Get GTA V back on shelves at Target and Kmart.

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#1 strothers101
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Please consider signing this petition, if games with explicit content are removed from shelves its only fair to see other works which promote similar ideals go the same way. Hopefully this will cause people to wake up to themselves.

https://www.change.org/p/target-withdraw-the-holy-bible-this-sickening-book-encourages-readers-to-commit-sexual-violence-and-kill-women

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#2 The_Last_Ride
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@strothers101: Yeah, feminists are really stupid to have removed them of the shelves

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#4 cablemodemx2
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Signed. How can they condone having a book with so much raw violence, both against men and women, if they are going to ban something like GTA:V...

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#5 The_Last_Ride
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@cablemodemx2 said:

Signed. How can they condone having a book with so much raw violence, both against men and women, if they are going to ban something like GTA:V...

signed it aswell :P. Keep sharing this :D

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#6  Edited By PimpHand_Gamer
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Not signing cause I would just find somewhere else to buy it. I couldn't care less who has a ban on what, there's always someone else that will take my money.

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#7 MrGeezer
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I hope you guys realize that by signing this petition, you're validating Target's decision to remove GTA V. Which is actually the OPPOSITE of what you're really trying to do.

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#8 VincentAntonio
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Actually I don’t care.

Target Australia is a s*** store in the s**** corner of the world, in a country run by puritans pro censorship

This is only one of many ridiculous cases of censorship in Australia, not only gaming, it includes movies, books…..

Remember time ago they wanted to do a “firewall” China style to “protect” their puritan population from the evils of internet?

Actually game industry should forget about them, I would not like that gaming to be dumbed down just to please those puritans and reach it’s market,

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#10 pook99
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If it was a petition to get GTA5 back on the shelves I would have signed it, but this is just idiotic.

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#11  Edited By Comduter
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Signed!! After all, I'm sure that banning the bible and all Target and Kmart stores will somehow convince them to sell GTA V again. I know that whenever I think of the Bible, it instantly reminds me of the GTA V.

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#12  Edited By BattleSpectre
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@jackrobot1 said:

Yep I'd rather give my moolah to EB Games than the big monopolizing chains. Sure EB are more expensive but they'll always price match if you ask.

JB-HI-Fi is where it's at mate.

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#14 loafofgame
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The point is not the apparent hypocrisy behind all this. Everybody is a hypocrit. The point is that GTA V is simply not big enough of a deal in this context. The bible is a big deal in many contexts, so it won't get banned. GTA V is just a game and you can still get it elsewhere, so not enough people care. Unless some petition manages to get all violent content removed from all retailers (which won't happen), not enough people will care.

If a group of feminists had created a petition to stop a certain game from getting sold in a dedicated videogame store, nothing would have probably happened, because that store knows its customers probably don't care and will buy games regardless. There's no PR and/or risk of losing customers to worry about.

And so this whole discussion will again be dominated by the two extreme ends. In this case, one side smartly picks its little battle and then lets the gamers rage, so that it's easy to point fingers and say: "look, they're all aggressive and entitled haters", which in turn will further enrage these gamers, who just have to express their aggression and rage on the internet, further proving the point of the opposite extreme. And in the meantime, all reason remains unnoticed.

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#15  Edited By MrGeezer
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@loafofgame said:

The point is not the apparent hypocrisy behind all this. Everybody is a hypocrit. The point is that GTA V is simply not big enough of a deal in this context. The bible is a big deal in many contexts, so it won't get banned. GTA V is just a game and you can still get it elsewhere, so not enough people care. Unless some petition manages to get all violent content removed from all retailers (which won't happen), not enough people will care.

If a group of feminists had created a petition to stop a certain game from getting sold in a dedicated videogame store, nothing would have probably happened, because that store knows its customers probably don't care and will buy games regardless. There's no PR and/or risk of losing customers to worry about.

And so this whole discussion will again be dominated by the two extreme ends. In this case, one side smartly picks its little battle and then lets the gamers rage, so that it's easy to point fingers and say: "look, they're all aggressive and entitled haters", which in turn will further enrage these gamers, who just have to express their aggression and rage on the internet, further proving the point of the opposite extreme. And in the meantime, all reason remains unnoticed.

The thing is, I don't think the people signing this petition REALLY want the Bible removed. They want GTA V back. Which makes this petition ridiculous.

