Gaming "journalism" is over. (article)

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#51  Edited By Revan_911
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@Minishdriveby said:

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it effects game devs. Some have come out publicly, some anonymously in support. They are all saying what these extremists journalists are doing are censoring them and making them walk on eggshels. They all want this to stop. Japan devs get less coverage and bad reviews because their culture and way of making games doesn't fit into these gaming journalists political agendas.

David Jaffe : watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-kJuTbWGKQ

CEO of Stardock : Was accused of sexual harassment of an employer. All of these websites covered this, he got death threats, and threats over the life of his child. This was proven false at court.

Did all of this happen during "gamergate"? What did gamergate do to put a stop to this?

It would be interesting to see how much influence reviews have on sales. I'm not sure there is much of a correlation. Resident Evil 6 still sell millions despite reviews. Okami still sells shit despite reviews. Of course, those are anecdotal examples, but it would be interesting to see a trend.

It didn't happen during GamerGate but we're also fighting to stop it from happening again you see? It's only going to get worse and worse. If you have been following twitter you would see that the people running these websites are delusional and irrational. Not to mention biggoted. When they're accusing everyone of being racists and misogynists for no reason at all they're projecting. They should not affect the gaming medium or indie gaming in any shape or form. A brilliant indie game will get mainstream recognition, but for the more middle brow stuff these websites are all they have. and if you're not part of a clique you're not important

And yes, reviews have an impact on gamesales. Some developers get bonuses is a game passes a certain meta-critic treshold.

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#52 Minishdriveby
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@Revan_911 said:

@Minishdriveby said:

@Revan_911 said:

it effects game devs. Some have come out publicly, some anonymously in support. They are all saying what these extremists journalists are doing are censoring them and making them walk on eggshels. They all want this to stop. Japan devs get less coverage and bad reviews because their culture and way of making games doesn't fit into these gaming journalists political agendas.

David Jaffe : watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-kJuTbWGKQ

CEO of Stardock : Was accused of sexual harassment of an employer. All of these websites covered this, he got death threats, and threats over the life of his child. This was proven false at court.

Did all of this happen during "gamergate"? What did gamergate do to put a stop to this?

It would be interesting to see how much influence reviews have on sales. I'm not sure there is much of a correlation. Resident Evil 6 still sell millions despite reviews. Okami still sells shit despite reviews. Of course, those are anecdotal examples, but it would be interesting to see a trend.

It didn't happen during GamerGate but we're also fighting to stop it from happening again you see? It's only going to get worse and worse. If you have been following twitter you would see that the people running these websites are delusional and irrational. Not to mention biggoted. When they're accusing everyone of being racists and misogynists for no reason at all they're projecting. They should not affect the gaming medium or indie gaming in any shape or form. A brilliant indie game will get mainstream recognition, but for the more middle brow stuff these websites are all they have. and if you're not part of a clique you're not important

And yes, reviews have an impact on gamesales. Some developers get bonuses is a game passes a certain meta-critic treshold.

And how much progress has your movement made?

Metacritic bonuses aren't really a problem with game journalism;this is more of an in house publisher-developer contract problem. Do you have evidence that reviews impact game sales? Alien Colonial Marines sold fairly well despite reviews. Resident Evil 6 sold fairly well despite reviews. SimCity (2013) sold fairly well despite reviews. It seems marketing budget has more to do with sales than critical reception.

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#53  Edited By Revan_911
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@Minishdriveby said:

@Revan_911 said:

@Minishdriveby said:

@Revan_911 said:

it effects game devs. Some have come out publicly, some anonymously in support. They are all saying what these extremists journalists are doing are censoring them and making them walk on eggshels. They all want this to stop. Japan devs get less coverage and bad reviews because their culture and way of making games doesn't fit into these gaming journalists political agendas.

David Jaffe : watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-kJuTbWGKQ

CEO of Stardock : Was accused of sexual harassment of an employer. All of these websites covered this, he got death threats, and threats over the life of his child. This was proven false at court.

Did all of this happen during "gamergate"? What did gamergate do to put a stop to this?

It would be interesting to see how much influence reviews have on sales. I'm not sure there is much of a correlation. Resident Evil 6 still sell millions despite reviews. Okami still sells shit despite reviews. Of course, those are anecdotal examples, but it would be interesting to see a trend.

