I noticed that during there times, people played and explored more games on GEN.
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Now the question is, why is that? Why where GEN owners more willing to explore the library than any other owner?Shockwave-DASH
because they had to.
personally, I think the top say 20-30 or so SNES games were just so impactful that they became "must haves" in a way that Genesis games just didn't match, at least for me personally.
when I got my Genesis, I had to explore the lineup because there weren't as manyconcensus "you need this" games.
when I got my SNES, I had a list of games that were guaranteed must-haves.
genesis is trash. name all the good games on the genesis and ill name off the good snes games. and we'll see whos list is bigger.
I don't agree with this in any way whatsoever. What SNES fans didn't explore the game library? Are you trying to imply that all (or even most) SNES owners bought only a handful of games and stuck to those games only? Please. As cool Super Metroid or Super Mario World may be, you get sick of those games even if they're the only ones you ever played.
I owned both systems when they were current (at different times), and I explored both game libraries, a lot. I may not have had the income that I do now as an adult to spend on TONS of games, but those I couldn't buy, I rented at the local video store.
Now if you're talking about JUST casual gamers, I'd STILL diagree. If you asked someone on the street back then that was not a regular gamer if they had played Sonic, you'd get a number of them to reply yes. Ask those same people people if they had played Gunstar Heroes and they'd look at you and ask if that was a cartoon or a movie.
Are you really interested in a comparison? You sound rather ... relentless. Which libraries would you take as basis: US releases, EU releases or Japanese releases, or a any combination of them?genesis is trash. name all the good games on the genesis and ill name off the good snes games. and we'll see whos list is bigger.
supernes93
Part of it was Nintendo could fall back on franchises from the NES era where Sega did not really have as many big-name titles on the Master System. A very strong percentage of the best loved SNES games have NES predecessors. I really can't say whether Genesis people explored the library more than SNES people. All I can say is that at the time, SNES had a lot of sequels to stuff I already knew while I looked at the Genesis library w/ fresh eyes.
[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Now the question is, why is that? Why where GEN owners more willing to explore the library than any other owner?TheKungFool
because they had to.
personally, I think the top say 20-30 or so SNES games were just so impactful that they became "must haves" in a way that Genesis games just didn't match, at least for me personally.
when I got my Genesis, I had to explore the lineup because there weren't as manyconcensus "you need this" games.
when I got my SNES, I had a list of games that were guaranteed must-haves.
There is no top 30, I said during there time, there was no top 30. During there time only a certain amount of SNES title3s had an direct impact, I am not saying that very few did, but not even close to 30. Also like PS3 games, once you get past those top rated games, the games jump cut into the red zone.
Shockwavw, do you mind fixing you're post up there? The quotes got all goofy.Heirrenfixed.
[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] The Gen had more people exploring the library. That is completely untrue. Both the genesis and snes were equally "explored". This was do to the prominence of renting games from stores like Blockbuster Video. It wasn't uncommon for people back then to play the bulk of these systems libraries. I've played so many different games from that gen that I couldn't even name 80% of them.Shockwave-DASHNo you and Emerald did the same thing, you are not the general public, the general public borught more genesis games with a wider range while most of the best selling games on the SNES were thrown out at you with very few exceptions and the rest of the library suffered as a result, and not just in NA. It also doesn't help that Nin was still treating devs as trash during that and the last generation which kicked there butt 5th gen.
I addressed the general public part of it in my first post, it was the last paragraph of it:
Now if you're talking about JUST casual gamers, I'd STILL diagree. If you asked someone on the street back then that was not a regular gamer if they had played Sonic, you'd get a number of them to reply yes. Ask those same people people if they had played Gunstar Heroes and they'd look at you and ask if that was a cartoon or a movie.
