Gamers against locking out single player content!!!!!

So buy the game new and stop being so bloody cheap.

[QUOTE="Warhawk_"]

Now if we don't buy their games and we make it clear to them that they should end this online pass once and for all, well I'm pretty sure that it will give them the message that online passes is hurting their sales and it's time to remove once and for all so they can make more sales again.

Grammaton-Cleric

Arkham City will sell through the proverbial roof and easily outpace Arkham Asylum. That reality is inevitable.

Your revolution will not be televised, which is why I would consider going another route.

Oh I know that and I know for sure that me not buying the game will not make their sales drop. This game will be amazing and will sell tons of copies but I will pass on it still because I will not support WB. I know that I and many other people who have the same idea as me will not stop online passes but I don't care I will just play other good games instead.

[QUOTE="kaealy"]

No thank you, I like when money end up in the devs hands so they can continue making great games instead of the pockets of Gamestop and their kind.

Cataclism

Why does everyone assume everyone buys used games on gamestop? What about direct sale like through ebay?

Oh and by the way, this already happened before. See Dragon age Origins and the Shale DLC.

What if we called places, and said why we're not. It works for anon in certain situations. Call random Gamestops, hell, call or email WB or Rocksteady. The more it's spread, the more they'll know.

TRULY UNBELIEVABLE. Just got the game. So I'm all ready to play, but I figure I'll download Catwoman's stuff before I do. So I enter the code, get this message: "error, your download cannot be completed at this time. Try again later" (I assume due to their servers being swamped). I re-enter the code to try again and am greeted with, "you've already downloaded this content. Enter another code." So I guess I'm SoL. Nice WB, real nice. Here I pay for a NEW copy expecting to be able to play as Catwoman, and am screwed over due to a technical issue. Yea, who would of thought of that, WB?? Thanks a lot guys! This is unbelievable. Now I'm going to have to go through all the hassle of contacting WB and MS, who probably won't believe me anyway (or make me send in a copy of my receipt which will take forever to confirm) and have to end up paying $10 to re-buy what I already own. I'm not even going to play tonight I'm so pissed, I want to play this while in a good mood. Yea, these passes aren't so bad eh? Only affect those who buy it used? Think again. I hope this doesn't happen to you guys, just FYI. Apologies for the tone but this is simply inexcusable.MirkoS77

That actually sounds like an issue with the WB servers so I'd give it a few hours.

I entirely understand your annoyance however.

Ok guys, this is about single player passes not batman, I know batman is good game and I really want to play it too, but I don't want to live in a future where every game has this even the CRAPPY games, it destroys your rights to fully own what you buy and thats that!

I can wait to play this game and I may very well still end up buying it eventually but right now I think its important that we make them know that we don't like this.

and I gotta sit down and make that dam twitter account so we can get some publicity instead of having it just sit here on these boards.So busy with school...aaahhgg!!

Ok guys, this is about single player passes not batman, I know batman is good game and I really want to play it too, but I don't want to live in a future where every game has this even the CRAPPY games, it destroys your rights to fully own what you buy and thats that!

I can wait to play this game and I may very well still end up buying it eventually but right now I think its important that we make them know that we don't like this.

and I gotta sit down and make that dam twitter account so we can get some publicity instead of having it just sit here on these boards.So busy with school...aaahhgg!!

Vickman178

I'm with you man. This game will be good but enough with this garbage online passes for these gamesonce and for all.

You know I understand when Publisher/Devs say they need the extra money for online passes because servers cost money to run, but this is just the last straw locking out single player content?There taking away your very right as a consumer to fully own what you purchase and are destroying your ability to completely sell what you bought.

We have to stop this now people, before they take it too far we have to show those dam publishers that we don't like this and we won't stand for it because how much longer is it before every game does this?How long will it be before even MORE content is locked out?I don't know how any right minded person can defend these greedy business tactics.

Vickman178

It has nothing to do with online server costs.

It has everything to do with the fact that they make 0 dollars when you buy a game used. So really by buying the game used, you haven't supported the publishers or developers in any way.

And now you're demanding they cater to you. Sorry, but that's kinda dumb.

