How did the Gamecube lose to the XBOX? Someone explain to me. How?

Here's what people said about the Xbox brand when it first came out and was mentiond: "What's an Xbox?"

Barely any market recognition, and the PS2 destroying sales prevented that from happening. Now here's my concern, the Gamecube was by nintendo anriding the MASSIVE hype of certain N64 games, so how did the gamecube software third and first, sell LESS than the XBOX's? Nintendo is a much more recognized comapny. What happend to the hype from the N64?

When the Xbox pulled out early to realese the 360 early for the reason above, to gain market recognition BEFORE the other two released their 7th gen consoles, the Gamecube was still selling for a few more years with more games. Did the games even sell during this time? How did the box stil get ahead?

I want someone to tell me what factors caused the Gamecube to lose to the Xbox withhype from the N64, more brand recognition, and more time on the shelf? Please actually explain this to me. Where the Gamecube games that bad? Where the N64 game snot good at all If the Gamecube soald less by over 1 million units at the end after having extra shelf life over the Xbox, tan what the heck was the gamecube selling before that? 100K a year?

This confuses me greatly.

I want someone to tell me what factors caused the Gamecube to lose to the Xbox with hype from the N64

Shockwave-DASH

That, coupled with Nintendo's general lack of games seeking a photorealistic artstyIe led to a common misconception, especially in the United States, of the system being "kiddie".famicommander

this may sound absurd, but do you think the disc type was a factor?

I hoenstly remember some people being negatvie and skeptical of those smaller discs (I'm being serious)

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"]

I want someone to tell me what factors caused the Gamecube to lose to the Xbox with hype from the N64

TheKungFool

I'd have to agree with you. I really lost interest with Nintendo with the N64. Sony was just rocking the world the last two generations I just really had no reason to get a gamecube.

this may sound absurd, but do you think the disc type was a factor?

I hoenstly remember some people being negatvie and skeptical of those smaller discs (I'm being serious)

TheKungFool

The discs just seemed novelty to me, which turned me off even more to the system. I kept thinking if some PSX RPGs were 4 conventional discs, what would that be on the gamecube, 7, 8 discs? Obviously not knowing much at the time...

Can someone tell me if there was actually a benefit to having the smaller discs, RPMs or something, besides the novelty factor?

The reasons were:

• Halo
• Xbox Live
• DVD
• Mostly had superior multiplats

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[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"]

I want someone to tell me what factors caused the Gamecube to lose to the Xbox with hype from the N64

Samslayer

I'd have to agree with you. I really lost interest with Nintendo with the N64. Sony was just rocking the world the last two generations I just really had no reason to get a gamecube.

When the Xbox pulled out early to realese the 360 early for the reason above

Shockwave-DASH

but for me the reason WAS the N64. Simply put, the N64 was horrid, and completely soured me on Nintendo.

TheKungFool

+1

The N64 severly disappointed me, especially since we had the awesomeness of the Super Nintendo right before it.

We can break it down to technological specs, differing libraries of games aimed at different audiences of gamers, prices of hardware and software, ease of online use, a maturing generation of gamers, yadda yadda yadda, but it boils down to one thing...

Halo.

[QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

this may sound absurd, but do you think the disc type was a factor?

I hoenstly remember some people being negatvie and skeptical of those smaller discs (I'm being serious)

Samslayer

The discs just seemed novelty to me, which turned me off even more to the system. I kept thinking if some PSX RPGs were 4 conventional discs, what would that be on the gamecube, 7, 8 discs? Obviously not knowing much at the time...

Can someone tell me if there was actually a benefit to having the smaller discs, RPMs or something, besides the novelty factor?

1. Halo

2. Halo 2

3. Online play

4. Better graphics

5. More multi-plat support (GC missed out on several key 3rd party games such as the GTA series, Max Payne series, Burnout 3, ect.)

6. "Kiddy" image

7. No DVD playback/no modabilty (read: hard piracy on GC)

8. Less games that appeal to teens and younger adults (I may be stereotyping but so it is)

9. Exclusive ports of some big PC shooters and RPGs (see point 8)

10. No Rare

1. Halo

2. Halo 2

nameless12345

Everyone here has great reasons but one of the biggest had to be Live. I mean playing Halo 2 on live was an amazing thing, never had there been anything to that extend on consoles before(yes I know past consoles had online but not like this). The disappointment of the N64 and the lack of a DVD drive were also big as well. TheColbert

Pretty much the first thing that popped in my mind seeing this thread title was Halo.

