro.

Did you played the game or simply skimmed through the in-game dialogue? If i have to explain the reasons why every characters joined to fight then i'll do it. (except gau, mog, gogo, umaro as 3 of them are optional characters and one of them well the story never bring him in often.)

Anyway VII is VI with different characters/graphic dialogue. Let's see...

- A group of rebel called Avalanche (Returners in VI) are fighting a group called Shinra (Empire in VI)

- Cloud, an ex-soldier, join the avalanche eventually (Terra in VI was also part of the empire originally tho she was under control)

- Sephiroth at the end turn into some angel (Kefka does that too in VI at the end)

- Sephiroth also wants to destroy the planet using a meteorite (Kefka did it in VI, with a different method, and wanted to do it a second time lol)

- Cloud can get his memories controlled by Sephiroth. (In VI Terra could get controlled by Kefka's slave crown, its not totally similar but its a different kind of control)

- This i'm not sure but i believe Shinra wanted to get their hands on Materia (in VI Empire wants to get their hands on Esper, which plays the same key role plotwise and gameplay wise as both materia and esper can make your chara learn magic)

There's way more to it but thats whats on top of my head but you get the point. VII is a good game but in no way is it better than VI. Of course thats in my opinion.

I think this picture fits the bill nicely.

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

They all reacted completely out of character. Why exactly was Cyan in a cave, writing letters to some girl? Why did Strago join a cult worshipping the man that ruined everything for him? Why was Edgar a thief, denying who he was? None of this made sense, and it destroyed the continuity of the game.

VGobbsesser

Cyan: The girl he was writing to lost her boyfriend when the world got destroyed so he kept sending her letters to make her believe he was still alive.

Edgar: He disguised as the thief leader to be able to sneak into Figaro.

Did you played the game or simply skimmed through the in-game dialogue? If i have to explain the reasons why every characters joined to fight then i'll do it. (except gau, mog, gogo, umaro as 3 of them are optional characters and one of them well the story never bring him in often.)

Anyway VII is VI with different characters/graphic dialogue. Let's see...

- A group of rebel called Avalanche (Returners in VI) are fighting a group called Shinra (Empire in VI)

- Cloud, an ex-soldier, join the avalanche eventually (Terra in VI was also part of the empire originally tho she was under control)

- Sephiroth at the end turn into some angel (Kefka does that too in VI at the end)

- Sephiroth also wants to destroy the planet using a meteorite (Kefka did it in VI, with a different method, and wanted to do it a second time lol)

- Cloud can get his memories controlled by Sephiroth. (In VI Terra could get controlled by Kefka's slave crown, its not totally similar but its a different kind of control)

- This i'm not sure but i believe Shinra wanted to get their hands on Materia (in VI Empire wants to get their hands on Esper, which plays the same key role plotwise and gameplay wise as both materia and esper can make your chara learn magic)

There's way more to it but thats whats on top of my head but you get the point. VII is a good game but in no way is it better than VI. Of course thats in my opinion.

I think this picture fits the bill nicely.

I totally understand where you are coming from. I never said the sorry for VI is **** because its not. The characters in the game is was really separates each games, and for me, FF7 had twice the amount of character developement than any other.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

I agree with the leaving out of Vaan and Penelo girl.. I think thats was threw me off. Also the quickings and summons were horrible in my opinion. I am a bit of an old school guy. I love the turn-based combat. I always have and always will. Hopefully they bring back Ifirit in 13!

First_Descent

Awesome, I would love to check out that video! all i know is that I am tired of the ps3 not having any good rpg's and I am pretty jacked to pick up ff13!

[QUOTE="First_Descent"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Yea I preferturn based systems to real time also. I feel TB offers more depth compared to most Acton RPG's. As for Ifrit in FFXIII the closet summon to Ifit Sazh's summon Brynhildr. I'll try to find a video with him for you.

jasonharris48

Awesome, I would love to check out that video! all i know is that I am tired of the ps3 not having any good rpg's and I am pretty jacked to pick up ff13!

Awesome video, I enjoyed the first part to it and everything, but than the vehicle thing???? I don't know dude, what did you think about it?