It's not "locking out" content, anymore then when they release an add-on that costs money. Are they "locking you out" of the add on because it's not free? No.

The growth of the used-game market has been one of the biggest gouges to the game industry lately. So... in order to combat the used-game dragon, they are offering bonuses to gamers who actually support the developers and buy the game new.

If you don't want to pay 60 bones on a game, then wait til the MSRP drops or it becomes a classic for 30 or 20 bucks, and then buy it new. Thats what I do.

If you insist on buying used games then your complaints really don't matter to the publishers, because you aren't supporting them anyway.

my point in all of this is (to those defending new game passes) if I rightfully buy the game new, am I not entitled to share my game with my friends/relatives?doubalfa

[QUOTE="Vickman178"]

You know I understand when Publisher/Devs say they need the extra money for online passes because servers cost money to run, but this is just the last straw locking out single player content?There taking away your very right as a consumer to fully own what you purchase and are destroying your ability to completely sell what you bought.

We have to stop this now people, before they take it too far we have to show those dam publishers that we don't like this and we won't stand for it because how much longer is it before every game does this?How long will it be before even MORE content is locked out?I don't know how any right minded person can defend these greedy business tactics.

supernator13

It has nothing to do with online server costs.

It has everything to do with the fact that they make 0 dollars when you buy a game used. So really by buying the game used, you haven't supported the publishers or developers in any way.

And now you're demanding they cater to you. Sorry, but that's kinda dumb.

It's not "locking out" content, anymore then when they release an add-on that costs money. Are they "locking you out" of the add on because it's not free? No.

The growth of the used-game market has been one of the biggest gouges to the game industry lately. So... in order to combat the used-game dragon, they are offering bonuses to gamers who actually support the developers and buy the game new.

If you don't want to pay 60 bones on a game, then wait til the MSRP drops or it becomes a classic for 30 or 20 bucks, and then buy it new. Thats what I do.

If you insist on buying used games then your complaints really don't matter to the publishers, because you aren't supporting them anyway.

bonus no this isnt a bonus this i single player content that they had been advertising for a year now
and what about the people that dont have an online connection and they buy the game new how do they redeem their code
what about down the road in 10 years how will we redeem a code or acess content thats being locked out because of online pass if the servers are shut down and the games no longer supported
what if psn or xbl and it takes another 2 months to bring them back up goes down for some unforseen reason how do we redeem our code if we bought it new

People need to understand the reason they are doing this.

TRULY UNBELIEVABLE. Just got the game. So I'm all ready to play, but I figure I'll download Catwoman's stuff before I do. So I enter the code, get this message: "error, your download cannot be completed at this time. Try again later" (I assume due to their servers being swamped). I re-enter the code to try again and am greeted with, "you've already downloaded this content. Enter another code." So I guess I'm SoL. Nice WB, real nice. Here I pay for a NEW copy expecting to be able to play as Catwoman, and am screwed over due to a technical issue. MirkoS77

Um.. if you've redeemed the code... then you never have to repay on that account.

You just have to download the content as soon as the servers are actually updated. Just go to you download list on psn or download history on xbl and it'll be there for free re-download.

The content may not even be available til the afternoon... and when it is available, if everyone tries to download it at the same time, then of course it's going to go slow or error out.

Come on people... use some common sense.

bonus no this isnt a bonus this i single player content that they had been advertising for a year now
and what about the people that dont have an online connection and they buy the game new how do they redeem their code
what about down the road in 10 years how will we redeem a code or acess content thats being locked out because of online pass if the servers are shut down and the games no longer supported
what if psn or xbl and it takes another 2 months to bring them back up goes down for some unforseen reason how do we redeem our code if we bought it new

spawnassasin

You make a point in there.

Of course everyone would prefer having everything included on the game disc, without extra online redeeming. But the fault actually falls back to the used game market. If the used games market wasn't so huge and taking so much of the game-makers business, then they wouldn't need to come up with these strategies.

So this call to arms against the developers in counter-productive. If you really want to put an end to online passes and original content that requires redeem codes, then start supporting the developers and buy the games new, and help kill the used game market.