There is no top 30, I said during there time, there was no top 30. During there time only a certain amount of SNES title3s had an direct impact, I am not saying that very few did, but not even close to 30. Also like PS3 games, once you get past those top rated games, the games jump cut into the red zone.Shockwave-DASH
Notice how I said 20-30, and you focussed on 30? Anyhow, to me, there were at least 20 impactful games on the SNES, and easily another 10 depending upon what genres you're into (for me, its rpgs, so its quite easy to list more impactful titles)
Super Mario World
Super Mario World 2
Super Mario All Stars
Super Mario Kart
Mario RPG Legend of 7 Stars
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
Super Metroid
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy III
Mega Man X
CastleVania IV
Contra III Alien Wars
Street Fighter II
Donkey Kong Country
F-Zero
StarFox
Chrono Trigger
Secret of Mana
Super Punch Out
Kirby Super Star
and then I'd add:
Earthbound
Ogre Battle
Breath of Fire I & II
Lufia I & II
Secret of Evermore
CastleVania Dracula X
Mega Man X2
Act Rasier
Demon's Crest
Donkey Kong Country 2 & 3
Earthworm Jim
R-Type III
Super Ghouls & Ghosts
Super Star Wars / Empire Strikes Back / Return of the Jedi
killer Instinct
Mortal Kombat
Battle Clash
[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"]There is no top 30, I said during there time, there was no top 30. During there time only a certain amount of SNES title3s had an direct impact, I am not saying that very few did, but not even close to 30. Also like PS3 games, once you get past those top rated games, the games jump cut into the red zone.TheKungFool
Notice how I said 20-30, and you focussed on 30? Anyhow, to me, there were at least 20 impactful games on the SNES, and easily another 10 depending upon what genres you're into (for me, its rpgs, so its quite easy to list more impactful titles)
Super Mario World
Super Mario World 2
Super Mario All Stars
Super Mario Kart
Mario RPG Legend of 7 Stars
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
Super Metroid
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy III
Mega Man X
CastleVania IV
Contra III Alien Wars
Street Fighter II
Donkey Kong Country
F-Zero
StarFox
Chrono Trigger
Secret of Mana
Super Punch Out
Kirby Super Star
and then I'd add:
Earthbound
Ogre Battle
Breath of Fire I & II
Lufia I & II
Secret of Evermore
CastleVania Dracula X
Mega Man X2
Act Rasier
Demon's Crest
Donkey Kong Country 2 & 3
Earthworm Jim
R-Type III
Super Ghouls & Ghosts
Super Star Wars / Empire Strikes Back / Return of the Jedi
killer Instinct
Mortal Kombat
Battle Clash
See this is why we get nowhere. You are not the general public. You by yourself, cannot change what outcome already happened. General wise more games were explored with Genesis, and in the general public, the top SNES games if you were to ask a SNES owner would be nowhere near the numbers you said before. I am speaking during there time. NNNNNNNNNN Damn keyboard messing with my N key.
[QUOTE="TheKungFool"][QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"]There is no top 30, I said during there time, there was no top 30. During there time only a certain amount of SNES title3s had an direct impact, I am not saying that very few did, but not even close to 30. Also like PS3 games, once you get past those top rated games, the games jump cut into the red zone.Shockwave-DASH
Notice how I said 20-30, and you focussed on 30? Anyhow, to me, there were at least 20 impactful games on the SNES, and easily another 10 depending upon what genres you're into (for me, its rpgs, so its quite easy to list more impactful titles)
Super Mario World
Super Mario World 2
Super Mario All Stars
Super Mario Kart
Mario RPG Legend of 7 Stars
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
Super Metroid
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy III
Mega Man X
CastleVania IV
Contra III Alien Wars
Street Fighter II
Donkey Kong Country
F-Zero
StarFox
Chrono Trigger
Secret of Mana
Super Punch Out
Kirby Super Star
and then I'd add:
Earthbound
Ogre Battle
Breath of Fire I & II
Lufia I & II
Secret of Evermore
CastleVania Dracula X
Mega Man X2
Act Rasier
Demon's Crest
Donkey Kong Country 2 & 3
Earthworm Jim
R-Type III
Super Ghouls & Ghosts
Super Star Wars / Empire Strikes Back / Return of the Jedi
killer Instinct
Mortal Kombat
Battle Clash
See this is why we get nowhere. You are not the general public. You by yourself, cannot change what outcome already happened. General wise more games were explored with Genesis, and in the general public, the top SNES games if you were to ask a SNES owner would be nowhere near the numbers you said before. I am speaking during there time. NNNNNNNNNN Damn keyboard messing with my N key. Based on what proof, you're experience?
