Gamers against locking out single player content!!!!!

Alright people, so recently Warner Bros announced that in Batman Arkham City, Catwoman would be locked behind a one time user code that you will have to pay 10$ for to unlock if you buy it used.Catwomans part makes up for about 10% of the game.Also Rage has done something similar.

You know I understand when Publisher/Devs say they need the extra money for online passes because servers cost money to run, but this is just the last straw locking out single player content?There taking away your very right as a consumer to fully own what you purchase and are destroying your ability to completely sell what you bought.

We have to stop this now people, before they take it too far we have to show those dam publishers that we don't like this and we won't stand for it because how much longer is it before every game does this?How long will it be before even MORE content is locked out?I don't know how any right minded person can defend these greedy business tactics.

All there trying to do is suck as much money possible from every market in this industry.

We have to stop this now and i'm prepared to start a Twitter/Facebook movement against this, I have already cancelled my pre-order for the game I will NOT support this in anyway and I will not pay for something that I do not get to fully own.This movement will be against every game that tries to pull this on us but right now were targeting batman.(Specifically were targeting the Warner Bros/Rocksteady)

Calling all gamers unite!Xbox gamers, Playstation gamers, Nintendo gamers it's time we come together and stop it before its too late!Because we will all end up being affected by it, we must all come together now and stop it before it becomes a giant we cannot stop!Set aside our differences!

So whos with me?

Good luck with that. On Tuesday, I'm going to be exploring Arkham City.

Im buying Batman AC for Batman :D

I'm with you. It just boggles the mind of how these "gamers" defend garbage like this & continue to defend it like there's no tomorrow & acts like it's not a big deal.

Kind of makes me chuckle actually. Just go to Amazon and get a new copy for less than Gamestop charges for used.

I'm with you. It just boggles the mind of how these "gamers" defend garbage like this & continue to defend it like there's no tomorrow & acts like it's not a big deal.

garland51

Alright people, so recently Warner Bros announced that in Batman Arkham City, Catwoman would be locked behind a one time user code that you will have to pay 10$ for to unlock if you buy it used.Catwomans part makes up for about 10% of the game.Also Rage has done something similar.

You know I understand when Publisher/Devs say they need the extra money for online passes because servers cost money to run, but this is just the last straw locking out single player content?There taking away your very right as a consumer to fully own what you purchase and are destroying your ability to completely sell what you bought.

We have to stop this now people, before they take it too far we have to show those dam publishers that we don't like this and we won't stand for it because how much longer is it before every game does this?How long will it be before even MORE content is locked out?I don't know how any right minded person can defend these greedy business tactics.

All there trying to do is suck as much money possible from every market in this industry.

We have to stop this now and i'm prepared to start a Twitter/Facebook movement against this, I have already cancelled my pre-order for the game I will NOT support this in anyway and I will not pay for something that I do not get to fully own.This movement will be against every game that tries to pull this on us but right now were targeting batman.(Specifically were targeting the Warner Bros/Rocksteady)

Calling all gamers unite!Xbox gamers, Playstation gamers, Nintendo gamers it's time we come together and stop it before its too late!Because we will all end up being affected by it, we must all come together now and stop it before it becomes a giant we cannot stop!Set aside our differences!

So whos with me?

Its not the fact that people are defending it, it just that some people dont care about catwomen. I do realise that it is wrong to take out pieces of a game so they can make more money but atleast they didnt take out any Batman parts. Soon enough they will start to take out large chunks but in the time being im content with being ripped off, there are far more important things in life.

It's very stupid move.Charging 10 bucks for one SP Character.

No thank you, I like when money end up in the devs hands so they can continue making great games instead of the pockets of Gamestop and their kind.

I don't care that it was relatively unimportant, 10% is still 10%. What's next? That is the real question.

This is why I'll wait for the "game of the year" edition. Thanks to gog.com and their no DRM I have more than enough games to satisfy me until then.

So, you buy used for $5 cheaper than new, and the character costs $10? That's $5 more than buying new. Why not just buy new and support the developer instead of gamestop? Also, like others have said, why not just buy new from places like Amazon where it is cheaper than both?

BATMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!1

Even though i have to wait a week to get it. **** Europe. :(

You do know that there is nothing you can do, right?

You do know that there is nothing you can do, right?

megadeth1117

I don't respect the practice of locking content for buyers to purchase. While it's similar to gamesharks with the codes already being a part of the game AFAIK, it's a problem because it's what was once "normal" content. There's a saying, "To cook a frog, don't put in boiling water. Heat the water little by little." This is what they're doing. Some people are jumping in headfirst.

While I don't agree with this particular strategy by the publisher, I have no intention of boycotting what is looking like one of the best games ever made so that I might make some sort of hollow statement that nobody (including the publisher) will notice.

