Games with extensive, well thought out lore?

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#1 HipHopBeats
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Besides games like Metal Gear Solid, Skyrim, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, what are some other games or franchises with good lore to check out?

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Now that I read that, I realized why I even use anything other than OT on this site because my Xbox 360 broke like 3 weeks ago so why do I even go anywhere other than OT? I miss playing GTA, Assassins Creed and all of that stuff.........
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Good is debateable, but Warcraft is pretty extensive. Well thought out? Well, there have been a few issues over the past.

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#4 AugustEngine
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Legacy of Kain is an easy recommendation. Silicon Knights and Crystal Dynamics kept a ridiculously tight grip on several hundred years worth of continuity. If I'm not mistaken, it's Soul Reaver 2 (third overall title) that has a pretty extensive timeline as a bonus feature.
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The Witcher 2 Amazing amount of lore and detail.
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Fable, Halo, Dragon age and the witcher all have plenty of in game lore and wiki's to keep you satisfied.
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Fable, Halo, Dragon age and the witcher all have plenty of in game lore and wiki's to keep you satisfied.Tazzman1000
Going to the wikis kinda kills it for me. I want to immerse myself, and if you read someone else's writing it's taken away.
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Halo Zelda
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Fallout franchise.

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their lore is separate, but each of souls games is brilliant. you'll get a brief cutscene at the beginning of each that sets the stage and then youre on your own. some easy to find npc's will fill you in further, but even they hide secrets until you complete some very missable sidequests. items each have descriptions that tell you more about the world, so the reward for finding some gear your build wont ever use is still great. item placement, enemy placement, and other parts of the level design as well as enemy design are embedded with nuggets of information. even the systems and mechanics are delivery methods for more background. everything is so integrated that you experience a world more than you get told a story.

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[QUOTE="Tazzman1000"]Fable, Halo, Dragon age and the witcher all have plenty of in game lore and wiki's to keep you satisfied.ShadowsDemon
Going to the wikis kinda kills it for me. I want to immerse myself, and if you read someone else's writing it's taken away.

True I'd rather find the lore in game aswell, however it gets really annoying in games like oblivion where some of the books can only be found as loot and you have to spend ages finding it. It gets tedious, especially in oblivions many copy and pasted dungeons.
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Knights in the Nightmare. Despite the fact that it is basically a stand alone game, the world feels very fleshed out and very detailed.

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Ivalice from Final Fantasy XII, Vagrant Story, and Final Fantasy Tactics. FFXII in particular.
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The Xenogears/Xenosaga lore is very extensive. I think Monolith soft even published a few Complete Works books to explain the game's background and world. There is so much backstory on anything and everything in the two games, you can tell that the creators really put a lot of effort into creating the world.

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Dragon Age, The Witcher 2, Golden Sun
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Noone yet mentioned Baldu's Gate / Forgotten Realsm at all?

- Baldur's Gate 1 & 2
- Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2
- Icewind Dale 1 & 2

All of those not only have expensive lore to check out, but their universe is the same and in some ways connected. Can take you a lifetime to study it though.

Also, The Elder Scrolls Series, though there lore started to get deep with 2 and really in depht in three, with lesser lore in IV and V again. That moment in Morrowind when I found an abandoned shack at the ocean shore to the west coast of Morrowind and a note in it written in such a poetic style that the best poem writers and robots would have cried and when I realized this masterpiece of writing had NOTHING to do with any side or mainquest but was just being there for the cause of just being there.....gosh, I will never forget why Morrowind was and still is the best of all Elder Scrolls games in my opinion.

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I doubt anyone's played it here, but I find the text based game Gemstone IV to have quite an extensive bit of lore. They have pantheons of deities and a very interesting world surrounding them.
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Noone yet mentioned Baldu's Gate / Forgotten Realsm at all?

- Baldur's Gate 1 & 2
- Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2
- Icewind Dale 1 & 2

All of those not only have expensive lore to check out, but their universe is the same and in some ways connected. Can take you a lifetime to study it though.Justforvisit

That's kinda cheating :P While the story of the games themselves are original, the setting and the lore that encompasses them has been around for decades in Dungeons & Dragons.

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[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

Noone yet mentioned Baldu's Gate / Forgotten Realsm at all?