If we protest by refusing to buy new, then the game developers and publishers lose. Then they have to reduce prices to compete with the 2nd hand market, ***edit that*** dropping prices does nothing, because used will always sell for less than new*** so then they're forced to scale back in other ways... leading to crappier games, smaller production teams, rushed deadlines. All because we want game developers to compete with people who do nothing but buy our games for a couple bucks and then resell them for 5 bucks less then the publisher.

Last I checked, stores like Gamestop and Play and Trade don't develop or publish games. Hence, buying used games does nothing for the game industry.

They lose and Gamestop wins... and you save a couple bucks.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]TRULY UNBELIEVABLE. Just got the game. So I'm all ready to play, but I figure I'll download Catwoman's stuff before I do. So I enter the code, get this message: "error, your download cannot be completed at this time. Try again later" (I assume due to their servers being swamped). I re-enter the code to try again and am greeted with, "you've already downloaded this content. Enter another code." So I guess I'm SoL. Nice WB, real nice. Here I pay for a NEW copy expecting to be able to play as Catwoman, and am screwed over due to a technical issue. supernator13

Um.. if you've redeemed the code... then you never have to repay on that account.

You just have to download the content as soon as the servers are actually updated. Just go to you download list on psn or download history on xbl and it'll be there for free re-download.

The content may not even be available til the afternoon... and when it is available, if everyone tries to download it at the same time, then of course it's going to go slow or error out.

Come on people... use some common sense.

Problem is, it's not on my download list. Anywhere.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]TRULY UNBELIEVABLE. Just got the game. So I'm all ready to play, but I figure I'll download Catwoman's stuff before I do. So I enter the code, get this message: "error, your download cannot be completed at this time. Try again later" (I assume due to their servers being swamped). I re-enter the code to try again and am greeted with, "you've already downloaded this content. Enter another code." So I guess I'm SoL. Nice WB, real nice. Here I pay for a NEW copy expecting to be able to play as Catwoman, and am screwed over due to a technical issue. Yea, who would of thought of that, WB?? Thanks a lot guys! This is unbelievable. Now I'm going to have to go through all the hassle of contacting WB and MS, who probably won't believe me anyway (or make me send in a copy of my receipt which will take forever to confirm) and have to end up paying $10 to re-buy what I already own. I'm not even going to play tonight I'm so pissed, I want to play this while in a good mood. Yea, these passes aren't so bad eh? Only affect those who buy it used? Think again. I hope this doesn't happen to you guys, just FYI. Apologies for the tone but this is simply inexcusable.Grammaton-Cleric

That actually sounds like an issue with the WB servers so I'd give it a few hours.

I entirely understand your annoyance however.

Well on a positive note, the CE is one of the better I've seen. The statue doesn't feel like a cheap $10 figure, it's fairly solid, and the artbook is great. It also comes with a soundtrack which I haven't listened to yet. Kind of makes up for the absence of Catwoman.... :?

Problem is, it's not on my download list. Anywhere.

MirkoS77

Problem is, it's not on my download list. Anywhere.

MirkoS77

Then go back into Account Maintenance, or whatever the section of PSN is called where you can redeem codes and check on subscriptions and such. The same thing happened when everyone tried to redeem their free games after the whole Hacking episode earlier this year. You should see it in there. Nothing was lost; you just have to find it. It's in there.

People need to understand the reason they are doing this.

rjparkin

For the bonus $$$

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Problem is, it's not on my download list. Anywhere.

Phantom_Leo

Then go back into Account Maintenance, or whatever the section of PSN is called where you can redeem codes and check on subscriptions and such. The same thing happened when everyone tried to redeem their free games after the whole Hacking episode earlier this year. You should see it in there. Nothing was lost; you just have to find it. It's in there.

Just checked my Download List "Batman Arkham City - Catwoman Bundle" sits right at the top. This means two things: (1)If your system should break, you can DL it as many times as necessary, as it is attached to your PSN account; just like any other game or DLC you may have purchased in the past. (2)You should check your Shopping Cart, if it is not in your Download History. If you redeemed the code and it worked, but just failed to download, it MUST be somewhere.