While I don't agree with this particular strategy by the publisher, I have no intention of boycotting what is looking like one of the best games ever made so that I might make some sort of hollow statement that nobody (including the publisher) will notice.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

While I don't agree with this particular strategy by the publisher, I have no intention of boycotting what is looking like one of the best games ever made so that I might make some sort of hollow statement that nobody (including the publisher) will notice.

BranKetra

I don't respect the practice of locking content for buyers to purchase. While it's similar to gamesharks with the codes already being a part of the game AFAIK, it's a problem because it's what was once "normal" content. There's a saying, "To cook a frog, don't put in boiling water. Heat the water little by little." This is what they're doing. Some people are jumping in headfirst.

BranKetra

I always buy new so how is this my problem? None of these practices affect those of us who purchase new and bear in mind, many of us purchase new specifically to support developers and their games. While I fully support a secondary market, buying used cuts out the developer entirely.

And you do realize that the used market for games isn't a typical secondary construct, don't you? Used games have become a massive part of the topography of this industry and anyone who thought publishers and developers were going to sit back and not try and take a piece was deluding themselves. I fully support full consumer ownership and I don't necessarily think these types of tactics are effective or fair but given the proliferation of the used game market a response from the industry was inevitable.

Wait, the content is locked even on NEW copies?Heirren

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

I don't respect the practice of locking content for buyers to purchase. While it's similar to gamesharks with the codes already being a part of the game AFAIK, it's a problem because it's what was once "normal" content. There's a saying, "To cook a frog, don't put in boiling water. Heat the water little by little." This is what they're doing. Some people are jumping in headfirst.

Grammaton-Cleric

I always buy new so how is this my problem? None of these practices affect those of us who purchase new and bear in mind, many of us purchase new specifically to support developers and their games. While I fully support a secondary market, buying used cuts out the developer entirely.

And you do realize that the used market for games isn't a typical secondary construct, don't you? Used games have become a massive part of the topography of this industry and anyone who thought publishers and developers were going to sit back and not try and take a piece was deluding themselves. I fully support full consumer ownership and I don't necessarily think these types of tactics are effective or fair but given the proliferation of the used game market a response from the industry was inevitable.

The games are good, but the business practices can undermine their efforts. "Tough love," I say. I'll buy the games to show that I still like them, but locking content that is already on the disc is unacceptable to me, for the most part. I don't want the practice to continue period. You could probably make the argument that it's similar to locked phones because they would cost much more if unlocked. If that's the case, why not just put it as downloadable content and fill the game with other things? My point is, this whole phenomenon seems to be focused on money, which is fine. I'll just take my money elsewhere.

Another note: I also wonder if every game released for the PS3/360 that sells additional content fills nearly all of the data space on the discs before releasing additional DLC.

Im buying Batman AC for Batman :D

IBullseye

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

I don't respect the practice of locking content for buyers to purchase. While it's similar to gamesharks with the codes already being a part of the game AFAIK, it's a problem because it's what was once "normal" content. There's a saying, "To cook a frog, don't put in boiling water. Heat the water little by little." This is what they're doing. Some people are jumping in headfirst.

Grammaton-Cleric

I always buy new so how is this my problem? None of these practices affect those of us who purchase new and bear in mind, many of us purchase new specifically to support developers and their games. While I fully support a secondary market, buying used cuts out the developer entirely.

And you do realize that the used market for games isn't a typical secondary construct, don't you? Used games have become a massive part of the topography of this industry and anyone who thought publishers and developers were going to sit back and not try and take a piece was deluding themselves. I fully support full consumer ownership and I don't necessarily think these types of tactics are effective or fair but given the proliferation of the used game market a response from the industry was inevitable.

Its not the fact that people are defending it, it just that some people dont care about catwomen. I do realise that it is wrong to take out pieces of a game so they can make more money but atleast they didnt take out any Batman parts. Soon enough they will start to take out large chunks but in the time being im content with being ripped off, there are far more important things in life.

IBullseye

doesn't this game deserve to be bought new...? i think it does.

doesn't this game deserve to be bought new...? i think it does.

PcGamingRig

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. This is only the beginning. Before you know it we'll have ID locked games, just like the weapons in MGS4. It's stupid how greedy these developers are. Online multiplayer passes are BS, but single player passes are 10 times worse. They already made enough money off of the ridiculous $60 price tag. Most people I know ALWAYS buy games new when they first came out anyway, I don't see people buying used games too much.

I think devs are just trying to find more excuses to milk us for more money.

[QUOTE="IBullseye"]

Im buying Batman AC for Batman :D

dotWithShoes

You make it sound like they are taking out half of the game.

as much as im against it i always buy new games. so doesnt effect me any

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="IBullseye"]

Im buying Batman AC for Batman :D

IBullseye

You make it sound like they are taking out half of the game.