Like you say, the Bible is too much of a big deal for any petition like this to get it removed. However, even if it was somehow effective in getting the Bible removed, that still does literally NOTHING to convince Target to bring back GTA V (which I strongly suspect is what people really want). How is convincing Target to also remove the Bible somehow supposed to solve the problem of Target removing GTA V?

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@cablemodemx2 said:

Signed. How can they condone having a book with so much raw violence, both against men and women, if they are going to ban something like GTA:V...

GTA5 wasn't banned...

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#17 loafofgame
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@MrGeezer said:

The thing is, I don't think the people signing this petition REALLY want the Bible removed. They want GTA V back. Which makes this petition ridiculous.

Like you say, the Bible is too much of a big deal for any petition like this to get it removed. However, even if it was somehow effective in getting the Bible removed, that still does literally NOTHING to convince Target to bring back GTA V (which I strongly suspect is what people really want). How is convincing Target to also remove the Bible somehow supposed to solve the problem of Target removing GTA V?

What I get from this Bible petition is that the person who organised this thinks that if GTA V should be removed, the Bible should be removed aswell, because the Bible is also promoting violence. This is an attempt to point out some double standard in censorship (if I read the explanation correctly). Why are these people only attacking GTA V? Why aren't they attacking (or whining about) all the other books/films/whatever with violent content?

But as I said, all the responsible people really don't care about double standards and GTA V is less than a meaningless toy compared to the Bible. It is this sense of relative relevance that a lot of people seem unwilling to acknowledge. Everybody has double standards. Pointing out some double standard in this context means absolutely nothing. The way I see it, this is all preaching to the choir. This petition will only prove a point in the eyes of the people who want to prove a point. Everybody knows they're not going to remove the Bible and everybody knows they're not going to bring GTA V back.

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#18  Edited By Lulu_Lulu
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Can't we get it off the shelves on the grounds that its a medoicre Open World game ?

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#19 MrGeezer
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@loafofgame said:

What I get from this Bible petition is that the person who organised this thinks that if GTA V should be removed, the Bible should be removed aswell, because the Bible is also promoting violence. This is an attempt to point out some double standard in censorship (if I read the explanation correctly). Why are these people only attacking GTA V? Why aren't they attacking (or whining about) all the other books/films/whatever with violent content?

But as I said, all the responsible people really don't care about double standards and GTA V is less than a meaningless toy compared to the Bible. It is this sense of relative relevance that a lot of people seem unwilling to acknowledge. Everybody has double standards. Pointing out some double standard in this context means absolutely nothing. The way I see it, this is all preaching to the choir. This petition will only prove a point in the eyes of the people who want to prove a point. Everybody knows they're not going to remove the Bible and everybody knows they're not going to bring GTA V back.

The thing is, they potentially COULD bring GTA V back if they actually focused on getting GTA V back instead of trying to point out some double standard that no one cares about. No doubt the only reason Target pulled GTAV is because they didn't want to lose some customers by offending them. But how many customers would they have possibly lost by keeping the game in the store? I can't say, but I have a hard time imagining that it's a lot. Most customers, I'd wager, don't give a shit one way or another. What would it take to bring GTA V back? All it would take is establishing that Target loses more customers (or more specifically, money) without the game than if they had the game on store shelves. I suspect that's actually potentially doable (or at least, would be if the people complaining about this actually shopped at Target).

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#20  Edited By Catalli  Moderator
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@Comduter said:

whenever I think of the Bible, it instantly reminds me of the GTA V.

I know right?? I mean, I get the feeling they tell the same story and as we all know the fanbase is really similar!

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#21 loafofgame
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@MrGeezer said:

The thing is, they potentially COULD bring GTA V back if they actually focused on getting GTA V back instead of trying to point out some double standard that no one cares about. No doubt the only reason Target pulled GTAV is because they didn't want to lose some customers by offending them. But how many customers would they have possibly lost by keeping the game in the store? I can't say, but I have a hard time imagining that it's a lot. Most customers, I'd wager, don't give a shit one way or another. What would it take to bring GTA V back? All it would take is establishing that Target loses more customers (or more specifically, money) without the game than if they had the game on store shelves. I suspect that's actually potentially doable (or at least, would be if the people complaining about this actually shopped at Target).

That would be interesting to find out. I highly doubt they'd succeed, though, because Target probably knows its customer demographics pretty well. It would need a very good reason to put GTA V back on the shelves. But well, you won't know until you try.