- Baldur's Gate 1 & 2
- Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2
- Icewind Dale 1 & 2

All of those not only have expensive lore to check out, but their universe is the same and in some ways connected. Can take you a lifetime to study it though.AcidSoldner

That's kinda cheating :P While the story of the games themselves are original, the setting and the lore that encompasses them has been around for decades in Dungeons & Dragons.



Never intended to deny that. It's just he asked for games ^^

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[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"][QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

Noone yet mentioned Baldu's Gate / Forgotten Realsm at all?

- Baldur's Gate 1 & 2
- Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2
- Icewind Dale 1 & 2

All of those not only have expensive lore to check out, but their universe is the same and in some ways connected. Can take you a lifetime to study it though.Justforvisit

That's kinda cheating :P While the story of the games themselves are original, the setting and the lore that encompasses them has been around for decades in Dungeons & Dragons.



Never intended to deny that. It's just he asked for games ^^

If we're going by that logic, then star Wars is a must.

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[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]That's kinda cheating :P While the story of the games themselves are original, the setting and the lore that encompasses them has been around for decades in Dungeons & Dragons.

turtlethetaffer



Never intended to deny that. It's just he asked for games ^^

If we're going by that logic, then star Wars is a must.



Naaah, Star Wars Lore can only wish to be as deep as only 1% of forgotten realms, trying to go there in 100 years and still wouldn't have scratched 0.0001 % of The Forgotten Realms. Because by THAT logic, Star Wars is around since the 1970. D&D is around since....hm dunno, but certainly a lot longer. Though, both certainly have in common that fans of the "old generation" were mad at those of the "new generation" ^^

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

Never intended to deny that. It's just he asked for games ^^

Justforvisit

If we're going by that logic, then star Wars is a must.



Naaah, Star Wars Lore can only wish to be as deep as only 1% of forgotten realms, trying to go there in 100 years and still wouldn't have scratched 0.0001 % of The Forgotten Realms. Because by THAT logic, Star Wars is around since the 1970. D&D is around since....hm dunno, but certainly a lot longer. Though, both certainly have in common that fans of the "old generation" were mad at those of the "new generation" ^^

I wasn't implying that Star Wars's lore was as deep or whatever, but with all of the extended universe stories, the lore is certainly quite extensive. So why not say Star Wars? There is a ton of lore in it.

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[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

If we're going by that logic, then star Wars is a must.

turtlethetaffer



Naaah, Star Wars Lore can only wish to be as deep as only 1% of forgotten realms, trying to go there in 100 years and still wouldn't have scratched 0.0001 % of The Forgotten Realms. Because by THAT logic, Star Wars is around since the 1970. D&D is around since....hm dunno, but certainly a lot longer. Though, both certainly have in common that fans of the "old generation" were mad at those of the "new generation" ^^

I wasn't implying that Star Wars's lore was as deep or whatever, but with all of the extended universe stories, the lore is certainly quite extensive. So why not say Star Wars? There is a ton of lore in it.



Well, in my opinion Star Wars was always more about cinematics, effects and in the case of the old movies the story (which still got overshadowed by effects and cinematics) and also the Star Wars Games are layinf waaaay more towards effects, we have Battlefront I & II as well as The Force Unleased I & II which both lean as well to the aspect of effects and gameplay as well as action, can't say much about the quality of the story or lore of TFU because I never played those, but in Battlefront I & II it's nonexsitant. Nobody played SWBF II because they wanted to know the background of the soldiers, jedis, villains or heroes, everybody played it because they wanted to BE the Jedi, Sith, Hero or Soldier they always liked. And then we have a ton of X Wing Flight Simulators which also don't focus deeply on rich or extensive lore.

Last but not least we have KOTOR I & II and those two, ok, they may handle the topic (though unfortunatley I have never played them very excessive) of deep and rich lore, but still, that's 2 games in a bunch of Star Wars Franchise that clearly aims at action and effects up against 6 games which all focus deeply on story and lore.

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Lemme see.

Baldues Gate

Planescape torment

Fallout

Gungrave

the Legend of Zelda games (belive it or not)

MechWarrior

Starcraft (likely)

Warcraft (altho the later expansions to WoW, really messed it up)

Conflict Freespace

Homeworld

Metroid might be considered aswell

Deus Ex series

Thief series

Icewind Dale

Dead Space

Most older Final Fantasy games.

Earthbound

Chrono trigger

Looking at my list, most of the ones i remember are RPGs, not sure if its becaue its my favorite genre, or because they tend to have the best most extensive lore.