You are not the general public. You by yourself, cannot change what outcome already happened. Shockwave-DASH
I never claimed to be the general public.
the point is, the 20+ games that made me personally interested in the SNES seem to be VERY consistend with what other people's "most impactfull" SNES games are, generally speaking. When the same 20 games seem to always get mentioned you can generally deduct that those were the most widely impactful titles.
General wise more games were explored with Genesis Shockwave-DASH
yes, I already agreed to this point to an extent, though I think you severely underestimate the amount of exploration us SNES owners did.
and in the general public, the top SNES games if you were to ask a SNES owner would be nowhere near the numbers you said before.Shockwave-DASH
exactly what are you basing that absurd statement on?
I bet if you asked a whole bunch of SNES owners (now OR then) what the most impactful games were, they would easily come up with a list of 20 or so titles, and I bet you many of those lists would be VERY similar (zelda:lttp, super metroid, mario world, mario kart, mega man x, castlevania IV, street fighter II, final fantasy II/III etc etc would appear on most lists)
Not even 20 recogonzied hits for the SNES?!?!?! What are you on TC.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games
There is a list of 45 games, with at least 1 million sales. And they account for less than a 1/4th of SNES games sold. ( 86.41 million, out of a total 379.06 million)
taking the remainder of the sales, 292.65 million, and using Japan for games available ( 1700, vs under 800 in US, and under 600 in Europe) and you get over 170,000 sales per game for an average.
To chalk up the majority of sales to a handful of games, is ridiculous.
Sales=/=best. I can't believe you actually used that argument. bad games sold 1 million 2, I guess Bubsy is a good game. Thanks for the flawed argument. I am going by BACK THEN during the machines TIMES with publicly known games voted favorites in MANY MAGS and also currently on review sites and user revies COMBINED, and you only get around maybe 20 id LUCKY. While people actually played a lot more non-mainstream games. READ NON-MAINSTREAM on the Genesis DURING ITS TIME.Not even 20 recogonzied hits for the SNES?!?!?! What are you on TC.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games
There is a list of 45 games, with at least 1 million sales. And they account for less than a 1/4th of SNES games sold. ( 86.41 million, out of a total 379.06 million)
taking the remainder of the sales, 292.65 million, and using Japan for games available ( 1700, vs under 800 in US, and under 600 in Europe) and you get over 170,000 sales per game for an average.
To chalk up the majority of sales to a handful of games, is ridiculous.
SamusFreak
[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] You are not the general public. You by yourself, cannot change what outcome already happened. TheKungFool
I never claimed to be the general public.
the point is, the 20+ games that made me personally interested in the SNES seem to be VERY consistend with what other people's "most impactfull" SNES games are, generally speaking. When the same 20 games seem to always get mentioned you can generally deduct that those were the most widely impactful titles.
General wise more games were explored with Genesis Shockwave-DASH
yes, I already agreed to this point to an extent, though I think you severely underestimate the amount of exploration us SNES owners did.
and in the general public, the top SNES games if you were to ask a SNES owner would be nowhere near the numbers you said before.Shockwave-DASH
exactly what are you basing that absurd statement on?
I bet if you asked a whole bunch of SNES owners (now OR then) what the most impactful games were, they would easily come up with a list of 20 or so titles, and I bet you many of those lists would be VERY similar (zelda:lttp, super metroid, mario world, mario kart, mega man x, castlevania IV, street fighter II, final fantasy II/III etc etc would appear on most lists) 1.Personally is NOT THE POINT OF THE THREAD, using it is irrelevant and just wastes time no one gives a crap. And based on your own logic, the GEN had highly impactual games more than the SNES because more un-mainstream games were played on the GEN. 2.How? I didn't say they explored know games at all, just the gen games were explored much more. 3.Absurd statement? I am talking about during there TIME.You keep looking BACK, and this is why things are getting messed up CHrono Trigger did not hit peoples top lists until AFTER WARD WHEN THE PSX came out, but it was a hit in JAPAN, it became moreof a hit post FF6 anf 7.