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#22  Edited By MrGeezer
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@loafofgame said:
@MrGeezer said:

The thing is, they potentially COULD bring GTA V back if they actually focused on getting GTA V back instead of trying to point out some double standard that no one cares about. No doubt the only reason Target pulled GTAV is because they didn't want to lose some customers by offending them. But how many customers would they have possibly lost by keeping the game in the store? I can't say, but I have a hard time imagining that it's a lot. Most customers, I'd wager, don't give a shit one way or another. What would it take to bring GTA V back? All it would take is establishing that Target loses more customers (or more specifically, money) without the game than if they had the game on store shelves. I suspect that's actually potentially doable (or at least, would be if the people complaining about this actually shopped at Target).

That would be interesting to find out. I highly doubt they'd succeed, though, because Target probably knows its customer demographics pretty well. It would need a very good reason to put GTA V back on the shelves. But well, you won't know until you try.

Yeah, that's why I said "potentially". As others have pointed out, Target isn't exactly the #1 spot where gamers buy games. So I'd wager that most of the people who are mad about this don't shop at Target anyway (which means no lost sales if they get pissed off).

I'll wager that most Target shoppers just don't care one way or the other.

But there are POTENTIALLY Target customers who want to buy the game from Target (otherwise they wouldn't have sold the game there in the first place) and there are POTENTIALLY people who'll stop giving Target money if Target continues to sell the game (which seems to me to be the only logical reason to stop carrying the game). But the bottom line is that I seriously doubt that there's a terribly pro or con element. I can't imagine that most of Target's customer base actually cares one way or the other, but that the majority of Target shoppers really just don't give a shit one way or the other. If that's the case (and I admit that I may be totally wrong about that), then you're talking about a minority battling with another minority in order to see who is the favored minority. At that point...yeah it could go either way since the majority doesn't care the least about this shit.

EDIT: In any case, petitioning to bring back GTAV might be unlikely to succeed, but I think going that route has a much higher chance of being successful than petitioning to have the Bible removed.

Even if the only point of the Bible petition is to illustrate the double standard, what does that actually accomplish? Does Target not realize that it's a double standard? Of course they do. They probably don't care about that, all they likely care about is maximizing profits.

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@Lulu_Lulu said:

Can't we get it off the shelves on the grounds that its a medoicre Open World game ?

I petition to have you removed from Gamespot!

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Why me ? :(

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#25 Byshop  Moderator
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@strothers101: If only there were 100 other places where you could buy the game...

A retailer can choose to carry whatever they want for whatever reasons and a consumer can choose whether or not they patronize that business.

@jackrobot1 said:

Yep I'd rather give my moolah to EB Games than the big monopolizing chains. Sure EB are more expensive but they'll always price match if you ask.

I hate to break this to you but EBGames -is- one of the big monopolizing chains. It's a division of Gamestop and has almost 6500 locations worldwide (over three times more locations than Target). They also muscle out the local mom and pop game stores by getting exclusive rights to the launch dates for certain games and even getting developers to create in-game content that's exclusive to Gamestop purchased copies.

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#26 loafofgame
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@MrGeezer said:

Yeah, that's why I said "potentially". As others have pointed out, Target isn't exactly the #1 spot where gamers buy games. So I'd wager that most of the people who are mad about this don't shop at Target anyway (which means no lost sales if they get pissed off).

I'll wager that most Target shoppers just don't care one way or the other.

But there are POTENTIALLY Target customers who want to buy the game from Target (otherwise they wouldn't have sold the game there in the first place) and there are POTENTIALLY people who'll stop giving Target money if Target continues to sell the game (which seems to me to be the only logical reason to stop carrying the game). But the bottom line is that I seriously doubt that there's a terribly pro or con element. I can't imagine that most of Target's customer base actually cares one way or the other, but that the majority of Target shoppers really just don't give a shit one way or the other. If that's the case (and I admit that I may be totally wrong about that), then you're talking about a minority battling with another minority in order to see who is the favored minority. At that point...yeah it could go either way since the majority doesn't care the least about this shit.

EDIT: In any case, petitioning to bring back GTAV might be unlikely to succeed, but I think going that route has a much higher chance of being successful than petitioning to have the Bible removed.

Even if the only point of the Bible petition is to illustrate the double standard, what does that actually accomplish? Does Target not realize that it's a double standard? Of course they do. They probably don't care about that, all they likely care about is maximizing profits.

Agreed.