People need to understand the reason they are doing this.

rjparkin

I don't understand all the hate. Businesses just want to make more money. Is that crazy to understand or something? If I could make more money by doing something as simple as a code, I would be all over it.Not only that, since it is, you know, their product; don't they reserve the right do whatever the hell they want with it?

[QUOTE="Phantom_Leo"]

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Problem is, it's not on my download list. Anywhere.

Phantom_Leo

Then go back into Account Maintenance, or whatever the section of PSN is called where you can redeem codes and check on subscriptions and such. The same thing happened when everyone tried to redeem their free games after the whole Hacking episode earlier this year. You should see it in there. Nothing was lost; you just have to find it. It's in there.

Just checked my Download List "Batman Arkham City - Catwoman Bundle" sits right at the top. This means two things: (1)If your system should break, you can DL it as many times as necessary, as it is attached to your PSN account; just like any other game or DLC you may have purchased in the past. (2)You should check your Shopping Cart, if it is not in your Download History. If you redeemed the code and it worked, but just failed to download, it MUST be somewhere.

People need to understand the reason they are doing this.rjparkin

People need to understand the reason they are doing this.

rjparkin

Yeah to make more money by milking the gamers.

other the the ps3 -xbox and pc content are getting hacked all the time

what is the problem now?

[QUOTE="rjparkin"]People need to understand the reason they are doing this.savebattery

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="rjparkin"]People need to understand the reason they are doing this.Invisible_Kid2

I could care less. If you legitimately purchase the game, you get the full experience. If you jerk over the developer and pay them $0 for a game you allegedly love, you can only access 90% of the content according to the OP. I agree that the arrangement is unfair, but it's the devs that are getting the unfair part of the arrangement. If it was equal it would be a case where if you pay $0 for a game then you get access to 0% of the content, not 90%.Senor_Kami

If you jerk over the developer and pay them $0 for a game you allegedly loveSenor_Kami

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]If you jerk over the developer and pay them $0 for a game you allegedly lovefoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="rjparkin"]People need to understand the reason they are doing this.Invisible_Kid2

The difference between books, movies, music and magazines is that none of them are sold used right next to new ones or for just a few bills under the price of a new one either. I answered your questions by quoting a developer earlier in this thread.

Codes etc = CONTROL over the product AFTER purchase.

Video game devs have the opportunity to be crooked, so they are doing it.

All the law says is "Devs have all rights and can do anything they want."

Just remember YOU control the money.

Don't fall for hype and bullshots.

9 out of 10 games are trash.

Be selective, be stingy, be informed.

How many times have you fallen for an ad campaign that make the game seem so exciting. Then you bring it home, 2 hours later you're like "This game isn't even that good." 60 bucks down the toilet, wah wah wah wah.

I've played pretty much every major series of the last 25 years.

I could count the number of "must have" games on my two hands.

Right now my library is about 30 games.

Guess how many are in my "to sell" box in the closet. About 20.

I spent 2 nights playing Halo 3, it was not only waste of money but also waste of my valuable time. I would have got more entertainment watching an episode of CSI.

Remember this next time someone posts up a hype thread of "rawr game of the year."

Who are you kidding. Gamespot will give it 8.5 and I'll be struggling to stay awake as usual.

Most of you are too young to remember the gaming crash of the 1980's.

Dozens of companies were trying to sell games for Atari 2600 for $30-$40, and nobody was buying.

Eventually the market crashed and they started burying overstock cartridges in Arizona.

That's basically what's happening now except people are alot more gullible or the marketing is alot better, because most of this stuff belongs in a landfill somewhere.

Fine by me if developer chooses this course of action. I have the right to withhold purchase of this game until it becomes a $10 holiday/seasonal/daily special on Steam.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

I'm with you. It just boggles the mind of how these "gamers" defend garbage like this & continue to defend it like there's no tomorrow & acts like it's not a big deal.

Elann2008

I rarely buy used games, sir. But when publishers/developers keep on pushing ugly practices on what they're doing, that's when they cross the line. Unlike you, I don't support anti-consumer practices. They screw us, we screw them.