It didn't happen during GamerGate but we're also fighting to stop it from happening again you see? It's only going to get worse and worse. If you have been following twitter you would see that the people running these websites are delusional and irrational. Not to mention biggoted. When they're accusing everyone of being racists and misogynists for no reason at all they're projecting. They should not affect the gaming medium or indie gaming in any shape or form. A brilliant indie game will get mainstream recognition, but for the more middle brow stuff these websites are all they have. and if you're not part of a clique you're not important

And yes, reviews have an impact on gamesales. Some developers get bonuses is a game passes a certain meta-critic treshold.

And how much progress has your movement made?

Metacritic bonuses aren't really a problem with game journalism;this is more of an in house publisher-developer contract problem. Do you have evidence that reviews impact game sales? Alien Colonial Marines sold fairly well despite reviews. Resident Evil 6 sold fairly well despite reviews. SimCity (2013) sold fairly well despite reviews. It seems marketing budget has more to do with sales than critical reception.

I already told you. Revised escapist policiies. And exposed how batshit insane these people who run these magazines and support this ideology really are. Their readership is falling. There are new developments every day. Publishers , devs are paying attention but nothing big so far. But they're pissed. If we keep it up they will react.

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#54 Minishdriveby
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@Revan_911 said:

@Minishdriveby said:

@Revan_911 said:

@Minishdriveby said:

@Revan_911 said:

it effects game devs. Some have come out publicly, some anonymously in support. They are all saying what these extremists journalists are doing are censoring them and making them walk on eggshels. They all want this to stop. Japan devs get less coverage and bad reviews because their culture and way of making games doesn't fit into these gaming journalists political agendas.

David Jaffe : watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-kJuTbWGKQ

CEO of Stardock : Was accused of sexual harassment of an employer. All of these websites covered this, he got death threats, and threats over the life of his child. This was proven false at court.

Did all of this happen during "gamergate"? What did gamergate do to put a stop to this?

It would be interesting to see how much influence reviews have on sales. I'm not sure there is much of a correlation. Resident Evil 6 still sell millions despite reviews. Okami still sells shit despite reviews. Of course, those are anecdotal examples, but it would be interesting to see a trend.

It didn't happen during GamerGate but we're also fighting to stop it from happening again you see? It's only going to get worse and worse. If you have been following twitter you would see that the people running these websites are delusional and irrational. Not to mention biggoted. When they're accusing everyone of being racists and misogynists for no reason at all they're projecting. They should not affect the gaming medium or indie gaming in any shape or form. A brilliant indie game will get mainstream recognition, but for the more middle brow stuff these websites are all they have. and if you're not part of a clique you're not important

And yes, reviews have an impact on gamesales. Some developers get bonuses is a game passes a certain meta-critic treshold.

And how much progress has your movement made?

Metacritic bonuses aren't really a problem with game journalism;this is more of an in house publisher-developer contract problem. Do you have evidence that reviews impact game sales? Alien Colonial Marines sold fairly well despite reviews. Resident Evil 6 sold fairly well despite reviews. SimCity (2013) sold fairly well despite reviews. It seems marketing budget has more to do with sales than critical reception.

I already told you. Revised escapist policiies. And exposed how batshit insane these people who run these magazines and support this ideology really are. There are new developments every day. Publishers , devs are paying attention but nothing big so far. But they're pissed. If we keep it up they will react.

From what I've heard these revised ethical policies are more in transparency in financial backing or relations between journalists and developers, not in the end of publishing these articles. I don't think this exposed how batshit insane 'these people' are either; they were already receiving flak for their articles.

Again developers and publishers don't and shouldn't react to this. It's unnecessary for them to get involved.

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No, I never knew how delusional they are. Before GamerGate I thought that they were just smug privileged white people preaching equality, which is not bad on it's own. After? These people are everything they project unto others. The #notyourshield tag, people were called out that they're not real minorities, that they're sockpuppet 4chan account, they were called gender traitors, even house n*****s. They called us terrorists, worse than ISIS

They were losing ti.