To be honest, there were a ton of great games on the Cube but I just don't feel like they had a offline multi-player system seller the likes of which they had w/, say, Goldeneye on N64--and the multiplayer is mostly what made the N64 worth having. (I said mostly!)

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

1. Halo

2. Halo 2

logicalfrank

Everyone here has great reasons but one of the biggest had to be Live. I mean playing Halo 2 on live was an amazing thing, never had there been anything to that extend on consoles before(yes I know past consoles had online but not like this). The disappointment of the N64 and the lack of a DVD drive were also big as well. TheColbert

Pretty much the first thing that popped in my mind seeing this thread title was Halo.

To be honest, there were a ton of great games on the Cube but I just don't feel like they had a offline multi-player system seller the likes of which they had w/, say, Goldeneye on N64--and the multiplayer is mostly what made the N64 worth having. (I said mostly!)

As much as some Nintendo fans would like to deny that, Nintendo does need a "heavy-hitter" exclusive FPS.

GC had only Geist and while interesting, it lacked the impact and "ground-breakingness" of GE.

And Wii was even worse with Red Steel, which was also interesting (first-person swordfighting) but failed to deliver.

Zombi U for Wii U looks decent but I doubt it'll move units or shock the gaming world.

They would need to give one of their exclusive devs (read: Retro) the chance to make a big new FPS IP imo.

Perhaps something that would combine the best aspects of shooting, fighting, platforming and exploration in first-person perspective.

[QUOTE="Samslayer"]

[QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

I can only speak of my personal reasons.......

but for me the reason WAS the N64. Simply put, the N64 was horrid, and completely soured me on Nintendo.

the N64 had a terrible library for me, with no rpgs, no shmups, and no horror/mature type titles.
when the NGC launched, I honestly expected it to be much the same as the N64, so I didn't buy one (got one after the fact)

Basically, had the N64 not been so rubbish, I would have stayed on board with Nintendo, but by the time the PS2/NGC/Xbox gen came around, the previous gen had converted me away from Ninty

supernes93

I'd have to agree with you. I really lost interest with Nintendo with the N64. Sony was just rocking the world the last two generations I just really had no reason to get a gamecube.

It shouldn't confuse you. Halo is the biggest reason, it took over the world when it came out

Reasons why people liked Xbox-

• Halo 1 and 2
• Xbox Live
• DVD
• Art and Graphics used for various games
• Built-in memory unit

halo one was better on the pc cause it had online multiplayer, and once you had halo one online you dont need halo two, unless you like the battle rifle that much lol. and who watches dvds anyway, they are just mind control. And what other reason is there to own an xbox unless your playing halo or forza.

[QUOTE="Samslayer"]

[QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

I can only speak of my personal reasons.......

but for me the reason WAS the N64. Simply put, the N64 was horrid, and completely soured me on Nintendo.

the N64 had a terrible library for me, with no rpgs, no shmups, and no horror/mature type titles.
when the NGC launched, I honestly expected it to be much the same as the N64, so I didn't buy one (got one after the fact)

Basically, had the N64 not been so rubbish, I would have stayed on board with Nintendo, but by the time the PS2/NGC/Xbox gen came around, the previous gen had converted me away from Ninty

supernes93

I'd have to agree with you. I really lost interest with Nintendo with the N64. Sony was just rocking the world the last two generations I just really had no reason to get a gamecube.

halo one was better on the pc cause it had online multiplayer, and once you had halo one online you dont need halo two, unless you like the battle rifle that much lol. and who watches dvds anyway, they are just mind control. And what other reason is there to own an xbox unless your playing halo or forza.

supernes93

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When the Xbox pulled out early to realese the 360 early for the reason above

dotWithShoes

1. Halo

2. Halo 2

3. Online play

4. Better graphics

5. More multi-plat support (GC missed out on several key 3rd party games such as the GTA series, Max Payne series, Burnout 3, ect.)