People need to understand the reason they are doing this.rjparkin

To rip tons more money off of gullible people that still stick up for awful practices like DLC, Online & Season Passes.

It loses them money. dkdk999

To rip tons more money off of gullible people that still stick up for awful practices like DLC, Online & Season Passes.garland51

DLC: On disc DLC is bad , but not proper DLC

Season Passes: Discount for consumers, and assured sales for upcoming DLC for the publisher. I don't see a problem here.

Online passes: This one is actually awful.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]It loses them money. foxhound_fox

If people did not have the option to buy used, I guarantee you there would be many more new sales.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]It loses them money. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="dkdk999"]It loses them money. MirkoS77

If people did not have the option to buy used, I guarantee you there would be many more new sales.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAd8ElGvobg&feature=feedu

L1 games/Muzz giving his views on Arkham City.

I'm watching Boomzies #17http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZwwJDzkFrI

They bring up a good idea on how Gamestop could help give devs money and not completely screw gamers over on online pass. GS buys online pass/codes for titles. When you buy the game used, you can either buy it online for $10 or through GS for $5. Or pro-rate online pass. If a game is now $30 new, or $20-$25 used, make the online pass reflect the current price. They said 10% and I agree. If you buy a used game for $55, then the pass would be $5.50. You buy it used for $20, online pass would be $2.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] That copy of the game was already paid for. That money already went to the developer. The developer/publisher shouldn't care what people do with it after that first purchase.187umKILLAH

It baffles me that some gamers are that thick they actually support this nonsense, these actions benefit ONLY the game companies & everything negative is put on the gaming community. It negatively affects the second hand sales market, the rental market and offline gamers too, imagine buying Batman AC only to find you have to go online or miss out on 10% of the game - considering 69.8% of the world does not have net access I'd say thats a lot of annoyed gamers. 18.5 million xbox users miss out on that 10% by default as they are not online. The devs/pubs should not care about the second hand sale as they've already made their money, they're just being greedy. Hell game sales generate more money annually than movies, but hey go do as your told & line their pockets & be a good mindless slave while I go get a copy of this game online for free as Batman AC has already been cracked lol.. serves them right too.

Exactly. And look, what's this? There's a complete edition of L.A. Noire coming out, with all DLC included! Wonderful!

Link.

This is why I hesitate to buy games when they first come out. Because publishers/developers purposefully take content out of the original versions & sell them as DLC to see what they get away with, then make another version of the same game for retail, & include the DLC along with it!

Just like with these games:

Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition.
Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition.
The Elder Scrolls IV - Oblivion: Game of the Year Edition.
Grand Theft Auto 4: Lost & Damned (on a disc).
Red Dead Redemption: Game of the Year Edition.

I can go on & on. Now you see why I constantly say that practices like DLC are bad for gaming & are a complete scam to milk more people out of money, & why I don't buy DLC for any game being out. Everyone needs to wake up & stop supporting such practices like DRM, DLC, Online passes/Season passes, etc. If more & more people were to stop supporting these practices, then the publishers/developers will stop doing it!

We need to send a message to these publishers/developers about it. They cater to us, we don't cater to them.

This is why I hesitate to buy games when they first come out. Because publishers/developers purposefully take content out of the original versions & sell them as DLC to see what they get away with, then make another version of the same game for retail, & include the DLC along with it!

Just like with these games:

Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition.
Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition.
The Elder Scrolls IV - Oblivion: Game of the Year Edition.
Grand Theft Auto 4: Lost & Damned (on a disc).
Red Dead Redemption: Game of the Year Edition.

I can go on & on. Now you see why I constantly say that practices like DLC are bad for gaming & are a complete scam to milk more people out of money, & why I don't buy DLC for any game being out. Everyone needs to wake up & stop supporting such practices like DRM, DLC, Online passes/Season passes, etc. If more & more people were to stop supporting these practices, then the publishers/developers will stop doing it!

garland51

Anti DLC people take the content removal thing way out of proportion. how is it a scam?

They're just being greedy *snip*187umKILLAH

Wouldn't you call GameStop greedy when almost 50% of their profits are derived from the sale of used games?