[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]Sales=/=best. I can't believe you actually used that argument. bad games sold 1 million 2, I guess Bubsy is a good game. Thanks for the flawed argument. I am going by BACK THEN during the machines TIMES with publicly known games voted favorites in MANY MAGS and also currently on review sites and user revies COMBINED, and you only get around maybe 20 id LUCKY. While people actually played a lot more non-mainstream games. READ NON-MAINSTREAM on the Genesis DURING ITS TIME.Not even 20 recogonzied hits for the SNES?!?!?! What are you on TC.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games
There is a list of 45 games, with at least 1 million sales. And they account for less than a 1/4th of SNES games sold. ( 86.41 million, out of a total 379.06 million)
taking the remainder of the sales, 292.65 million, and using Japan for games available ( 1700, vs under 800 in US, and under 600 in Europe) and you get over 170,000 sales per game for an average.
To chalk up the majority of sales to a handful of games, is ridiculous.
Shockwave-DASH
So, Super Metroid, a highly held game, at the bottom of the list, with only 1 million sold, is a bad game with little praise or talk? Please, at least look at the list, before you continue to go off on a tangent. The entire point, was that your point that few games made up the game sells, is completely false. Which apparently, is beyond your comprehension.
1.Personally is NOT THE POINT OF THE THREAD, using it is irrelevant and just wastes time no one gives a crap. Shockwave-DASH
actually, "personally" IS the point, because each person's experiences is what makes up the "consensus".
and my point is that my personal top 20 seems to be very consistent with the "general public's" consensus top 20 or so.
its really a shame you can't understand the connection there.
2.How? I didn't say they explored know games at all, just the gen games were explored much more. Shockwave-DASH
right, thats just a random and un-supported statement on your part. you have yet to offer any sort of empirical or statistical data to support that, other than merely suggesting it may have been a trend to SOME people.
3. I am talking about during there TIME. Shockwave-DASH
so am I.
You keep looking BACK Shockwave-DASH
no, I don't.
CHrono Trigger did not hit peoples top lists until AFTER WARD WHEN THE PSX came out, but it was a hit in JAPAN, it became moreof a hit post FF6 anf 7.Shockwave-DASH
as someone who had an SNES BECAUSE OF ITS RPG LINEUP, and had many friends with similar interests in rpgs, I can assure you, us rpg fans had Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy II & III, Mario RPG and such on our top lists THEN, not just after the fact.
has anyone else noticed this shockwave guy just trolls on nintendo systemsluckykoopsie
I've only been a regualr lerky on Legacy for about a week and a half, and I've learned real quick that he is not only the biggest Sega butthurt sega fanboy here, but also the biggest troll. I thought those types kept to System wars and OT, I was wrong >_>
Shock Wave, I had just turned 7 when I got my SNES, the revision model in 97, I didn't know what video games were before hand, in years that have past since I have become a big gamer, I loved it then, but it wasn't like it is now, it was new, we bought a lot of games, more than 30 in the course of 2 1/2 - 3 years. Give me your list, of what you think were the only games that the general public sought after/bought. and I'll tell you what games I, at the time who was the general public, ended up with.
has anyone else noticed this shockwave guy just trolls on nintendo systemsluckykoopsieIs that why said the GC is better than the PS2, Prefer the SNES, and only really think the N64 controller is bad with lack of variety? (Which you could say the second part is actually not an opinion.) Heck, I have more Wii games in my collection than PS3 games, go to my profiel and suck rocks.
Sales=/=best. I can't believe you actually used that argument. bad games sold 1 million 2, I guess Bubsy is a good game. Thanks for the flawed argument. I am going by BACK THEN during the machines TIMES with publicly known games voted favorites in MANY MAGS and also currently on review sites and user revies COMBINED, and you only get around maybe 20 id LUCKY. While people actually played a lot more non-mainstream games. READ NON-MAINSTREAM on the Genesis DURING ITS TIME.[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="SamusFreak"]
Not even 20 recogonzied hits for the SNES?!?!?! What are you on TC.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games
There is a list of 45 games, with at least 1 million sales. And they account for less than a 1/4th of SNES games sold. ( 86.41 million, out of a total 379.06 million)
taking the remainder of the sales, 292.65 million, and using Japan for games available ( 1700, vs under 800 in US, and under 600 in Europe) and you get over 170,000 sales per game for an average.