6. "Kiddy" image

7. No DVD playback/no modabilty (read: hard piracy on GC)

8. Less games that appeal to teens and younger adults (I may be stereotyping but so it is)

9. Exclusive ports of some big PC shooters and RPGs (see point 8)

10. No Rare

nameless12345

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] For the life of me I cannot find the reason that the Xbox was discontinued ANYWHERE in your post. Shockwave-DASH

1. Halo

2. Halo 2

3. Online play

4. Better graphics

5. More multi-plat support (GC missed out on several key 3rd party games such as the GTA series, Max Payne series, Burnout 3, ect.)

6. "Kiddy" image

7. No DVD playback/no modabilty (read: hard piracy on GC)

8. Less games that appeal to teens and younger adults (I may be stereotyping but so it is)

9. Exclusive ports of some big PC shooters and RPGs (see point 8)

10. No Rare

nameless12345

Yea, for 1 game only. Donkey Kong Racing, Kameo, PDZ, Banjo-Threeie, ect. were all canned or emerged much later and didn't impress (such as Kameo and PDZ which eventually saw a 360 release).

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"]

When the Xbox pulled out early to realese the 360 early for the reason above

Shockwave-DASH

[QUOTE="logicalfrank"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="TheColbert"]Everyone here has great reasons but one of the biggest had to be Live. I mean playing Halo 2 on live was an amazing thing, never had there been anything to that extend on consoles before(yes I know past consoles had online but not like this). The disappointment of the N64 and the lack of a DVD drive were also big as well. nameless12345

Pretty much the first thing that popped in my mind seeing this thread title was Halo.

To be honest, there were a ton of great games on the Cube but I just don't feel like they had a offline multi-player system seller the likes of which they had w/, say, Goldeneye on N64--and the multiplayer is mostly what made the N64 worth having. (I said mostly!)

As much as some Nintendo fans would like to deny that, Nintendo does need a "heavy-hitter" exclusive FPS.

GC had only Geist and while interesting, it lacked the impact and "ground-breakingness" of GE.

And Wii was even worse with Red Steel, which was also interesting (first-person swordfighting) but failed to deliver.

Zombi U for Wii U looks decent but I doubt it'll move units or shock the gaming world.

They would need to give one of their exclusive devs (read: Retro) the chance to make a big new FPS IP imo.

Perhaps something that would combine the best aspects of shooting, fighting, platforming and exploration in first-person perspective.

I wouldn't really say there was a clear loss in the first place. It was 24 vs 22 million. If you want to call that a loss, then it was caused by Microsoft's marketing.

[QUOTE="supernes93"]

halo one was better on the pc cause it had online multiplayer, and once you had halo one online you dont need halo two, unless you like the battle rifle that much lol. and who watches dvds anyway, they are just mind control. And what other reason is there to own an xbox unless your playing halo or forza.

Shockwave-DASH

Also people actually believe HALO was the only reason? Halo didn't even account for half the XBOX sales, and that's assuming people brought Halo with an XBOX every unit, which is probably not true, and even then, same point as above, it did not even sell have the Xbox units, so what sold the rest? Also those saying the XBOX was the reason the 360 got ahead of the PS3? No. There's a reason why MS released first. They had barely any recognition.Shockwave-DASH

And what other reason is there to own an xbox unless your playing halo or forza?

supernes93

maybe the minidvd thing turned a lot of people off too... made many games 2 discs instead of 1.

[QUOTE="supernes93"]

And what other reason is there to own an xbox unless your playing halo or forza?

TheKungFool

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="logicalfrank"]

Pretty much the first thing that popped in my mind seeing this thread title was Halo.

To be honest, there were a ton of great games on the Cube but I just don't feel like they had a offline multi-player system seller the likes of which they had w/, say, Goldeneye on N64--and the multiplayer is mostly what made the N64 worth having. (I said mostly!)

Kaszilla

As much as some Nintendo fans would like to deny that, Nintendo does need a "heavy-hitter" exclusive FPS.

GC had only Geist and while interesting, it lacked the impact and "ground-breakingness" of GE.

And Wii was even worse with Red Steel, which was also interesting (first-person swordfighting) but failed to deliver.

Zombi U for Wii U looks decent but I doubt it'll move units or shock the gaming world.

They would need to give one of their exclusive devs (read: Retro) the chance to make a big new FPS IP imo.

Perhaps something that would combine the best aspects of shooting, fighting, platforming and exploration in first-person perspective.

Metroid Prime, despite it's qualities, failed to repeat the success of GoldenEye and was more of a first-person adventure shooter than a traditional FPS.

[QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

[QUOTE="supernes93"]

And what other reason is there to own an xbox unless your playing halo or forza?

supernes93

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="supernes93"]

halo one was better on the pc cause it had online multiplayer, and once you had halo one online you dont need halo two, unless you like the battle rifle that much lol. and who watches dvds anyway, they are just mind control. And what other reason is there to own an xbox unless your playing halo or forza.

supernes93

[QUOTE="supernes93"][QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

um.....the countless other great games on the system perhaps?

TheKungFool

GC > Xbox.

Next time if you want to stop a troll actually name games so he can shut up.Shockwave-DASH

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Next time if you want to stop a troll actually name games so he can shut up.TheKungFool

I agree with this. And to add to this: I'd rather play console versions of many of the games because it's just less of a hassle. I have Windows 7 and Windows 7 does not want to be compatible with a lot of games. And I don't want to have some games work while other don't, and have to use DOS Box for other games even. Plus I have to have updated RAM and video card for the latest games. Or for older games I might have to hunt down some random file online to make it work. Too frustrating for all of that when I could just pop a disc into my XBox instead.

And that is a fantastic list of XBox games, I'd add some more great XBox games to the list that aren't on Gamecube:

• Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
• Fable
• Jade Empire
• Marvel Ultimate Alliance
• MechAssault 1 & 2
• Star Wars: Battlefront 1 & 2
• Tecmo Arcade Classics
• WWF Raw 1 & 2

[QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Next time if you want to stop a troll actually name games so he can shut up.Emerald_Warrior

I agree with this. And to add to this: I'd rather play console versions of many of the games because it's just less of a hassle. I have Windows 7 and Windows 7 does not want to be compatible with a lot of games. And I don't want to have some games work while other don't, and have to use DOS Box for other games even. Plus I have to have updated RAM and video card for the latest games. Or for older games I might have to hunt down some random file online to make it work. Too frustrating for all of that when I could just pop a disc into my XBox instead.

And that is a fantastic list of XBox games, I'd add some more great XBox games to the list that aren't on Gamecube:

• Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
• Fable
• Jade Empire
• Marvel Ultimate Alliance
• MechAssault 1 & 2
• Star Wars: Battlefront 1 & 2
• Tecmo Arcade Classics
• WWF Raw 1 & 2

for most games, simply using the compatibility option works fine.

its not exactly a hard thing to do, and for alot of games (RTS being particular), I would rather spend 5 minutes looking for a fan made patch online, rather than play the console versions.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="TheKungFool"]

thanks for the advice big brother, but I'm not really worried about "stopping him" or whatever, nor was I about to post a list of games like the guy a few posts above did that doesn't actually make the point (because its a pretty weak list)

its actually fairly true that the Xbox's best titles were often ports, multiplats, or also on PC.
but that doesn't make it not worth owning.

Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Star Wars: KotOR II: Sith Lords
Deus Ex Invisible War
Thief III Deadly Shadows
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Sudeki
Halo Combat Evolved
Half Life 2
Chronicles of Riddick

those were the games I owned on Xbox, and I really don't care which of them are/aren't on PC or another platform.

Darkman2007

I agree with this. And to add to this: I'd rather play console versions of many of the games because it's just less of a hassle. I have Windows 7 and Windows 7 does not want to be compatible with a lot of games. And I don't want to have some games work while other don't, and have to use DOS Box for other games even. Plus I have to have updated RAM and video card for the latest games. Or for older games I might have to hunt down some random file online to make it work. Too frustrating for all of that when I could just pop a disc into my XBox instead.

And that is a fantastic list of XBox games, I'd add some more great XBox games to the list that aren't on Gamecube:

• Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
• Fable
• Jade Empire
• Marvel Ultimate Alliance
• MechAssault 1 & 2
• Star Wars: Battlefront 1 & 2
• Tecmo Arcade Classics
• WWF Raw 1 & 2

for most games, simply using the compatibility option works fine.

Not even close to "most games". To name a few examples from my PC collection that Windows 7 has issues with: Diablo will install and play but looks like a rainbow puked all over it, Hexen won't install but at least I can play it off of disc. Star Trek Voyager Elite Force will start to play, then just shut down. Neverwinter Nights will install, but won't make it past the load screen. Duke Nukem 1 is just glitchy constantly as it plays. Jazz Jackrabbit won't do a thing but give me an error message. It's at the point where I've just said the hell with it.