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Tazzman1000"]Fable, Halo, Dragon age and the witcher all have plenty of in game lore and wiki's to keep you satisfied.Tazzman1000
Going to the wikis kinda kills it for me. I want to immerse myself, and if you read someone else's writing it's taken away.

True I'd rather find the lore in game aswell, however it gets really annoying in games like oblivion where some of the books can only be found as loot and you have to spend ages finding it. It gets tedious, especially in oblivions many copy and pasted dungeons.

I only go to the wikis when I don't understand the story...which in my case is pretty rare. :P
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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

Naaah, Star Wars Lore can only wish to be as deep as only 1% of forgotten realms, trying to go there in 100 years and still wouldn't have scratched 0.0001 % of The Forgotten Realms. Because by THAT logic, Star Wars is around since the 1970. D&D is around since....hm dunno, but certainly a lot longer. Though, both certainly have in common that fans of the "old generation" were mad at those of the "new generation" ^^

Justforvisit

I wasn't implying that Star Wars's lore was as deep or whatever, but with all of the extended universe stories, the lore is certainly quite extensive. So why not say Star Wars? There is a ton of lore in it.



Well, in my opinion Star Wars was always more about cinematics, effects and in the case of the old movies the story (which still got overshadowed by effects and cinematics) and also the Star Wars Games are layinf waaaay more towards effects, we have Battlefront I & II as well as The Force Unleased I & II which both lean as well to the aspect of effects and gameplay as well as action, can't say much about the quality of the story or lore of TFU because I never played those, but in Battlefront I & II it's nonexsitant. Nobody played SWBF II because they wanted to know the background of the soldiers, jedis, villains or heroes, everybody played it because they wanted to BE the Jedi, Sith, Hero or Soldier they always liked. And then we have a ton of X Wing Flight Simulators which also don't focus deeply on rich or extensive lore.

Last but not least we have KOTOR I & II and those two, ok, they may handle the topic (though unfortunatley I have never played them very excessive) of deep and rich lore, but still, that's 2 games in a bunch of Star Wars Franchise that clearly aims at action and effects up against 6 games which all focus deeply on story and lore.

So you're going to completely ignore all of the books, comics and whatnot that have been written in the Star Wars universe? Really?

Also the Force Unleashed had a pretty cool story that expanded on the story of the original movies.

Despite the fact that most of the expanded universe isn't a video game, the fact of the matter is that the games take place in the same universe as the books, movies, etc, so the same lore applies to the games.

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I'm already familiar with Zelda games which imo has more appeal gameplay wise with limited lore or at least nothing worthwhile retaining other than different types of Triforce fragments, Link and Zelda and Ganon. Some pretty good suggestions in this thread though.

I don't really watch tv too much so I look for games that will last a long time with interesting backstories. Any more suggestions, let me know!

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I'm already familiar with Zelda games which imo has more appeal gameplay wise with limited lore or at least nothing worthwhile retaining other than different types of Triforce fragments, Link and Zelda and Ganon. Some pretty good suggestions in this thread though.

I don't really watch tv too much so I look for games that will last a long time with interesting backstories. Any more suggestions, let me know!

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As mentioned, the Legacy of Kain series had a pretty interesting world and unique concept. (Vampires and Time&Space travel concepts) Also as mentioned, the Deus Ex games had a great (pretty well thought out) conspiracy theory future world. If you like examining little details, to read through clippings, journals and such, System Shock 2 had good but simple sci-fi lore in there (I guess the Bioshock games as well, haven't played them).
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I'm already familiar with Zelda games which imo has more appeal gameplay wise with limited lore or at least nothing worthwhile retaining other than different types of Triforce fragments, Link and Zelda and Ganon. Some pretty good suggestions in this thread though.

I don't really watch tv too much so I look for games that will last a long time with interesting backstories. Any more suggestions, let me know!

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PS1 games: FF7, Chrono Trigger, Alundra, BoF 4

PS2 games: Dragon Quest 8, Rogue Galaxy, Tales of the Abyss,

PS3 games: RDR, Trinity Souls of Zill O'll, Resistance 3 (awesome campaign)

GBA games: Golden Sun 1 & 2, BoF 1 & 2, Fire Emblem,

Thats just off the top of my head, don't wanna think to much right now.