To chalk up the majority of sales to a handful of games, is ridiculous.
SamusFreak
So, Super Metroid, a highly held game, at the bottom of the list, with only 1 million sold, is a bad game with little praise or talk? Please, at least look at the list, before you continue to go off on a tangent. The entire point, was that your point that few games made up the game sells, is completely false. Which apparently, is beyond your comprehension.
Using your terible logic. Bubsy sold more than Super Metroid, must be one of the best game of all time. What's that? You take that back? oh.[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] 1.Personally is NOT THE POINT OF THE THREAD, using it is irrelevant and just wastes time no one gives a crap. TheKungFool
actually, "personally" IS the point, because each person's experiences is what makes up the "consensus".
and my point is that my personal top 20 seems to be very consistent with the "general public's" consensus top 20 or so.
its really a shame you can't understand the connection there.
2.How? I didn't say they explored know games at all, just the gen games were explored much more. Shockwave-DASH
right, thats just a random and un-supported statement on your part. you have yet to offer any sort of empirical or statistical data to support that, other than merely suggesting it may have been a trend to SOME people.
3. I am talking about during there TIME. Shockwave-DASH
so am I.
You keep looking BACK Shockwave-DASH
no, I don't.
CHrono Trigger did not hit peoples top lists until AFTER WARD WHEN THE PSX came out, but it was a hit in JAPAN, it became moreof a hit post FF6 anf 7.Shockwave-DASH
as someone who had an SNES BECAUSE OF ITS RPG LINEUP, and had many friends with similar interests in rpgs, I can assure you, us rpg fans had Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy II & III, Mario RPG and such on our top lists THEN, not just after the fact. rpgs fans you know=/world. By itself without FF6 and 7 and those sales at those times didn not exist barely anyone would have cared about it as much as some of Enixes old games. Stop using PERSONALITy.
[QUOTE="luckykoopsie"] has anyone else noticed this shockwave guy just trolls on nintendo systemsSamusFreak
I've only been a regualr lerky on Legacy for about a week and a half, and I've learned real quick that he is not only the biggest Sega butthurt sega fanboy here, but also the biggest troll. I thought those types kept to System wars and OT, I was wrong >_>
Lol, you been here a week and I have not talked about a Sega console one time at all. Anybody that is on legacy that's not you stupid guy you wuoted or kunf fool, or who actually looks at my profile knows: I like the GC more than PS2. Prefer the SNES. Have more Wii games this gen then any other system. LIke the GBA as a whole except rpgs. Period, you are trolling and making crap up. I have no ever mentioned a Sega system until recently. Especialy in the week and a half you claim. Butthurt are you?[QUOTE="SamusFreak"][QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Sales=/=best. I can't believe you actually used that argument. bad games sold 1 million 2, I guess Bubsy is a good game. Thanks for the flawed argument. I am going by BACK THEN during the machines TIMES with publicly known games voted favorites in MANY MAGS and also currently on review sites and user revies COMBINED, and you only get around maybe 20 id LUCKY. While people actually played a lot more non-mainstream games. READ NON-MAINSTREAM on the Genesis DURING ITS TIME.Shockwave-DASH
So, Super Metroid, a highly held game, at the bottom of the list, with only 1 million sold, is a bad game with little praise or talk? Please, at least look at the list, before you continue to go off on a tangent. The entire point, was that your point that few games made up the game sells, is completely false. Which apparently, is beyond your comprehension.
Using your terible logic. Bubsy sold more than Super Metroid, must be one of the best game of all time. What's that? You take that back? oh.Never said sale quanitiy was an indication of quality. You said, that people cared about few games, not even enough to make a top 20 list. the fact that the top list is 45 strong, and a small fraction of game sales, says that people paid attention to far more than a handfull. There are ALWAYS that top 5, or top 10 that stand out above the rest, but there is also always a top 25, and top 50 that stand out above the hundreds, if not thousands available to choose from.