[QUOTE="IBullseye"]

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] So you're buying the game to play one part of it? I was intending on getting it so I could play the full game, not just bits and pieces of it.dotWithShoes

You make it sound like they are taking out half of the game.

The reason I feel this way is that I dont want to play as Catwomen, however I can understand being annoyed when wanting to play the part they took out.

Just take a look at PC to see the next step. More than likely console games will soon be tied to an account with a one time activation code, after that good luck trying to sell the disk or let someone else play it without you account details. Like always I recommend being patient and waiting for the game to drop in price, afterall the game will be the same 1 year from now.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

I don't respect the practice of locking content for buyers to purchase. While it's similar to gamesharks with the codes already being a part of the game AFAIK, it's a problem because it's what was once "normal" content. There's a saying, "To cook a frog, don't put in boiling water. Heat the water little by little." This is what they're doing. Some people are jumping in headfirst.

dotWithShoes

I always buy new so how is this my problem? None of these practices affect those of us who purchase new and bear in mind, many of us purchase new specifically to support developers and their games. While I fully support a secondary market, buying used cuts out the developer entirely.

And you do realize that the used market for games isn't a typical secondary construct, don't you? Used games have become a massive part of the topography of this industry and anyone who thought publishers and developers were going to sit back and not try and take a piece was deluding themselves. I fully support full consumer ownership and I don't necessarily think these types of tactics are effective or fair but given the proliferation of the used game market a response from the industry was inevitable.

Actually, publishers are trying to get a slice of a billion-dollar revenue stream that basically exploits their wares in such a way as to undercut their own profits.

That isn't to say people don't have a right to buy and sell used games but what the retail market is doing is a much more concerted effort than what you see with other secondary markets. The used game market basically allows retailers to replenish their supply with a lower priced inventory, all the while not having to pay any sort of royalties to the publisher or developer.

I'm not advocating WB's tactics here as I think they border on anti-consumerism but the notion that the used market is entirely benign and comparable to other secondary markets isn't true. The way the used market is structured allows for a siphoning of revenue by lecherous middlemen and that is something that we as consumers - who purport to love this medium - should consider.

No thank you, I like when money end up in the devs hands so they can continue making great games instead of the pockets of Gamestop and their kind.

kaealy

Why does everyone assume everyone buys used games on gamestop? What about direct sale like through ebay?

Oh and by the way, this already happened before. See Dragon age Origins and the Shale DLC.

I'm prepared to not buy Batman Arkham City over this decision, but I don't do the whole Twitter/Facebook thing.nocoolnamejim

Ya were just going to use that to gather some attention.

Look man if your not for this and your trying to defend this then quit posting here, this thread is for people who don't want to sit back and let themselves take it in the bum by these publishers.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I'm prepared to not buy Batman Arkham City over this decision, but I don't do the whole Twitter/Facebook thing.Vickman178

Ya were just going to use that to gather some attention.

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

I always buy new so how is this my problem? None of these practices affect those of us who purchase new and bear in mind, many of us purchase new specifically to support developers and their games. While I fully support a secondary market, buying used cuts out the developer entirely.

And you do realize that the used market for games isn't a typical secondary construct, don't you? Used games have become a massive part of the topography of this industry and anyone who thought publishers and developers were going to sit back and not try and take a piece was deluding themselves. I fully support full consumer ownership and I don't necessarily think these types of tactics are effective or fair but given the proliferation of the used game market a response from the industry was inevitable.

Grammaton-Cleric

Actually, publishers are trying to get a slice of a billion-dollar revenue stream that basically exploits their wares in such a way as to undercut their own profits.

That isn't to say people don't have a right to buy and sell used games but what the retail market is doing is a much more concerted effort than what you see with other secondary markets. The used game market basically allows retailers to replenish their supply with a lower priced inventory, all the while not having to pay any sort of royalties to the publisher or developer.

I'm not advocating WB's tactics here as I think they border on anti-consumerism but the notion that the used market is entirely benign and comparable to other secondary markets isn't true. The way the used market is structured allows for a siphoning of revenue by lecherous middlemen and that is something that we as consumers - who purport to love this medium - should consider.

[QUOTE="kaealy"]

No thank you, I like when money end up in the devs hands so they can continue making great games instead of the pockets of Gamestop and their kind.

Cataclism

Why does everyone assume everyone buys used games on gamestop? What about direct sale like through ebay?

Oh and by the way, this already happened before. See Dragon age Origins and the Shale DLC.

I think it's safe to say, if places like Gamestop wouldn't have made used games into the industry it is today, then there wouldn't be a need for this kind of moves from publishers and devs. Places like Game and Gamestop pushed it too far, that is all.

Any name suggestions for a twitter page?