I think this is the peak of insanity right here. This article was deleted then, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I especialyl love this part

"There's some kind of conspiracy by the in-group to promote indie games at the expense of "real" games? What the **** are you talking about? Who cares who Zoe Quinn fucked, or didn't ****? It's none of your fucking business, unless you were one of the people involved, and most of you would give your left kidney to **** her, if you had any brains. You are unlikely ever to touch anyone with an iota of her talent or intelligence."

https://archive.today/vT7vp

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#56  Edited By gamingqueen
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@Revan_911 said:

@Minishdriveby said:

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A fresh article on this

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20140906VL200.html

I think the gamergate movement is far more important than any of us thinks. I have made a thread on system wars with some info if anyone wants to take a look

I don't think this is the case. What has been exposed during "gamergate"? I'm not entirely clear because it's been a muddled mess of shouting. I understand that developers are friends with game critics, but I knew this before gamergate. I understand that game critics may back kickstarter projects, but I knew this before gamer gate.

In the end, the whole scandal does not seem to have any positive influence on the making of video games, just how news is distributed about video games (if that). Console producers, publishers, and developers don't need to respond to allegations because this causes them to become entrenched in this scandal and makes them a target, something they've managed to avoid.

Well it did some good

It made not only the Escapist but the entire Defy media group change their ethics policies and guidelines. They also apologuised for the harm they've done because of false accusations on people.

It made Gamasutra/ Polygon/Kotaku/RPS and the other websites prove how delusional, irrational and out of touch they are. Not only that but they are very hateful and biggoted. These people are not fit to lead anything or leave a dent in gaming culture.

It exposed mass censorship in the gaming media, in forums, places like reddit /neogaf. People know where free speech is allowed.

And dont give me any of that "scandal" bullshit. Gamespot reported when a developer got arrested for owning CP. Suddenly a dev sleeping with a judge of an awards comitee is too scandalous to talk about anywhere on the internet. Anyway it's not about Zoe anymore, it has grown, but they're still making it about her.

I mean think about this. They claim that GamerGate is a movement against Zoe because sexist neckbeard gamers don't want women making games. Are you fucking serious? Not only does it deny all the female game devs and gamers in the history of gaming, but Zoe is also not important to video games and can't change anything. Fucking depression quest, I got it off steam it's free you go play it.

To think we would be going after Amy Henning the lead / director / writer of a Star Wars game. When has a women not been appreciated in any gaming community? I used to play WoW, women were always respected about people beat themselves up about who to help a girl first.

That's an oversimplification of the issue. Zoe was accused by one of her Ex's of having relationships with many people in the industry to get a boost in her career. That's sexist. Jade Raymond was accused of the same thing back 2006. It has been eight damn years and people still fire accusations at women for making games. While some games might not deliver but people, gamers especially, don't accuse male producers and game devs of sleeping around to get ahead in their career. This is why gamers gate is sexist. Please don't try to make it about something else because if not for Zoe's BF going online spreading this nonsense about her, there would be no hash tag nor people addressing work ethics in gaming journalism.

Don't get me started on the type of women who post in gamer gate and not your self. the "I don't need feminism" type. Which made it all the more sexist.

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It didn't happen during GamerGate but we're also fighting to stop it from happening again you see? It's only going to get worse and worse. If you have been following twitter you would see that the people running these websites are delusional and irrational. Not to mention biggoted. When they're accusing everyone of being racists and misogynists for no reason at all they're projecting. They should not affect the gaming medium or indie gaming in any shape or form. A brilliant indie game will get mainstream recognition, but for the more middle brow stuff these websites are all they have. and if you're not part of a clique you're not important

And yes, reviews have an impact on gamesales. Some developers get bonuses is a game passes a certain meta-critic treshold.

Fighting how exactly? I see a lot of calling out, but no initiatives to do it differently. Making these people go away isn't going to solve anything. The small part of game writing that could actually be considered journalism relies too much on the subject it's reporting on. For its revenue it relies on publishers and developers. If anyone wants decent journalism these people need to be able to operate more independently. They need to get their revenue from something that isn't directly focused on games, either from unrelated advertisement or from its audience. All these youtube soloists do not have the responsibility of larger websites, nor do they need as much revenue to keep their stuff running. No matter how justified all the complaining is, it's very easy to just complain.

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@gamingqueen: u paid her rent didn't u