You are one pieces of the genral public in the minority, you have no idea how consensu works do you? The general public liked different games then you, you are in a minority area, if your area was dominant then more games would have sold more withut large gaps, and there would have been more than 18 or so highly rated and remembered main stream games, AT THE TIME.Shock Wave, I had just turned 7 when I got my SNES, the revision model in 97, I didn't know what video games were before hand, in years that have past since I have become a big gamer, I loved it then, but it wasn't like it is now, it was new, we bought a lot of games, more than 30 in the course of 2 1/2 - 3 years. Give me your list, of what you think were the only games that the general public sought after/bought. and I'll tell you what games I, at the time who was the general public, ended up with.
SamusFreak
Using your terible logic. Bubsy sold more than Super Metroid, must be one of the best game of all time. What's that? You take that back? oh.[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="SamusFreak"]
So, Super Metroid, a highly held game, at the bottom of the list, with only 1 million sold, is a bad game with little praise or talk? Please, at least look at the list, before you continue to go off on a tangent. The entire point, was that your point that few games made up the game sells, is completely false. Which apparently, is beyond your comprehension.
SamusFreak
Never said sale quanitiy was an indication of quality. You said, that people cared about few games, not even enough to make a top 20 list. the fact that the top list is 45 strong, and a small fraction of game sales, says that people paid attention to far more than a handfull. There are ALWAYS that top 5, or top 10 that stand out above the rest, but there is also always a top 25, and top 50 that stand out above the hundreds, if not thousands available to choose from.
The general consensus dduring the time, even mags asking readers opinion, usually had almost the same exact lists, with some changes, and those were usually changes in the same series anyway, like from final fight 1 being replaced by 3. Thank god for that.From your last two posts here, you seem dead set you know exactly what handful of games the general public liked. So why is so hard to name them?
rpgs fans you know=/world. Stop using PERSONALITy.Shockwave-DASH
you're right. me and all my friends who liked rpgs and had snes felt that "Chrono Trigger", "Secret of Mana", "Final Fantasy IV", "Final Fatnasy VI", and "Mario RPG" were the best rpgs on the SNES.....but we were probably just stupid, and our opinions were insane......
so please, enlighten me, which snes rpgs did "the world" like better than those?
CHrono Trigger did not hit peoples top lists until AFTER WHEN THE PSX came out, it became moreof a hit post FF6 and 7Shockwave-DASH
:lol: of course Chrono Trigger became more of a hit "post" FF6, it came out after FF6.
and you're claiming that "Chrono Trigger" was not on people's top snes games/rpg lists before the Sony PlayStation? thats an interesting claim....
....any chance you can provide us with "top snes rpg/game lists" prior to the PSX that have Chrono Trigger missing from them?
Because you can look them up since you claimed I was wrong. The burden goes to the claimer not the accused.From your last two posts here, you seem dead set you know exactly what handful of games the general public liked. So why is so hard to name them?
SamusFreak
[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]Because you can look them up since you claimed I was wrong. The burden goes to the claimer not the accused.From your last two posts here, you seem dead set you know exactly what handful of games the general public liked. So why is so hard to name them?
Shockwave-DASH
lol, no. The person making the claim does. You say, that people paid attention, and went after only a handful of titles. I have given overwhelming proof that, that is false. You seem to think that 5-10 games, are all that SNES owners went after, despite that it's no where close to that, hell, even the best selling, and probably most popular game on the system, Super Mario World, was/is owned by less than half of all SNES owners, and it's a bloody pack-in to boot. The point you tried to make after I brought this up has nothing to do with your original statement. Sales do NOT make a good game, but sales, that have been provided, show that many games were gone after, and the big ones, make up a small majority of games sold( that's not even counting rentals, which was a much, much bigger thing in their life times,)
You haven't shown anything to begin with that prooves that most games were discarded, others have said different, I've given some stats and some numbers. So it's time for some evidence to the contray.
Because you can look them up since you claimed I was wrong. The burden goes to the claimer not the accused.[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="SamusFreak"]
From your last two posts here, you seem dead set you know exactly what handful of games the general public liked. So why is so hard to name them?
SamusFreak
lol, no. The person making the claim does. You say, that people paid attention, and went after only a handful of titles. I have given overwhelming proof that, that is false. You seem to think that 5-10 games, are all that SNES owners went after, despite that it's no where close to that, hell, even the best selling, and probably most popular game on the system, Super Mario World, was/is owned by less than half of all SNES owners, and it's a bloody pack-in to boot. The point you tried to make after I brought this up has nothing to do with your original statement. Sales do NOT make a good game, but sales, that have been provided, show that many games were gone after, and the big ones, make up a small majority of games sold( that's not even counting rentals, which was a much, much bigger thing in their life times,)
You haven't shown anything to begin with that prooves that most games were discarded, others have said different, I've given some stats and some numbers. So it's time for some evidence to the contray.
But I didn't name the titles so I didn't make a full claim, you fully claimed I was wrong. I also never said 5-10 games, why would you lie unless it had no games? Sales have nothing to do with top rated games stop using that, it's where your argument goes down in flames, I already mentione bubsy argue without sales. I never brought it up as a point once. Bubsy was gone after but no one had it on the list so sales don;t show ANYTHING AT ALL.wait wait wait wait, is your arguement, that not the general gaming community, but the general public, as in like the entire world, cares about a handful?
If that's the case, then it has never, is not today ,and never will change. That's a really, really stupid point to go on. And has absolutely nothing to do, with the original point, that Genesis OWNERS, explore games more. No one gives a **** nor does it matter in any way, what non gamers think about the gaming community.
[QUOTE="SamusFreak"][QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] Because you can look them up since you claimed I was wrong. The burden goes to the claimer not the accused.Shockwave-DASH
lol, no. The person making the claim does. You say, that people paid attention, and went after only a handful of titles. I have given overwhelming proof that, that is false. You seem to think that 5-10 games, are all that SNES owners went after, despite that it's no where close to that, hell, even the best selling, and probably most popular game on the system, Super Mario World, was/is owned by less than half of all SNES owners, and it's a bloody pack-in to boot. The point you tried to make after I brought this up has nothing to do with your original statement. Sales do NOT make a good game, but sales, that have been provided, show that many games were gone after, and the big ones, make up a small majority of games sold( that's not even counting rentals, which was a much, much bigger thing in their life times,)
You haven't shown anything to begin with that prooves that most games were discarded, others have said different, I've given some stats and some numbers. So it's time for some evidence to the contray.
But I didn't name the titles so I didn't make a full claim, you fully claimed I was wrong. I also never said 5-10 games, why would you lie unless it had no games? Sales have nothing to do with top rated games stop using that, it's where your argument goes down in flames, I already mentione bubsy argue without sales. I never brought it up as a point once. Bubsy was gone after but no one had it on the list so sales don;t show ANYTHING AT ALL.I've told you several times to look at the list I posted, almost all of the high RANKED, ACCLAIMED, and MUST HAVE games, are on it. Yet they make up a small fraction of software sold. how is Software sold relevent? It shows what people are buying, and playing. So if those games are up there, and yet there are so many many more games sold, then what on earth are people playing, if they are buying games that nobody cares for( and they make up the vast majority of game sales to boot) Are they really just burning the money, and sticking with the big names?
But I didn't name the titles so I didn't make a full claim, you fully claimed I was wrong. I also never said 5-10 games, why would you lie unless it had no games? Sales have nothing to do with top rated games stop using that, it's where your argument goes down in flames, I already mentione bubsy argue without sales. I never brought it up as a point once. Bubsy was gone after but no one had it on the list so sales don;t show ANYTHING AT ALL.[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="SamusFreak"]
lol, no. The person making the claim does. You say, that people paid attention, and went after only a handful of titles. I have given overwhelming proof that, that is false. You seem to think that 5-10 games, are all that SNES owners went after, despite that it's no where close to that, hell, even the best selling, and probably most popular game on the system, Super Mario World, was/is owned by less than half of all SNES owners, and it's a bloody pack-in to boot. The point you tried to make after I brought this up has nothing to do with your original statement. Sales do NOT make a good game, but sales, that have been provided, show that many games were gone after, and the big ones, make up a small majority of games sold( that's not even counting rentals, which was a much, much bigger thing in their life times,)
You haven't shown anything to begin with that prooves that most games were discarded, others have said different, I've given some stats and some numbers. So it's time for some evidence to the contray.
SamusFreak
I've told you several times to look at the list I posted, almost all of the high RANKED, ACCLAIMED, and MUST HAVE games, are on it. Yet they make up a small fraction of software sold. how is Software sold relevent? It shows what people are buying, and playing. So if those games are up there, and yet there are so many many more games sold, then what on earth are people playing, if they are buying games that nobody cares for( and they make up the vast majority of game sales to boot) Are they really just burning the money, and sticking with the big names?
The list you made was based on current looking back now form that time forward, some of those were not on lists back then. Also the post above this one I am quoting fomr you that WAS THE ORIGINAL point.[QUOTE="SamusFreak"][QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"] But I didn't name the titles so I didn't make a full claim, you fully claimed I was wrong. I also never said 5-10 games, why would you lie unless it had no games? Sales have nothing to do with top rated games stop using that, it's where your argument goes down in flames, I already mentione bubsy argue without sales. I never brought it up as a point once. Bubsy was gone after but no one had it on the list so sales don;t show ANYTHING AT ALL.Shockwave-DASH
I've told you several times to look at the list I posted, almost all of the high RANKED, ACCLAIMED, and MUST HAVE games, are on it. Yet they make up a small fraction of software sold. how is Software sold relevent? It shows what people are buying, and playing. So if those games are up there, and yet there are so many many more games sold, then what on earth are people playing, if they are buying games that nobody cares for( and they make up the vast majority of game sales to boot) Are they really just burning the money, and sticking with the big names?
The list you made was based on current looking back now form that time forward, some of those were not on lists back then. Also the post above this one I am quoting fomr you that WAS THE ORIGINAL point.Sooo, we're opperating under the impression that a significant change in these figures happened after the consoles life span? I just don't see how it's so hard, to see that nearly 80%, nearly a full 4/5ths of all games bought, are not big games, must haves, system sellers, etc. But on the rest of the library. Sure doesn't look like the systems library was largely left untouched for the popular stuff.
The list you made was based on current looking back now form that time forward, some of those were not on lists back then. Also the post above this one I am quoting fomr you that WAS THE ORIGINAL point.[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="SamusFreak"]
I've told you several times to look at the list I posted, almost all of the high RANKED, ACCLAIMED, and MUST HAVE games, are on it. Yet they make up a small fraction of software sold. how is Software sold relevent? It shows what people are buying, and playing. So if those games are up there, and yet there are so many many more games sold, then what on earth are people playing, if they are buying games that nobody cares for( and they make up the vast majority of game sales to boot) Are they really just burning the money, and sticking with the big names?
SamusFreak
Sooo, we're opperating under the impression that a significant change in these figures happened after the consoles life span? I just don't see how it's so hard, to see that nearly 80%, nearly a full 4/5ths of all games bought, are not big games, must haves, system sellers, etc. But on the rest of the library. Sure doesn't look like the systems library was largely left untouched for the popular stuff.
So your saying Bubsy is a must have? THat was a big game? THat's a must have? Only popular games or such with few excpetions got touched, on the genesis side there was a near equal number of popular games and tons of unpopular games that did well.Lots of People like exclsuives on the PS3, but the genral public for a lot of them DON'T which is why they failed in sales. Just because for example, you like a game like say, HAZE does not mean that everyone else would, you're in the minority. Shockwave-DASH
*facepalm* now you're just not making ANY sense.
what do PS3 exclusives have to do with exploring games on Genesis/SNES?
Chrono trigger would not have been on many people top lists at all during that time, especially if anyone was collecting votes from large groups Shockwave-DASH
you're confusing two different things there.
1) rpgs weren't/aren't the most widely popular genre, so obviously large groups (which would contain presumably more action/platform/sports/racing etc gamers) might not always know about the best game in a genre they don't play
2) as far as people who did know about snes rpgs, BOTH THEN AND NOW, Chrono Trigger is almost always a top game
and to be honest I think everyhting you said was BS. You never owned Chrono Trigger did you?Shockwave-DASH
nope. you got me.
never owned Final Fantasy II or Secret of Mana either.
In fact, I hate rpgs. I just pretend to like them because its trendy.
Wait, come to think of it, I never even owned an SNES.
my favorite system was the 3DO because it just had better games than SNES, Saturn and PSX combined.
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